Man, I love the Internet! Some of you probably already know about this, but I guess a teenage girl posted up some complaints about her parents making her do chores and things on Facebook. So the dad gets a bit upset and not only shoots his daughter's laptop up, but posts a video of him doing it on YouTube! Remember when people used to keep some things private?
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/technology/2012/02/fed-up-north-carolina-father-shoots-daughters-laptop/ (http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/technology/2012/02/fed-up-north-carolina-father-shoots-daughters-laptop/)
http://youtu.be/kl1ujzRidmU (http://youtu.be/kl1ujzRidmU)
Did he then buy her a new one?
Quote from: Feathers on February 14, 2012, 08:38:33 AM
Did he then buy her a new one?
He says at the end she can buy one when she saves up enough money.
Quote from: billybob476 on February 14, 2012, 08:47:38 AM
Quote from: Feathers on February 14, 2012, 08:38:33 AM
Did he then buy her a new one?
He says at the end she can buy one when she saves up enough money.
The article also says a local place offered her a job.
I also wonder if he did this intentionally to get attention. I don't see any reason to put this publicly on the web, as he could have kept it strictly in his social circle on Facebook. it just....feels almost over dramatic.
King
Quote from: KingIsaacLinksr on February 14, 2012, 09:18:12 AM
I also wonder if he did this intentionally to get attention. I don't see any reason to put this publicly on the web, as he could have kept it strictly in his social circle on Facebook. it just....feels almost over dramatic.
King
He didn't put it on the web directly. He put it on his daughter's page and it spread from there.
Quote from: KingIsaacLinksr on February 14, 2012, 09:18:12 AM
I also wonder if he did this intentionally to get attention. I don't see any reason to put this publicly on the web, as he could have kept it strictly in his social circle on Facebook. it just....feels almost over dramatic.
King
He didn't do this for publicity.. like X said he posted this on her facebook to embarrass her in front of her friends. It went viral on it's own because it's awesome. It's a warning to kids if your parents are tech savvy don't trash them online or pay the price.
"Hello Tech Support?"
"Yeah, my laptop's shot..."
Lol
Heck, there have been laptops I've wanted to put out their misery lol.
King
Either he's really good with that .45 or it has a lot less kickback then I thought it would have.
You crazy Americans ;)
Quote from: HawkeyeMeds on February 14, 2012, 12:51:02 PM
You crazy Americans ;)
Harry Callahan: I know what your thinking. "Did he fire six shots or only..."
Quote from: billybob476 on February 14, 2012, 11:16:44 AM
Either he's really good with that .45 or it has a lot less kickback then I thought it would have.
I bet his daughter will think twice before she shoots her mouth off in the future! Imagine expected her family to pay her for during her chores!!
In the States I found my mate's .45 was easier on it's recoil than his .40! There are many factors that affect recoil.
Quote from: bevs_plaything on February 14, 2012, 02:13:46 PM
Quote from: billybob476 on February 14, 2012, 11:16:44 AM
Either he's really good with that .45 or it has a lot less kickback then I thought it would have.
I bet his daughter will think twice before she shoots her mouth off in the future! Imagine expected her family to pay her for during her chores!!
In the States I found my mate's .45 was easier on it's recoil than his .40! There are many factors that affect recoil.
*coughs* if I had a nickel every time a teenager wanted to be paid for chores I'd be rich by now....
King
As a father of a whining teenager, and having been one, I know that they make pronouncements about how their life is AWFUL and are being treated very unfairly (doesn't sound like she was) and she did complain to everyone on her page about how her parents sucked. We all did this. The difference is that this generation feels the need to put their entire life on Facebook. So, bad on her. Publicly humiliating your kid seems childish to me. I know kids today are pampered, but as a parent, reducing yourself to that level just seemed like he failed. I have a couple of kids going through difficult phases but I would NEVER humiliate them in front of their friends. I know how tough school can be, and having everyone know your dad is a nutty guy who shoots laptops doesn't help.
Just the opinion of someone who has 4 kids, so I'm not some uber-liberal telling others how to raise kids.
Well said Chris. This certainly is far from the way things should be handled.
Quote from: Rico on February 14, 2012, 03:01:31 PM
Well said Chris. This certainly is far from the way things should be handled.
But it's damn fun for us to watch! :)
Quote from: billybob476 on February 14, 2012, 03:02:08 PM
Quote from: Rico on February 14, 2012, 03:01:31 PM
Well said Chris. This certainly is far from the way things should be handled.
But it's damn fun for us to watch! :)
Yeah, that was my initial reaction, until I thought about my own kids and how we handle difficulties. My oldest son is grounded from internet and gaming. We changed the wifi password. Remove the stuff he can't use from his room and lock it up. Cellphone privileges revoked and so on. Kids are hard to get to, I know that for sure. Teaching them a lesson and completely alienating yourself from them are 2 different things.
Quote from: billybob476 on February 14, 2012, 03:02:08 PM
Quote from: Rico on February 14, 2012, 03:01:31 PM
Well said Chris. This certainly is far from the way things should be handled.
But it's damn fun for us to watch! :)
Oh, definitely! That's why I posted it.
Oh wow! (I got to watch the video now I'm at home)
I think it was handled perfectly. She lied about the family and was corrected in a way that not only hurt her pride, but it took away the tool she used to attack her parents.
Here's the thing. I don't think that any parent just randomly escalates the punishment of their child. She had done something similar before and was warned that there would be consequences. She chose to write a letter to her parent and post it on the internet. I think that his response was more than fair.
I threaten to throw away my daughter's crap all the time when she acts up. I even take it away until someone (usually the wife) caves and restores her stuff when she shows a bit of respect, but the punishment is never fully met. Destroying the laptop shows that he means business and a few hours or days of good behavior isn't going to bring it back.
My father would ground me for months at a time when I failed to uphold my role in the family. It's getting harder and harder for grounding to be as successful as it was when computers needed for school become tools to circumvent your punishment.
He didn't beat his kid and he took her to task for attacking the family on the internet. She challenged authority and failed.
Better still, what other course of action should he have taken to address the lies that she created in public?
In my view as an adult and parent, you certainly don't deal with issues like this (or any problem) in public. And before you say someone else made it public, you are naive if you think anything you post online can stay private. I talk to my kids and try and set a good example for them. I would never do something like this to them.
I can definitely say I would have lost respect for my dad just as much as I lost respect for this guy had he done the same thing. Parental punishment doesn't need an online audience. Heck, it doesn't need a real-life public audience. I get really uncomfortable around parents when they discipline their kid in front of me. Sometimes its unavoidable sure, but in this case, he didn't need to post that on the Facebook page. He easily could have shown this video in his house and maybe to the immediate family. It didn't need a worldwide audience which lets face it, Twitter, Facebook, Google+, those all can potentially go viral. Its happened a million times before and it'll happen a million times after this.
King
As far as the response to her public lies....that's a tricky one. I can't say because I am no parent. Someone else will have to chime in, I can't say because its not my place.
King
There's a good phrase I've always kept in mind for a variety of times...
"Praise in public, punish in private."
Quote from: Rico on February 14, 2012, 03:57:56 PM
There's a good phrase I've always kept in mind for a variety of times...
"Praise in public, punish in private."
As a manager of people, it is a principle I live by. Same goes for being a parent.
Quote from: Rico on February 14, 2012, 03:57:56 PM
There's a good phrase I've always kept in mind for a variety of times...
"Praise in public, punish in private."
Very, very good.
I saw today that child protective services and the police showed up at this man's house but left congratulating him.
Quote from: Jobydrone on February 15, 2012, 12:28:21 PM
I saw today that child protective services and the police showed up at this man's house but left congratulating him.
He didn't abuse the child, so why would it concern them? She didn't pay for the laptop and it's well in his rights to both remove the laptop and fire his gun. Shooting a laptop where your daughter is nowhere around and then presenting the corpse isn't a traumatic event. It's not like she's watching the post.
Quote from: Rico on February 14, 2012, 03:57:56 PM
There's a good phrase I've always kept in mind for a variety of times...
"Praise in public, punish in private."
My mother had another saying. Don't let your mouth write a check that your ass can't cash. Meaning that there were consequences for the things we said and if we didn't want to feel those consequences, we'd watch what we had to say. We most certainly wouldn't air it in public.
Then again my mother also had the child abuse number on a fridge magnet and told us that if we ever felt that we were being abused to feel free to call the number. She then noted that she would then whup our butts and anyone investigating the call.
As a single mother, she ruled with an iron first to keep us out of trouble and it worked. I was 9 the last time I was whupped, but it was a constant reminder of my needing to behave or if I was going to be stupid, to be discrete enough to never let her find out. Silence for self preservation seems to have skipped the last few generations.
I'm a big fan of corporal punishment and my daughter knows it. The threat of that punishment is far greater than the spanking itself could ever be. I also, think that all of these wild kids popping up everywhere is directly related to the reduction or cessation of corporal punishment.
When we messed up in school, we got a wooden paddle to our butts. There wasn't a such thing as talking it out or being placed into timeout. We got paddled and pain, it seems, is an excellent tool in deterring unbecoming behavior.
Chris, we obviously have very different ideas and experiences on things related to this. Physically harming a child is not something I would ever consider. And my two sons turned out just fine, didn't act out in school, got very good grades and are great (IMHO). This is a bit off from the original topic, but I suppose it is connected - to a degree. I just think there are much better ways to deal with issues like this.
Quote from: Rico on February 16, 2012, 05:10:08 AM
Chris, we obviously have very different ideas and experiences on things related to this. Physically harming a child is not something I would ever consider. And my two sons turned out just fine, didn't act out in school, got very good grades and are great (IMHO). This is a bit off from the original topic, but I suppose it is connected - to a degree. I just think there are much better ways to deal with issues like this.
I here what you're saying, but I think it is different a bit. My father spanked me once in my entire life and that was enough to keep me from ever wanting to get spanked by him again. It wasn't even a hard spanking, but it resonated. I don't see anything wrong with tough love because of it. My thought is that in the real world, people won't be giving you timeouts when you mess up. That's why I can relate to this story. The kid wasn't harmed at all in any physical way, but now known beyond a shadow of a doubt that violations of the rules will result in punishment. Do something too stupid and you might end up in jail or prison where punishment and life is far far away from a timeout. I think that the punishment should fit the crime and in this case, it certainly did.
She went to the web to embarrass the family with lies. She was confronted and sentenced on the forum that she chose to pull the family into. I've grown up with seeing similar hair of the dog punishments. Get busted drinking? Get forced in the morning to do lots of work under noisy conditions while sporting a hangover.
But yeah, I agree that we have different ideas and experiences. When kids in my neighborhood got into a fight, the parents would be there to make sure that no one got too hurt and at the end, the kids had to make up and go play.
My first reaction was: This guy is a jerk, with a dorky hat. (Alpha dog personality with a touch of Little Man Syndrome.) Second reaction: Teenage girls are a pain in the arse. Third reaction: This guy is a jerk. Fourth reaction: I'm glad you were not my Dad, cause I would want to write snotty drivel about you too. Final reaction: Teenage girls are lazy *and* stupid. OH America.... I'm so proud. :andorian: