Apple's big worldwide dev conference is next week. Here are some things we might hear and get from it:
1) iOS and OS X. Apple has said it plans to discuss OS X and iOS with its developers. That means OS X Mountain Lion, which was released in preview form for developers in February. And it may mean a developer beta of iOS 6, or a preview of iOS 6 to be released to developers at a later date. Mountain Lion is mostly a known quantity. Though there are sure to be a few surprises, Apple has provided details of the major new Mountain Lion features on its website. iOS 6 remains an unknown quantity, except perhaps for its expected shift away from Google's map technology, seen in the Maps app available on all iOS devices. Google's announcement on Wednesday of offline Maps for Android and improved 3D terrain for Google Earth--weeks before those features will be available--appears to be an effort to ensure that Apple's anticipated foray into mapping doesn't woo iPhone and iPad users away from Google Maps, which should remain accessible in user-installable iOS apps from Google.
Apple is believed to be ready to unveil its own map technology, which presumably will include new APIs for developers, an updated Google-free iOS map app from Apple, and perhaps a similar OS X app.
2) Mac Pro. High-end desktop workstations haven't exactly been where Apple or its competitors have been focused of late. Laptops and mobile devices have been what consumers and many businesses have been buying. But the professional graphics and content creation market remains an important one. Designers and other content creators have been some of Apple's most loyal customers and Apple takes loyalty very seriously. New Mac Pro models are coming, likely with Intel Xeon E5 chips.
3) MacBook Pro. Refreshed last October, the MacBook Pro is said to be getting a high-resolution Retina Display. Introduced in Apple's iPhone 4 and added earlier this year to Apple's third-generation iPad, the Retina Display offers exceptionally vivid graphics and has yet to be matched by competitors, despite being made by a major competitor, Samsung. The MacBook Pro might also be getting a USB 3 port, in addition to its presumed Thunderbolt connector.
4) iMac. With a design dating back to October 2009, the iMac also is ready for a refresh, despite processor improvements since then. The primary feature of the two new iMac models, aside from an up-to-date processor, is expected to be the addition of a Retina Display.
5) MacBook Air. Apple's ultra-thin notebook, the MacBook Air, also is expected to get a Retina Display and processor upgrade, for both the 11-inch and 13-inch models. The MacBook Air remains one of Apple's most popular models because of its portability--it lacks a bulky on-board optical drive--and its reliance on flash memory, which allows it to boot quickly.
6) AirPort Express or AirPort Extreme. Next-generation 802.11ac wireless routers have begun to appear in the market and Apple is likely to want to remain competitive with the rest of the industry, particularly because faster home Wi-Fi makes for better iTunes media consumption. The leaked Apple price lists indicate an AU $119 product, which could be either an AirPort Express or AirPort Extreme.
7) Siri. Apple's Siri voice assistant is available exclusively on the iPhone 4S. That's likely to change, if only because Apple wouldn't have invested in speech recognition as a single product's differentiating feature. Apple sees strategic value in voice input--not just because it messes with Google's search revenue stream--and can be expected to make it more widely available sooner or later. WWDC would be the logical time to introduce a Siri API, to allow developers to integrate Siri into their own iOS and OS X apps.
8) Apps for Apple TV. Though there's scant evidence for this, apart from a single unnamed source, it has got to happen, if not at WWDC then later this year. Google has made a big deal out of Google TV apps, without much to show for it. Apple has a more mature apps ecosystem and can presumably learn from Google's early stumbles. It's a logical extension of iTunes for Apple, not to mention an opportunity to stick it to Google by actually succeeding in the television arena.
http://www.informationweek.com/news/hardware/mac/240001734 (http://www.informationweek.com/news/hardware/mac/240001734)
I have a new Apple TV, and have been wondering when I could get some apps.
Today is the day. Tim Cooke is giving his speech in about 15min.
I'm go smacked the 3GS is getting the update but not the iPad 1!!
Still not sure what iOS 6 features the 3GS will support....
Fairly behind the scenes stuff for iOS6 this go around. Maps was perhaps the biggest "visual" change to iOS6, which I'm not complaining mind you, I've wanted turn-by-turn navigation in Maps for the longest time. It's also significant that it's not Google Maps anymore either. The overhauled App/Book/iTunes store will be welcome too, that's been a need.
Overall, iterative update. I plan on upgrading to iOS6 though, a lot to like (and not in the FB way ;))
King
Round up of the news here:
http://www.informationweek.com/news/hardware/handheld/240001904 (http://www.informationweek.com/news/hardware/handheld/240001904)
New MacBook Pro details here:
http://www.gadgetbox.msnbc.msn.com/technology/gadgetbox/hands-macbook-pro-retina-display-absolutely-beautiful-crazy-fast-824942 (http://www.gadgetbox.msnbc.msn.com/technology/gadgetbox/hands-macbook-pro-retina-display-absolutely-beautiful-crazy-fast-824942)
Having seen only a single shot of the two maps apps beside one another, I think I'm going to find the loss of Google maps rather annoying.
Having taken a few leaps in display detail over the years, do we really need to junk it now in favour of something less capable? I actually think I need to do a little more research since, at the moment, I haven't heard of anything that really entices me to update.
Quote from: Feathers on June 13, 2012, 04:43:04 PM
Having seen only a single shot of the two maps apps beside one another, I think I'm going to find the loss of Google maps rather annoying.
Having taken a few leaps in display detail over the years, do we really need to junk it now in favour of something less capable? I actually think I need to do a little more research since, at the moment, I haven't heard of anything that really entices me to update.
As far as the maps app is concerned (now that I've read into the details more) I agree, I'm getting more and more annoyed at this rivalry between Apple and Google which led to this divorce of the Google Maps. I honestly think it was a giant waste of resources for Apple to build their own mapping service when they could have worked together with Google to create one of the best map apps in the industry. And I'm further annoyed by Apple's forcing people to upgrade to better technology to enjoy turn-by-turn navigation in the maps app. That was completely unnecessary for them to do that.
I will be less than amused if Apple continues to pull core functionality out of their iDevices like YouTube and such that belongs to Google in the future.
King
someone at work recently gave me a 3GS and a 4 ... I gave someone else the 4 and traded in the 3gs for some 360 controllers.
As to your point King, I agree, but what did you expect? Apple's business model is designed for you to want or need to upgrade to get the better stuff even if the old stuff can support it without problems. They get their piece of the iTunes sales, but they also get paid when you upgrade your iDevices every other year.
Quote from: X on June 13, 2012, 07:44:35 PM
someone at work recently gave me a 3GS and a 4 ... I gave someone else the 4 and traded in the 3gs for some 360 controllers.
As to your point King, I agree, but what did you expect? Apple's business model is designed for you to want or need to upgrade to get the better stuff even if the old stuff can support it without problems. They get their piece of the iTunes sales, but they also get paid when you upgrade your iDevices every other year.
That business model unfortunately can be placed on pretty much all the major phone companies. Some (Emphasis on some) of the droid companies are actually worse because they won't upgrade their phones, hence the fragmentation problem. I think the only major OS developer that isn't encouraging upgrades this time around is windows 8. (I kid...somewhat ;))
Disregarding that, well, we encouraged this business model by going with these 2-year contract deals. So we have no one to blame really but ourselves =\.
King
Ok, so for Tim, X and everyone else who consistently complains about the "Apple business model", here's a fool proof solution for you: DON'T BUY APPLE. So simple even a child could figure it out.
The one thign I find interesting is the Retina MacBook Pro is even less upgradeable then previous models. The SSD is proprietary and even the RAM is soldered directly on to the logic board. If you're going to buy one of these, max it out on purchase! Still a great looking machine but I'm content with my 2011 MBP.
http://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/MacBook-Pro-with-Retina-Display-Teardown/9462/1#.T9n2JLVYvoQ (http://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/MacBook-Pro-with-Retina-Display-Teardown/9462/1#.T9n2JLVYvoQ)
Did they mention anything specific about an upgrade coming soon for the iMacs?
Next year.
Quote from: QuadShot on June 14, 2012, 07:23:54 AM
Ok, so for Tim, X and everyone else who consistently complains about the "Apple business model", here's a fool proof solution for you: DON'T BUY APPLE. So simple even a child could figure it out.
I have the same complaint about other business models too. As far as smartphones go...its pretty much a necessary evil. Nothing I can do about it unless I go cheap-phone.
King
Tim, when it comes to tech there is no such thing as necessary. We don't NEED tech, especially smart phones. So, yeah, there is plenty those who don't like the "business models" can do...don't buy. Period. Borrowing and paraphrasing from Kenny "don't be a hater"...:)
Quote from: QuadShot on June 14, 2012, 09:17:31 AM
Tim, when it comes to tech there is no such thing as necessary. We don't NEED tech, especially smart phones. So, yeah, there is plenty those who don't like the "business models" can do...don't buy. Period. Borrowing and paraphrasing from Kenny "don't be a hater"...:)
I wasn't hating on Apple so....I'm good there.
True point on the necessity, I do need a phone though, but obviously not one that's a smart version heh.
King
My philosophy is "stick with what you got if it works".
A lot of Apple consumers have a great deal of disposal income and are keen to have the latest kit. I don't have either ;)
I'm happy with the devices I have and I understand Apple is running a business and of course they are going to add new features to newer devices as an incentive to upgrade.
Quote from: QuadShot on June 14, 2012, 07:23:54 AM
Ok, so for Tim, X and everyone else who consistently complains about the "Apple business model", here's a fool proof solution for you: DON'T BUY APPLE. So simple even a child could figure it out.
Yeah, you're right and I don't buy Apple products. That being said, I feel that my opinion of the business model is still a valid one. I learned a long time ago to "vote with my wallet", but that same child that can figure that out is also the same child that is entitled to their opinion on things.
Quote from: X on June 21, 2012, 06:53:57 PM
Quote from: QuadShot on June 14, 2012, 07:23:54 AM
Ok, so for Tim, X and everyone else who consistently complains about the "Apple business model", here's a fool proof solution for you: DON'T BUY APPLE. So simple even a child could figure it out.
Yeah, you're right and I don't buy Apple products. That being said, I feel that my opinion of the business model is still a valid one. I learned a long time ago to "vote with my wallet", but that same child that can figure that out is also the same child that is entitled to their opinion on things.
Very polite retort there X.
Are we really going into this territory again on the forums? Really?
A bunch of technology enthusiasts, many of whom buy Apple products can't talk about, speculate and criticise Apple's business and upgrade strategy?
Funny thing about this, and it's not just here, but pretty much everywhere, especially on Social Media: as long as your opinion or comment goes with the flow of everyone's opinion, that's ok. However, the MOMENT someone says anything to defend a company, like Apple, the flames start. All of a sudden "are we really going into this territory again..." Dan, I'm not saying that people can't criticise Apple. What I am saying is remember that SAME mentality when others start bashing what YOU like. Like movies, or television series. Because I'll tell you, once someone starts criticizing a movie or TV show that's popular with most here, out come the "ok we get it, you're a hater, now stop crapping on this" comments. BLAH!
I guess the challenge is discussing things that you are passionate about (either in your support or dislike) while maintaining some objectivity. Apple management aren't evil, nor is the management of any other large company. They make technology that many people love, those products are priced at what the market will bear. If they start making too many unpopular decisions or the quality of their devices or the quality of their experience goes down, they will become unsuccessful. It may not happen overnight, brand loyalty will do that, but eventually consumers would vote with their money.
Joe, I agree with you. In fact, I HATE Microsoft. I have a TON of reasons for hating that company and for thinking, no, KNOWING they're worse than Apple. Oh, everyone says they're better because they're "OPEN" but crap on that. They SUCK. But you know what? I don't go on and on and on and on about that fact. Others LOVE attacking Apple, and that's their right, but then when I attempt to defend them, BOOM. And you better believe that if I were to attack Microsoft, I guarantee I'd get flamed en masse. Like I said, I LOVE this community. But I really have no love for the fact that it's morphing into a "your opinion means something as long as it gels with the rest of us" mentality, and I don't think that's a conscience morphing either. But honestly it does seem that whenever some of us either say something negative about a popular subject, or defend what appears to be an unpopular subject, the gloves come off. That's why I said that it's simple, if you don't like Apple don't buy it. But crap man, don't go on and on and on about how evil they are.
I wouldn't say the site is morphing into anything negative at all. In fact, not pointing any fingers, but I've noticed it's always the same four or five people arguing back and forth about these topics. I've never felt freer to express my opinion anywhere on the web or in fact anywhere in the world than here on this site, and that's coming from someone that has had his opinion on a couple controversial topics bashed mightily. I would never suggest that your feelings about this are wrong or invalid, Al, just saying it hasn't been my experience or observation.
I'll try to keep this short. The probably best way to discuss things like this is to try and not make it personal. Everyone has their personal likes and dislikes. My biggest issue at times is when someone says something about any subject without any real knowledge of it. Everyone should feel they can express their "informed opinion" here. And if you ever feel you are being dog piled on for your views, please let me know or one of the mods know about it.
Aw shut up...I LOVE YOU ALL!!!!!!! :)
Quote from: QuadShot on June 22, 2012, 07:40:34 AM
Funny thing about this, and it's not just here, but pretty much everywhere, especially on Social Media: as long as your opinion or comment goes with the flow of everyone's opinion, that's ok. However, the MOMENT someone says anything to defend a company, like Apple, the flames start. All of a sudden "are we really going into this territory again..." Dan, I'm not saying that people can't criticise Apple. What I am saying is remember that SAME mentality when others start bashing what YOU like. Like movies, or television series. Because I'll tell you, once someone starts criticizing a movie or TV show that's popular with most here, out come the "ok we get it, you're a hater, now stop crapping on this" comments. BLAH!
Just for the record, I enjoy passionate discussion and I'm not one to think that you have to like every aspect of something to be considered a fan, nor am I the type of person that gets offended by the opinions of another. I like seeing different perspectives on something and I don't take it personally. Hell, I don't care what you hate or love on a personally level because it doesn't affect me on a personal level.
I'm a great fan of debate and verbal sparing. I'm also the first one to point out that my opinion is just that, my opinion. Not everyone will agree with and like it, but I am willing to read counter points about it. Sure, there are a lot of fans of the Apple experience, but as far as business models go, the PCs are still grinding them in the dust. The Apple experience is still a minority experience and that leaves plenty of room for discussion on that.
Quad, I do agree with you that there can be some venom spewed from people in regards to certain topics, but I humbly counter that there is a very vocal community of Apple fans that are akin to rabid sharks on the internet. Rather than discuss the topics, technology, and experience, they see any disagreement with the Cult of Jobs as a personal attack on their every souls then proceed to attack the offending opinions.
I think that for a small minority of the world, the Apple model works, but for the vast majority of the world, there has to be reasons why Apple isn't even close to second place.
I mean, how long has the Apple OS been out and how long have they been at less than 10%? Then on the other hand, they are the dominating force in the tablet market, but it took less than 12 months for android to get of 20% of the tablet business.
Rough estimates say that apple has almost tripled their presence in the pc world, but to be at only 10% after how many years? Then to loose over 20% of the market you started just a year speaks volumes to why I think the Apple experience has some issues. I'm not bashing apple to be one of the cool kids, I just don't buy into the apple hype machine.
- Sold millions of iPAD. Check.
- Lost 20% of the niche market you created. Not so good.
- Used good will of iOS to drive sales into the OS X. Almost hitting 10% of the market. Good growth.
- Been in the market since the start of the market and can't break double digits consistently.
In the end, Apple's sales volume helps to dictate their business direction in my opinion and by releasing their products in cycles they can get their fan base to double dip and increase their sales, but it's not generating a ton of active growth. Many of the same people are buying several version of the same products.
Sure that by itself is enough to keep Apple in business, but they are never going to beat the vast majority of the world that still require function over form and that their hard earned money get the most they can for the amount that they are spending.
You all can bite me, Apple rules!!! :)
Quote from: Rico on June 22, 2012, 08:39:55 AM
And if you ever feel you are being dog piled on for your views, please let me know or one of the mods know about it.
This part seems kind of ominous with your new avatar Rico ;)
Quote from: Bryancd on June 22, 2012, 10:21:22 AM
You all can bite me, Apple rules!!! :)
You're lucky you run faster then most of us :)
Quote from: billybob476 on June 22, 2012, 10:25:46 AM
Quote from: Bryancd on June 22, 2012, 10:21:22 AM
You all can bite me, Apple rules!!! :)
You're lucky you run faster then most of us :)
That's WHY he's a runner!! :) Gee Bryan, maybe I should take up running too? I mean...I LOVE Apple too, in fact, I have an alter in my back yard with an Apple on top. :) Yesh...I need help. That's NEVER been a question!
I'd like to point out that I'm not hating on Apple. I can show you examples of people hating on Apple and...it isn't pretty. The venom for Apple...is stunning even to me that people get that worked up over a company. You'd think that Apple stole their kid or something, it truly concerns me in that regard.
That said, Apple isn't perfect and I'm merely commentating/debating over what they could be doing to fix the flaws in how the company works. I hope it doesn't come off as attacking you Al because I have no place to attack anyone who buys apple products when I'm typing this message on an iPad. ;) And I don't want to attack anyone who buys technology from any company. It's not my concern in life what people buy for technology.
Anyway.
King
Tim...no worries. I over reacted, which is all too common for me these days. It's because I AM addicted to...Apple. I know that now. I have a problem and I plan on seeking help. I've made an appointment with the Betty Ford Clinic but not sure if I'm actually going to check myself in. They're requiring me to leave my iPad at home. Don't think I can do that. I LOVE my Apple products and some day, yes, SOME DAY, with luck our society will change the way they view Apple and accept our love... :)
Ok, on to seriousness - I do apologize for going off the deep end. I do have some personal issues I'm dealing with and I do allow that to fuel my rants all too often. I'm glad no one takes me too seriously. And yes King, I will admit that Apple has their...issues. :)
Well, we definitely know that Apple has their issues, I mean, they still haven't fixed that bite someone took out of the logo. Fix it already!!
:P
yes well, We all need our rants.
:)
King
The point I was trying to make is that this thread was a civilised thread discussing business practices in relation to iOS 6.
If we are going to accept comments like "Don't like it, don't buy it" are relevant and move the discussion forward then I'd say that "Don't like it, don't read it" is just as valid a comment to make.
Sigh.
Good points by all. I'm actually one of the weird one's that wants both MS/Windows stuff and Apple stuff. To me it's all pretty darn cool and each has things it excels at vs. the other. In fact, I'm pretty tempted by that new MacBook Pro right now. I'd probably do it if it was a few hundred cheaper.
Quote from: Dangelus on June 22, 2012, 02:07:29 PM
The point I was trying to make is that this thread was a civilised thread discussing business practices in relation to iOS 6.
If we are going to accept comments like "Don't like it, don't buy it" are relevant and move the discussion forward then I'd say that "Don't like it, don't read it" is just as valid a comment to make.
Sigh.
So then, if I'm not a "productive member", I shouldn't post?
Quote from: QuadShot on June 22, 2012, 03:04:46 PM
Quote from: Dangelus on June 22, 2012, 02:07:29 PM
The point I was trying to make is that this thread was a civilised thread discussing business practices in relation to iOS 6.
If we are going to accept comments like "Don't like it, don't buy it" are relevant and move the discussion forward then I'd say that "Don't like it, don't read it" is just as valid a comment to make.
Sigh.
So then, if I'm not a "productive member", I shouldn't post?
Would you stop arguing with Dan and go see Prometheus alread?! :)
Quote from: QuadShot on June 22, 2012, 03:04:46 PM
Quote from: Dangelus on June 22, 2012, 02:07:29 PM
The point I was trying to make is that this thread was a civilised thread discussing business practices in relation to iOS 6.
If we are going to accept comments like "Don't like it, don't buy it" are relevant and move the discussion forward then I'd say that "Don't like it, don't read it" is just as valid a comment to make.
Sigh.
So then, if I'm not a "productive member", I shouldn't post?
Never said you weren't a productive member, you are a valued member and contributor to this community and my comments here are not personal.
Your comment didn't express any opinion on the subject of the discussion other than to say you're not interested in discussing the subject so I it felt redundant and just served to take the conversation off topic.
Quote from: Rico on June 22, 2012, 03:02:01 PM
Good points by all. I'm actually one of the weird one's that wants both MS/Windows stuff and Apple stuff. To me it's all pretty darn cool and each has things it excels at vs. the other. In fact, I'm pretty tempted by that new MacBook Pro right now. I'd probably do it if it was a few hundred cheaper.
That's pretty much my philosophy. I run Windows, Apple and Linux all happily together here! :)
I've never understood all the brand loyalty stuff was it comes to tech. I suppose if your a consumer you just just get used to things but it's the techy people who only stick to one thing I don't get. The only exception would be the hardcore Open Source guys who don't use MS or Apple out of freedom principles.
Quote from: Dangelus on June 23, 2012, 01:22:34 AM
I've never understood all the brand loyalty stuff was it comes to tech. I suppose if your a consumer you just just get used to things but it's the techy people who only stick to one thing I don't get. The only exception would be the hardcore Open Source guys who don't use MS or Apple out of freedom principles.
well I think it's pretty clear that the companies really want their consumers to have the kind of brand loyalty that you're talking about and its a huge part of their marketing strategy to facilitate it whenever they can. Its not unusual to see that quite often the desired effect of all that brainwashing sometimes occurs. Also, as we've discussed before, people sometimes get pretty defensive about the big purchases they make and feel like when someone bashes their product then they feel like they are being slighted on a personal level. Silly but sometimes true.
Also I believe that many people buy Apple and keep buying Apple because of how much synergy there is between all their products, how beautifully iMacs work with iTunes and iPads and iPhones and Apple TV and I'm sure the new Apple Television as well when it hits. I look at the new Windows Surface and drool but when I wonder how I'll be able to use it with my iMac...and realize they've had their hooks in me for a while now.
Quote from: Jobydrone on June 23, 2012, 10:27:19 PM
Also I believe that many people buy Apple and keep buying Apple because of how much synergy there is between all their products, how beautifully iMacs work with iTunes and iPads and iPhones and Apple TV and I'm sure the new Apple Television as well when it hits. I look at the new Windows Surface and drool but when I wonder how I'll be able to use it with my iMac...and realize they've had their hooks in me for a while now.
This. Apple makes it so easy for the vast majority of consumers who only have a modicum of tech proficiency to "make it all work right". I find that their greatest value to be honest. I don;t have the the or inclination to have to work to my my technology work for me. Apple has solved for that.
Quote from: Bryancd on June 24, 2012, 04:49:12 AM
Quote from: Jobydrone on June 23, 2012, 10:27:19 PM
Also I believe that many people buy Apple and keep buying Apple because of how much synergy there is between all their products, how beautifully iMacs work with iTunes and iPads and iPhones and Apple TV and I'm sure the new Apple Television as well when it hits. I look at the new Windows Surface and drool but when I wonder how I'll be able to use it with my iMac...and realize they've had their hooks in me for a while now.
This. Apple makes it so easy for the vast majority of consumers who only have a modicum of tech proficiency to "make it all work right". I find that their greatest value to be honest. I don;t have the the or inclination to have to work to my my technology work for me. Apple has solved for that.
Totally agree Apple have it 100% correct on the ecosystem. None of the others have the synergy of products or devices.
You do have to sacrifice a bit of flexibility but if you're happy in their world and want everything to work together perfectly, don't want to have to do any configuration or customisation and you have the cash then Apple is the way to go.
So Apple is removing YouTube app from iOS 6. This combined with the removal of Google Maps means we only got GSearch and Gmail as the only Google integration on iOS.
http://techcrunch.com/2012/08/06/youtube-app-ios-6-buh-bye/?grcc=33333Z98ZtrendingZ0Z0Z0Z0Z0&grcc2=cd2d30be792662c5910ce60f209f7215~1344314653052~fca4fa8af1286d8a77f26033fdeed202~9f0e86c130c4b16ac3c6f04f6f31e12b~1344304417384~98~0~0~0~0~0~0~0~9~3~ (http://techcrunch.com/2012/08/06/youtube-app-ios-6-buh-bye/?grcc=33333Z98ZtrendingZ0Z0Z0Z0Z0&grcc2=cd2d30be792662c5910ce60f209f7215~1344314653052~fca4fa8af1286d8a77f26033fdeed202~9f0e86c130c4b16ac3c6f04f6f31e12b~1344304417384~98~0~0~0~0~0~0~0~9~3~)
This upgrade is really starting to look like a major downgrade to me.
What's interesting is that Apple are saying that their licence for the YouTube app has expired. I wonder if they'll remove it from iOS 5 in the next update too? Actually I don't think they even need an update to do that do they?
Can't you just open a browser and go to the Youtube webpage? What did the app give you besides saving you a few taps??
Quote from: Rico on August 07, 2012, 05:12:15 AM
Can't you just open a browser and go to the Youtube webpage? What did the app give you besides saving you a few taps??
Yeah, it won't make a huge difference. It's just interesting and shows more of Apple's distancing themselves from Google. No more google maps, now no more YouTube app.
Honestly, I don't really like the YouTube app anyway. I think it's kind of slow, and not really all that...well, special. I typically go to YouTube through the Safari Browser anyway.
Quote from: billybob476 on August 07, 2012, 06:00:55 AM
Yeah, it won't make a huge difference. It's just interesting and shows more of Apple's distancing themselves from Google. No more google maps, now no more YouTube app.
Yep, it's on. :)
Oh yeah the YouTube app is a piece of crap, the interesting thing here the decision to remove it.
I think it's time for Apple to concentrate on what they're ADDING to iOS 6. I'm pretty underwhelmed personally as they haven't announced that killer feature that has always been part of the OS full number upgrade in the past.
Quote from: Dangelus on August 07, 2012, 12:09:54 AM
What's interesting is that Apple are saying that their licence for the YouTube app has expired. I wonder if they'll remove it from iOS 5 in the next update too? Actually I don't think they even need an update to do that do they?
The YT app will remain a part of iOS 5 and previous iOSes. Not that big of deal considering how much they push people to update anyway.
Its not that the YT app was anything really special, it is just that, for me, there are no good features in the update at this point. The Apple Maps is not worth much, considering that GMaps already has all of its features. Plus, Apple Maps cuts out several features from GMaps. I feel like I'm losing a lot more by upgrading than by not so it is possible that I may not bother this time around. This whole Apple distancing themselves from Google is, in my opinion, a stupid waste of time and effort when Apple should have been concentrating on making iOS a better and more robust OS. Instead, they've been wasting time on map technology just so Google can't get that precious data that to me seems unimportant in the big scheme of things.
Just my 2 cents anyway.
From our point of view it's not great but Google benefit greatly from the high level of integration their services have had in iOS so it makes sense for Apple to cut them out.
I feel it will be good in the long term. Android has come along superbly and the "quality divide" in the smart phone and tablet market isn't as wide as it was just a short time ago.
Quote from: Dangelus on August 07, 2012, 09:08:52 AM
From our point of view it's not great but Google benefit greatly from the high level of integration their services have had in iOS so it makes sense for Apple to cut them out.
Just a thought, but why does it make sense for Apple to cut them out? I mean, disregarding that Android exists.
Instead of Google benefiting, its going to be TomTom. One company or another benefits from it. So from that stance, I don't see the difference, its just one company gets the goods. What of it if its Google? That's the one line of thought that confuses me.
I've read articles suggesting that Google generate up to 4 times more revenue from their integration in iOS than from Android devices. This is a way for Apple to hit them where it hurts, simple as that.
TOM TOM don't have a competing product on the market. ;)
Quote from: Dangelus on August 07, 2012, 08:20:58 AM
...as they haven't announced that killer feature that has always been part of the OS full number upgrade in the past.
Sure they have Dan...they added the number 6 :)
Quote from: QuadShot on August 07, 2012, 09:55:32 AM
Quote from: Dangelus on August 07, 2012, 08:20:58 AM
...as they haven't announced that killer feature that has always been part of the OS full number upgrade in the past.
Sure they have Dan...they added the number 6 :)
That's it. Apple have turned into ENCOM from TRON: Legacy ;)
I spoke too soon when I said iOS 6 was lacking in amazing features. Looks like with the new larger screen of the next iPhone you get to have a whole extra row of apps on your screen!
Revolutionary! ;)
http://www.theverge.com/2012/8/7/3225844/apple-iphone-5-ios6-scaling-resolution-apps (http://www.theverge.com/2012/8/7/3225844/apple-iphone-5-ios6-scaling-resolution-apps)
Quote from: Dangelus on August 07, 2012, 09:39:27 AM
I've read articles suggesting that Google generate up to 4 times more revenue from their integration in iOS than from Android devices. This is a way for Apple to hit them where it hurts, simple as that.
TOM TOM don't have a competing product on the market. ;)
For now TomTom doesn't. Wouldn't blame them if they considered making an android powered device with their GPS data on it. As both Android and iOS have been eating into their products.
Quote from: KingIsaacLinksr on August 07, 2012, 10:52:03 AM
Quote from: Dangelus on August 07, 2012, 09:39:27 AM
I've read articles suggesting that Google generate up to 4 times more revenue from their integration in iOS than from Android devices. This is a way for Apple to hit them where it hurts, simple as that.
TOM TOM don't have a competing product on the market. ;)
For now TomTom doesn't. Wouldn't blame them if they considered making an android powered device with their GPS data on it. As both Android and iOS have been eating into their products.
Dunno I would think this deal with Apple is very profitable for them and most likely includes little caveats to stop them getting any bright ideas.