I read in last weeks EW some information in a preview of the San Diego Comic Con that has me pretty excited.
Marvel "Now!" is Marvel comics answer to the DC "New 52" reboot, and the preview I read featured a couple new titles. The coolest is "All New X-Men," that tells the ongoing story of the five original X-Men as teenagers (Cyclops, Beast, Angel, Marvel Girl, and Iceman) after they time travel to present day. I think it could be a super interesting way to reinvent some of the most interesting mutants in the Marvel Universe, especially after some of the irredeemable acts that Scott Summers has perpetrated in the "A vs. X" series currently finishing up.
Very intersted to see what other plans Marvel comics has for rebooting their flagship series. I hope they fix the Hulk soon, that comic is a huge mess.
A vs X has been very interesting, and I'm looking forward to the new titles...but DC used to follow Marvel's lead, not the other way around. Not that Marvel's continuity hasn't become very, very cumbersome.
It's crazy what this series has done to Cyclops, the Boy Scout of all time.
I haven't read up on this enough, but I don't look at this as a reboot. I'm also unsure if by bringing those original X-Men to the present if that means the current X-Men core (Scott, Beast, Angel, etc...) will just vanish or if the old versions and new versions will both be around. I'd like to see the young, idealist Scott Summers deal with the hardened current Scott. Anyway, it will be interesting to see how this all works out.
Quote from: Jobydrone on July 13, 2012, 07:56:41 AM
I read in last weeks EW some information in a preview of the San Diego Comic Con that has me pretty excited.
Marvel "Now!" is Marvel comics answer to the DC "New 52" reboot, and the preview I read featured a couple new titles. The coolest is "All New X-Men," that tells the ongoing story of the five original X-Men as teenagers (Cyclops, Beast, Angel, Marvel Girl, and Iceman) after they time travel to present day. I think it could be a super interesting way to reinvent some of the most interesting mutants in the Marvel Universe, especially after some of the irredeemable acts that Scott Summers has perpetrated in the "A vs. X" series currently finishing up.
Very intersted to see what other plans Marvel comics has for rebooting their flagship series. I hope they fix the Hulk soon, that comic is a huge mess.
I wanted to get into the new Hulk comic when it came out but it just didn't sound good to me so I skipped it. I am interested in seeing what they do with the new series there are bringing out. I also never got into the A vs X series because It didn't fit in my comics budget. Wish I could have got into it.
Well I dropped The Avengers and Captain America from Marvel and I plan on picking up Fantastic Four of the Marvel Now!
I dropped Avengers because its going to twice a month and I have to stay in my self (wife's) imposed budget. And as far as Captain America goes I just don't like the looks of the book. Story may be fine but Cap looks to different to me. Not the uniform just his looks.
I did want to get into some of the Marvel Now! and one was Captain America until I saw a preview and I want to check out the Fantastic Four book. It's only going to be a $2.99 book also.
Are any of you planning on getting some of the Marvel Now! books?
Since some of the classic books I read have now ended due to this "Now" thing, I'll have to start getting the new Now stuff. At least see what they do with the X-Men and Fantastic Four. I follow those the most.
They need to end about 90% of those Xmen books. There seems to be no continuity and I can't figure out what the heck is going on. I am though quite interested to see what they do with the time traveling young Xmen in present day. I imagine they'll be as confused as I am.
The only Marvel Now I picked up so far was Fantastic Four. Going to read it tonight. I don't think I'll be getting any other Marvel Now books.
I picked up the "All New X-Men" #1 and "Fantastic Four" #1 today. Also I have read the new "Uncanny Avengers" too.
So far the only new book I really enjoyed was All New X Men. Great story, awesome premise. I think Marvel knows this is the book that is going to really do well, they waited longest to debut the title and really built up anticipation.
Quote from: Jobydrone on November 18, 2012, 07:50:36 PM
So far the only new book I really enjoyed was All New X Men. Great story, awesome premise. I think Marvel knows this is the book that is going to really do well, they waited longest to debut the title and really built up anticipation.
Still need to read my copy. But Marvel didn't wait longest by any means on this Now book. The Marvel Now releases will be trickling out for months to come still. They are not doing it like DC did with a massive, multi-title launch. Still to come are some big hitters like a new Spider-Man book, new Hulk, new Wolverine, etc.
Quote from: Rico on November 19, 2012, 05:03:21 AM
Quote from: Jobydrone on November 18, 2012, 07:50:36 PM
So far the only new book I really enjoyed was All New X Men. Great story, awesome premise. I think Marvel knows this is the book that is going to really do well, they waited longest to debut the title and really built up anticipation.
Still need to read my copy. But Marvel didn't wait longest by any means on this Now book. The Marvel Now releases will be trickling out for months to come still. They are not doing it like DC did with a massive, multi-title launch. Still to come are some big hitters like a new Spider-Man book, new Hulk, new Wolverine, etc.
I thought it was the last of the new original titles.
Quote from: Jobydrone on November 19, 2012, 06:53:20 AM
Quote from: Rico on November 19, 2012, 05:03:21 AM
Quote from: Jobydrone on November 18, 2012, 07:50:36 PM
So far the only new book I really enjoyed was All New X Men. Great story, awesome premise. I think Marvel knows this is the book that is going to really do well, they waited longest to debut the title and really built up anticipation.
Still need to read my copy. But Marvel didn't wait longest by any means on this Now book. The Marvel Now releases will be trickling out for months to come still. They are not doing it like DC did with a massive, multi-title launch. Still to come are some big hitters like a new Spider-Man book, new Hulk, new Wolverine, etc.
I thought it was the last of the new original titles.
Not by a long shot. Still to come:
AVENGERS (December 5, 2012)
THUNDERBOLTS (December 5, 2012)
CABLE AND X-FORCE (December 12, 2012)
AVENGERS ARENA (December 12, 2012)
MORBIUS THE LIVING VAMPIRE (January 2, 2013)
SUPERIOR SPIDER-MAN (January 9, 2013)
SAVAGE WOLVERINE (January 16, 2013)
YOUNG AVENGERS (January 23, 2013)
Even more here:
http://www.comicvine.com/news/marvel-now-checklistwhat-you-have-to-look-forward-to/145415/ (http://www.comicvine.com/news/marvel-now-checklistwhat-you-have-to-look-forward-to/145415/)
Read Fantastic Four and All New X-Men. Pretty good.
The new Deadpool series is pretty interesting too. :)
Is anybody up to date on Spider-Man? I guess he's going into Marvel NOW after issue 700 as Otto Octavius in Superior Spider-Man # 1. I haven't read a Spider title consistently since Brand New Day ( I hate reset buttons)but this seems pretty bizarre.
http://www.cnn.com/2012/12/26/showbiz/celebrity-news-gossip/spidey-700-controversy/?hpt=en_c1 (http://www.cnn.com/2012/12/26/showbiz/celebrity-news-gossip/spidey-700-controversy/?hpt=en_c1)
I haven't read issue #700 yet, but I have a feeling I'm not going to be happy about all this.
Me too. I have never been a fan whenever they try to majorly shake up Spidey. He's one of Marvel's "pure" characters like Superman to me. I liked his progression to an adult until they rebooted him. It sure reeks of controversy to sell books to me.
700 is an odd bird. It's both interesting and really really dumb.
If the comic shop still has one this weekend I may go ahead and buy it just because it's #700 and the last one. I have been reading Spiderman graphic novels, from the library, and I'm up to 'One More Day'. I started with 'Amazing Spiderman Vol. 1 Coming Home'. I will go ahead and read #700 though if I get one.
I picked up #700 this morning. Pretty major change in the status quo. In fact, the change is so big, I feel pretty certain it will be reversed at some point in the future.
Amazing Spider-Man is to Marvel what Superman is to DC. Both companies have shaken things up with their A-List characters in the past, and they've always gone back to the way things were (more or less). I think Superior Spider-Man will run for maybe 2 or 3 story arcs before it ends and is replaced with the return of Amazing Spider-Man, with a brand new seven-hundred and FIRST ISSUE promoted as a good "jumping-on" point for new readers.
[spoiler] So; Peter Parker is dead, and Doctor Doom has a change of heart and becomes the new Spider-Man? If this doesn't get reversed before the end of the year, I'll be very surprised. [/spoiler]
Got #700. Read it - didn't like it. Marvel has jumped the shark with Spidey as far as I'm concerned. And he has always been my favorite comic book character. Fix this Marvel - Now!
LOL They didn't just jump the shark, Rico. They jumped the OCEAN. :D :P
Yeah, I picked it up today. Pretty bad, almost like fan fiction. This is the best they came up with to launch their flagship character into Marvel NOW? I think they're drunk with the success of their movies over there.
There is a real obvious way to fix this...
[spoiler]Somehow Peter Parker's memories are still all in his body. So I see some type of Doc Strange intervention to put Peter back in control of his body. Maybe when Doc Ock's body died Peter's soul or spirit returned to his original body too. All I can say is, they better fix this fast! I have no interest in seeing Doc Ock makeout with Mary Jane. Yuck![/spoiler]
[spoiler] Yeah, there are a ton of ways this can easily be fixed, and I'm sure it will be. It's just a question of when. I wonder how many Spider-Man fans are going to stick with this new series? Will it attract new fans? I've never been a hard-core Spider-Man reader myself. My main exposure to him over the years has been through his inclusion in cross-over stories and "Event" stories. I plan on checking out the first issue of Superior to see if Slott has some incredible story lined up to justify the change, but if it doesn't knock my socks off, I'm dropping it. [/spoiler]
[spoiler] I'm going to go out on a limb and say that what we see isn't what we get. Otto transferred his mind to Peter's body, not his soul. What we saw was Otto thinking he was Peter dying and Peter thinking he was Otto living. He has all of Peter and Otto's memories, but thinks that he's Otto. Even now, his instincts are showing up as Peter's instincts and he's doing things Peter would do without knowing it.
At some point the brainwashing will wear off and Peter will revert. Otherwise, this story is pretty dumb. Marvel has established that souls exist yet ignored all of that for this story.[/spoiler]
So dumb. This particular title has been in the toilet for years now. I've much prefered Spidey as portrayed in the various Avengers titles than in his own flagship series. I've no doubt that this "reboot" or whatever they're calling it won't last, just as I'm sure that this is a marketing ploy to try to draw readers into comic shops again since they must be hurting at this time of year, with no major movies coming out for a while. Honestly I dropped this title quite a while ago but have been keping tabs hoping it'll improve but all signs point to "no chance".
Quote from: X on December 27, 2012, 10:21:10 AM
[spoiler] I'm going to go out on a limb and say that what we see isn't what we get. Otto transferred his mind to Peter's body, not his soul. What we saw was Otto thinking he was Peter dying and Peter thinking he was Otto living. He has all of Peter and Otto's memories, but thinks that he's Otto. Even now, his instincts are showing up as Peter's instincts and he's doing things Peter would do without knowing it.
At some point the brainwashing will wear off and Peter will revert. Otherwise, this story is pretty dumb. Marvel has established that souls exist yet ignored all of that for this story.[/spoiler]
That makes perfect sense. In fact, I'm convinced that's how this whole thing will play out.
Quote from: Jobydrone on December 27, 2012, 12:15:34 PM
So dumb. This particular title has been in the toilet for years now. I've much prefered Spidey as portrayed in the various Avengers titles than in his own flagship series. I've no doubt that this "reboot" or whatever they're calling it won't last, just as I'm sure that this is a marketing ploy to try to draw readers into comic shops again since they must be hurting at this time of year, with no major movies coming out for a while. Honestly I dropped this title quite a while ago but have been keping tabs hoping it'll improve but all signs point to "no chance".
It'll turn around. Who knows; "Superior Spider-Man" might turn out to be an interesting experiment. But even if it's well received, I'm certain the name-change will be dropped eventually.
I'm a big fan of the X-Men, and have been following the title "Uncanny X-Men" since the late 70's. Marvel announced the cancellation of the series with Marvel: Now, and they did. It turns out, the 'cancellation' is only temporary- the title will re-start later in January. Same thing will happen with Amazing Spider-Man. And Indestructible Hulk.
As long as there is a Marvel, Four titles will keep on keepin' on: Uncanny X-Men, Amazing Spider-Man, and Fantastic Four, and The Incredible Hulk.
Aren't we all a bit tired of these events that are supposed to be far-reaching and shocking that get reset? Remember when Peter revealed his identity? Would have been interesting to see that play out a bit more and instead we got Brand New Day, to reset everything. Same will happen here.
Quote from: Chris-El on December 27, 2012, 02:43:06 PM
Aren't we all a bit tired of these events that are supposed to be far-reaching and shocking that get reset? Remember when Peter revealed his identity? Would have been interesting to see that play out a bit more and instead we got Brand New Day, to reset everything. Same will happen here.
I agree; most big events eventually get negated. Right now, I'm looking forward to this happening with Spider-Man. But overall, I'm actually pleased with AvX and what's happening with Marvel: NOW. The shake-up has done great things for the X-Men & Avengers books. All-New X-Men has been phenomenal. Uncanny Avengers and the new iteration of the adjectiveless Avengers title have been very strong books. Seriously; the last couple of months have had some of the best stuff I've seen in years. :)
I don't understand the way these X books all connect though...Uncanny X men, All New X men, Wolverine and the X men, and X Force are all in the same universe, right? What about X Men Legacy, Wolverine, and X-Men? They seem to be detached from the current continuity. I just don't get it.
Quote from: Jobydrone on December 27, 2012, 04:39:00 PM
I don't understand the way these X books all connect though...Uncanny X men, All New X men, Wolverine and the X men, and X Force are all in the same universe, right? What about X Men Legacy, Wolverine, and X-Men? They seem to be detached from the current continuity. I just don't get it.
Oh boy; I hope I can keep myself from running off at the mouth abut this. I'm kind of an X-Men FREAK. I'm going to make some generalizations and skip some bits, otherwise this post could fill a book. ;D
The short version: Each different X-Series follows a different team of mutants, and they all coexist and operate in the same Marvel universe.
Long Version:
Way back in the 60's, Marvel introduced The X-Men, a comic about a group of five teenaged kids born with a mutation that gave each of them unique, superhuman abilities. Professer Charles Xavier took them under his wing to teach them to control and use their abilities to help a world that feared and hated them for being different.
(http://i1196.photobucket.com/albums/aa411/threeAradio/X-Men_Vol_1_1_zpsf1f242fc.jpg)
original team: Angel, Beast, Cyclops, Marvel Girl (Jean Grey), and Iceman.
This series had pretty lackluster sales, until a writer named Chris Claremont took the reigns. He did one of marvels first re-boots to boost interest in the series. First, he took all of the original characters out of the picture by having them captured by a living, sentient island. Xavier selects a team of NEW mutants and forms a new X-Men team to go and rescue the original 5.
The original 5 characters mostly fade into the background, appearing every now and then while the new team takes center stage. Cyclops, the leader of the original team, sticks around to lead the new team. The title changes from X-Men to Uncanny X-Men.
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New team: Nightcrawler, Thunderbird, Colossus, Storm, Cyclops, Wolverine
Uncanny X-Men becomes THE X-MEN book for a while, but Marvel hates to waste characters. Eventually, Cyclops is replaced by Storm as leader of the team, and he goes off to form another team, called X-Factor. This team gets its own book, and is made up of the original characters- Cyclops, Iceman, Angel, Beast, and a resurrected Jean Grey (don't ask).
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in the 80's, Xavier starts training yet another group of young mutant kids, and we have another book: The New Mutants.
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Years later, members of this team are recruited by another mutant named Cable to form a sort of para-military, mutant-powered strike-force called X-Force. Another team, another series.
(http://i1196.photobucket.com/albums/aa411/threeAradio/X-Force_1_1991_zpsd2df6d09.jpg)
Throughout the history of the X-Men, characters have died and new characters have been introduced. Some of the characters turn out to be popular with readers, so the ranks of X-Men have been slowly growing over the years. If all headlining X-Men characters were in just one series, you'd have a team book featuring around 100 different characters. Rather than try to do this, Marvel has broken up the X-Men into different groups. Some fans follow the teams they like, others follow the writers they like, regardless of which team book they're working on.
Until recently, we had X-Men, Uncanny X-Men, Astonishing X-Men, X-Factor, Uncanny X-Force, X-Men: Legacy, and Wolverine And The X-Men. Each book has its own unique team of characters and its own unique "mission statement". X-Factor was a detective agency, X-Force was a strike team, Wolverine And The X-Men has become a book about a school founded by Wolverine to teach new mutants, Uncanny X-Men was a book about Team Cyclops, Legacy was a team led by Rogue...
With Marvel: Now, some of those books have been temporarily cancelled, some permanently cancelled, and others continue, but now focus on different characters. There are two "Main" books now: Wolverine And The X-Men, which focuses on Wolverine and other former X-Men who are now teaching the next generation of mutants, and All-New X-Men, which focuses on the time-displaced Original Five as they face-off against the now Outlawed Team-Cyclops.
Some "peripheral" books: Legacy now focuses on Xavier's crazy son. Uncanny Avengers focuses on a special team led by Cyclops' brother Havok, and is composed of both X-Men and Avengers characters. Astonishing X-Men now focuses on Northstar and company. X-Factor deals with former New Mutant Wolfsbane and a number of other mutants who run a detective agency. Cable and X-Force focuses on Cable and one team of mutants, while Uncanny X-Force focuses on Storm and a different team. And Team Cyclops will get its own book as well, when Uncanny X-Men relaunches next month.
Or for a shorter answer. X-men is a descriptive brand. It's applies to the mutant side of the marvel universe and is labeled for convience as there was a different current in the marvel universe when it looked in on mutants.
There are dozens of people that follow or followed the dreams of Charles. While they might not see eye to eye, they are each descendant from his legacy.
And to be clear, you are right Astonishing X-Men is in another universe ... or several. It seems that the Astonishing X-Men have inherited the legacy of the Exiles.
Speaking of other universes, I forgot about Age Of Apocalypse and X-Treme X-Men. And Ultimate Comics: X-Men. Damn, there are a lot of X-Books.
Quote from: wraith1701 on December 27, 2012, 07:52:14 PM
Speaking of other universes, I forgot about Age Of Apocalypse and X-Treme X-Men. And Ultimate Comics: X-Men. Damn, there are a lot of X-Books.
Thanks for the great detailed response guys! I should have been more specific that I'm extremely well versed with the 60's - 80's when things were a little simpler. I stoped reading comics with any regularity in the late 80s through all of the 90s until I got back in during the mid to late 2000s, so I missed a lot (not a lot that was very good I've been led to understand but a lot of content anyway). I'm just not clear on how the current Wolverine book seems to be following a completely different story than Wolverine & the X-men, they seem to be happening concurrently but with no connection to each other. Same with the books "Uncanny X-Men" and "X-Men." And there's a book where Dazzler (I love Dazzler, sue me. She was in the best X-Men video game ever made in the 80s) is zipping through universes with an alternate Wolverine, a pre-teen Nightcrawler and the disembodied head of Charles Xavier that seems really cool, kind of like Sliders meets the X-men. And there's a book that's been following Rogue on another planet, but not the Rogue I'm familiar with? I guess I have to actually read them to truly understand, and not just flip through them at the book/comic store.
I'm a Dazzler fan too, Joby. I have all of her original series and just recently was looking for more books that feature her. I think I saw where she is in the New Excalibur series from a few years back.
I really miss those X-Books from the 80's, when it was X-Men, New Mutants, X-Factor and Excalibur. Just seems very chaotic nowadays with those books. I have no evidence to back that up other than there are like 30 of them. Great crossovers back then, Fall of the Mutants, Inferno, the old X-Men vs Avengers. Guess I'm getting old and set in my ways.
I'm with you there Chris, which is why I love All New Xmen so far...to me it reminds me of the good old days.
All-New X-Men is one of my two current favorite comics. The book is freaking INCREDIBLE. The introduction of the young team from the past does two things for me: It hits the right nostalgia chord to see the relatively innocent and idealistic versions of the present-day characters, and it's a gold-mine of character exploration and development possibilities... We get some cool insight into Scott & where he's going, and we have the chance to see some great dissection and development of Bobby, Warren, and Hank. And adding Jean to the mix.. WOW. She's like an emotional event horizon for just about every X-character out there. Scott, Warren, Logan, Emma... they're all going to be severely impacted by her being added to the mix. :)
Off topic, but I'd like to drop the name of my other current favorite series: Saga. Such an incredibly awesome book! Anyone else reading it?
I adore Saga.
Quote from: X on December 29, 2012, 09:27:15 PM
I adore Saga.
Dude; the book is INCREDIBLE. In an effort not to derail this thread, I posted about it here http://www.treksinscifi.com/forum/index.php?topic=4810.msg144913;topicseen#new (http://www.treksinscifi.com/forum/index.php?topic=4810.msg144913;topicseen#new)
So far my faves are All New-Xmen and Uncanny Avenger. Love Cassadays' naturalistic style and it's cool to see Havok gettin' some love! Always been one of my favorites, and he always got screwed over.
OK, I picked up Superior Spider-Man No. 1. It's pretty much Otto playing himself playing Peter, there is a funny line when he is fighting the new Sinister Six about how anyone can call themselves that nowadays, and they didn't even waste an issue[spoiler]getting their "out" on this whole nonsense set up. When Otto/Spidey is about to kill a baddie, a ghostly hand stops him from killing him. Yep, it's Peter's katra saying he's stopping him, and he's going to find a way back. [/spoiler] Just confirms what I thought about this being a pure publicity stunt and not really about improving the character.
Quote from: Chris-El on January 22, 2013, 05:32:43 PM
OK, I picked up Superior Spider-Man No. 1. It's pretty much Otto playing himself playing Peter, there is a funny line when he is fighting the new Sinister Six about how anyone can call themselves that nowadays, and they didn't even waste an issue[spoiler]getting their "out" on this whole nonsense set up. When Otto/Spidey is about to kill a baddie, a ghostly hand stops him from killing him. Yep, it's Peter's katra saying he's stopping him, and he's going to find a way back. [/spoiler] Just confirms what I thought about this being a pure publicity stunt and not really about improving the character.
This storyline already jumped the shark for me.
[spoiler] On a whole, the issue is good, but when placed into context, the ending reveal pretty much means that this won't last for ever and there will be no consequences in the end. It's also kind of dumb that if you're pretending to be peter, you decide not to act like him at all and you change a costume to be more violent...[/spoiler]
Agreed, there's no awkwardness when he's interacting with people...he's just being arrogant and non-Peter like. I don't think Peter ever called people "dolts".
Got it and read it - no big surprises - didn't like it. Marvel has messed with Spidey way too often in recent years for my taste. Bring the real Peter Parker back. Get him and MJ back together again (for real). Then I'll bite.
Didn't like the ending but
[spoiler]Can't wait for the ghost peter / Otto as Spidey pottery making scene![/spoiler]
Well I can't imagine anyone actually thought that this was going to last forever with Otto as Spidey. The thing I hope they don't mess up is the interactions with the Avengers, and eventually when they figure out what's going on there will have to be a team effort to take him down. That could be pretty cool...Marvel Universe vs. Spiderman.
Maybe not last forever, but revealing things so soon makes this look even more like a stunt to me.
Yeah, they hedged their bets a little too soon and made the story pretty pointless in the grand scope.
Ill give them at least a point or two for trying something somewhat original with their flagship character. I agree it seems a bit cowardly to show their endgame so soon, but I can't remember a super villain taking over a hero's body for more than an issue or two, let alone over multiple titles and guest shots the way they're doing it here. Like I said above, I'm holding out for an epic miniseries or crossover event where the Avengers, Xmen, and whoever else figure out what's going on and team up to take Doc Spock down.
Come on now, no one thinks "Doc Spock" is even a LITTLE clever? Jeez, tough crowd
Just saw it. Good one!
You, know, even though I find the whole mind-swap stuff silly, and hated the idea, I'm on issue 4 of Superior and am actually enjoying it. It's either pretty good or I'm a masochist. Also just got Nova #1, love it. Love outer space stuff in Marvel and DC.
Quote from: Chris-El on March 01, 2013, 01:28:52 PM
You, know, even though I find the whole mind-swap stuff silly, and hated the idea, I'm on issue 4 of Superior and am actually enjoying it. It's either pretty good or I'm a masochist. Also just got Nova #1, love it. Love outer space stuff in Marvel and DC.
It's not just you, I've been really liking it too, and knowing that Peter's still in there and will eventually make his way out is enhancing the fun for me in some way. I love how he's interacting with the other heroes in the various other books...some funny stuff with Doc Spock babysitting for the FF in the latest Avenging Spiderman