Star Wars: Episode I The Phantom Menace in 3D Opening Feb. 10, 2012
Source: 20th Century Fox
March 3, 2011
Lucasfilm and 20th Century Fox announced the release date for Star Wars: Episode I The Phantom Menace in 3D today:
Lucasfilm Ltd. and Twentieth Century Fox announced today that the 3D theatrical launch of Star Wars: Episode I The Phantom Menace now has an official release date – February 10, 2012! Set against the thrilling and exotic backdrop of a "galaxy far, far away," Star Wars is perfectly suited to the immersive 3D theatrical experience, and Episode I delivers some of the Saga's most stunning and spectacular sequences – from the Naboo invasion to the Tatooine Podraces to the climactic lightsaber battle between Darth Maul and the Jedi. Supervised by Industrial Light & Magic, the meticulous conversion is being done with utmost respect for the source material, and with a keen eye for both technological considerations and artistic intentions.
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I so dislike the converted 3D movies.. but I know Lucas will do it right and I'm actually excited to see all these movies on the big screen again... sign me up
Quote from: Geekyfanboy on March 03, 2011, 10:32:20 AM
I so dislike the converted 3D movies.. but I know Lucas will do it right and I'm actually excited to see all these movies on the big screen again... sign me up
Oh, yeah, these are going to be done right. I'm there. :)
I'm a bit tentative about this, I mean I want to see the movies on the big screen whenever I get the chance, but 3D tends to make me a bit nauseous.
billlybob, take some Dramamine :)
Okay, this pisses me off. Episode 1 is the weakest of the series. I don't like it, but part of me really wants to see what he does with it and if 3D can make it better. I swore not to pay money again for some of these movies and here am I pondering paying more money to watch George beat a dead horse.
Bahh, humbug! ;)
Quote from: X on March 03, 2011, 11:21:23 AM
Okay, this pisses me off. Episode 1 is the weakest of the series. I don't like it, but part of me really wants to see what he does with it and if 3D can make it better. I swore not to pay money again for some of these movies and here am I pondering paying more money to watch George beat a dead horse.
Hmmm....George beating a dead horse...IN 3D! That would sell!!! :)
Quote from: QuadShot on March 03, 2011, 10:48:27 AM
billlybob, take some Dramamine :)
lol, I shouldnt have to get high to go to the movies!
Quote from: billybob476 on March 03, 2011, 12:03:46 PM
Quote from: QuadShot on March 03, 2011, 10:48:27 AM
billlybob, take some Dramamine :)
lol, I shouldnt have to get high to go to the movies!
Does Dramamine get you high??
Imagine, Jar Jar Binks right there in front of you, you could almost hit him! ;)
Quote from: Geekyfanboy on March 03, 2011, 12:10:38 PM
Quote from: billybob476 on March 03, 2011, 12:03:46 PM
Quote from: QuadShot on March 03, 2011, 10:48:27 AM
billlybob, take some Dramamine :)
lol, I shouldnt have to get high to go to the movies!
Does Dramamine get you high??
lol no but as I recall it kind of makes me pass out, though maybe I´m thinking of Gravol.
Btw my thoughts on this are as follows:
Probably will look very good, thus is Lucas after all, he will make sure the 3D is right. That being said I would rather see money spent on the rumoured Live Action TV series being development and / or new movies!
The live action series has been put on indefinite hold until they can find a way to make it cheaper.
I'm cautious about this, but idk if I'll watch it.
King
Oh its going to be awful. Jar Jar's ears flying at you sheeeeesh. Look for a start the script is terrible, no matter how much you polish it, its still a turd.
George. Make a new film.
Of course i'll still go and see it and hate myself even more for being sucked into his huge gold laced wallet.
Me say, you sa, a nut!!
Negative, Negative, Negative.. but I'll go see it.
If you don't like the idea of 3D or as X put it "George beating a dead horse" then DON'T go see it.. no one of forcing you to see it.
I for one enjoyed the prequels and look forward to seeing how George has enhanced them with the 3D.
I think I said this before, my biggest issue is I just wish they would spend the money and resources on new content, like the live action series. George, back in the day was an innovator and trail blazer. But this really just looks like an easy way to cash in on previous content. I'm sure I'll still see it, but I just wish it was a new movie instead.
Quote from: Geekyfanboy on March 03, 2011, 03:02:58 PM
Negative, Negative, Negative.. but I'll go see it.
If you don't like the idea of 3D or as X put it "George beating a dead horse" then DON'T go see it.. no one of forcing you to see it.
I for one enjoyed the prequels and look forward to seeing how George has enhanced them with the 3D.
Kenny, no one is judging you for liking the film. We're merely voicing opinions that we feel and it's not something that's in the minority. If something can't stand up to criticisms, it's not the fault of the criticizer.
Also, were it not for those disappointed voices, I'd hate to see how episodes 2 and 3 would have turned out. Remember, before the Jar Jar outcry, Uncle George had planned on making him a major part of the trilogy.
It's also annoying that he has the coin to spend on reedits but claims a lack of funds when it comes to putting something fresh out.
Quote from: Rico on March 03, 2011, 03:18:16 PM
I think I said this before, my biggest issue is I just wish they would spend the money and resources on new content, like the live action series. George, back in the day was an innovator and trail blazer. But this really just looks like an easy way to cash in on previous content. I'm sure I'll still see it, but I just wish it was a new movie instead.
That's what I thought too, but I've just looked over his IMDB and I'm pretty shocked at the content. His directing credits are WAY fewer than I imagined and A majority of his production credits are in the same few franchises. When compared to his peer Mr. Spielberg, you'll notice that Spielberg has done far more in a much wider range of things. And this isn't at all to knock George, but damn Steven is AMAZING in comparison.
I'll go see it on the big screen again but look more foward to the original trilogy. I don't need the 3D to get me to go back and I would like to see something new from the Star Wars Universe. :starwars:
Chris, I don't agree about your assessment of Lucas. The sheer number of credits isn't how I judge innovation and trail blazing in making movies. George at a very young age created a franchise that has endured for decades. He not only wrote the story, but edited, directed and helped create a unique and unheard of special effects unit for "Star Wars" (which later became ILM). He had a unique vision at the time when a science fiction movie was a rare thing - and certainly seldom made any kind of real money. Later on, he helped pave the way for the use of digital cameras in film making. Now they are nearly the norm. Getting somewhat off topic but to say George Lucas wasn't an innovator is simply not true in any sense.
Quote from: Rico on March 03, 2011, 04:10:45 PM
Chris, I don't agree about your assessment of Lucas. The sheer number of credits isn't how I judge innovation and trail blazing in making movies. George at a very young age created a franchise that has endured for decades. He not only wrote the story, but edited, directed and helped create a unique and unheard of special effects unit for "Star Wars" (which later became ILM). He had a unique vision at the time when a science fiction movie was a rare thing - and certainly seldom made any kind of real money. Later on, he helped pave the way for the use of digital cameras in film making. Now they are nearly the norm. Getting somewhat off topic but to say George Lucas wasn't an innovator is simply not true in any sense.
I didn't say he wasn't an innovator I said that his resume wasn't as impressive as I thought it was. I can give credit where credit is due, but I thought that he had his hand in far more stuff than what he actually did.
Looking forward to seeing all the Movies in 3D at the Movie Theatre. Like others have stated, George really excels at the technical aspects of film, so really looking forward to seeing what he does with these. Sure, would like to see some new content as well, but if I never see any more live action Star Wars, I can live with it. I really enjoy the EU books, and they have some very good stories. so Star Wars lives on for me in that form, plus in the books, no Jar Jar ;)
People can say what they want about George Lucas, and re releasing the same set of movies over and over again, I guess when he does that, he is open to criticism. At least we have choice if we want to direct our money that way or not, since none of these movies are required as an essential to live. I will that over executives and ceo's profiteering off of good and services we need to get by in our lives, or executives who take millions of dollars in bonuses well laying off or slashing the salaries of employees. Just my :2cents
Oh Lord. Look, converting these films, especially the digitally filmed prequels is a FAR less expense the developing and shooting a new live action film. Releasing these in 3D for those of us who want to see them is NOT preventing new content. LucasFilm is doing great with Clone Wars and as a technical innovator, I am sure GL Is much more interested in pushing the potential of 3D as opposed to another TV series. It's his nature. And he sees the future of entertainment.
Do the people involved in the original production get paid for the rereleases?
Quote from: X on March 03, 2011, 05:47:43 PM
Do the people involved in the original production get paid for the rereleases?
Why does that matter? They all signed a contract.
Quote from: X on March 03, 2011, 05:47:43 PM
Do the people involved in the original production get paid for the rereleases?
Depends on the their contract...but I don't understand why you are asking the question.
Quote from: Geekyfanboy on March 03, 2011, 05:50:46 PM
Quote from: X on March 03, 2011, 05:47:43 PM
Do the people involved in the original production get paid for the rereleases?
Depends on the their contract...but I don't understand why you are asking the question.
I'm asking because I know that tv actors get paid residuals for subsequent airings of their shows. Is that the same case with films that are re-released or is it all profit from the production company from that point on?
Quote from: X on March 03, 2011, 05:53:40 PM
Quote from: Geekyfanboy on March 03, 2011, 05:50:46 PM
Quote from: X on March 03, 2011, 05:47:43 PM
Do the people involved in the original production get paid for the rereleases?
Depends on the their contract...but I don't understand why you are asking the question.
I'm asking because I know that tv actors get paid residuals for subsequent airings of their shows. Is that the same case with films that are re-released or is it all profit from the production company from that point on?
Yes Actors can get residuals, but again it depend on their contracts and back in the 70's it's wasn't as common as it is now.
Look, if you don't like 3D, don't go and see it. Simple. But stop with these straw man arguments that this is preventing new Star Wars content from being released. That's just not the case. And don't be surprised if LucasFilm moves to the forefront of developing 3D technology down the road. That's what I see happening here.
I don't think anybody said that making these 3D is stopping the release of new material. Just that some would prefer to see new material rather than the 6 films redone in 3D if we had a choice. Obviously it isn't up to us so it is just an opinion.
I don't think anybody here will be boycotting the 3D releases either way.
I won't be boycotting it but I won't be seeing it.
3D simply doesn't work for me.
Of course there is no direct connection between getting the old films in 3D vs. new content. BUT - that doesn't mean I can't say that I would certainly prefer new content over the same old films in 3D again. Look at how much we have been enjoying the Clone Wars lately. There are a lot of SW fans unhappy about this direction. Of course Uncle George will still do what he wants. Doesn't mean I have to do a happy Jarr-Jarr dance over it. ;)
What often get's lost in our adoration for the STAR WARS universe is that GL, and I have said this in many threads, is not a director or producer, he is a technocrat. He's not a story teller, he's an engineer. His favorite aspect of film making is editing, not directing. ILM, THX, even the original PIXAR, all of these technical innovations to come from LucasFilm is what is squarley in his wheel house. That's his passion. Digital filimg and projection innovation? LucasFilm. And now the future of 3D? LucasFilm.
Well he failed with the CGI in Star Wars specials. They look terrible now. Maybe he will alter my mind when he does something new. Rendering SW in 3D is not the way. Wiping out the prequels and starting again with a new writer, director, producer etc you get my point is a start lol.
Hey ultimately though as I said earlier I'll be going to see it but if I dont get any kind of wow I will disown the bearded wonder once and for all.
George is good at making money too. ;)
Quote from: HawkeyeMeds on March 04, 2011, 05:42:54 AM
Well he failed with the CGI in Star Wars specials. They look terrible now.
The Special Editions? I don't agree with that at all. I think when they were released they looked amazing and I am sure they will make an effort to make them even better for the BluRay release. That was a challenging bit of CGI, incorporating new content into films that at the time were almost 20 years old. I think they succeeded doing something very new and innovative back in the mid '90's with that effort.
I have to agree with Bryan on this point mostly. The only bad CGI was the original Jabba / Han Solo scene added to New Hope. He later improved on it but it still looks bad.
Quote from: Dangelus on March 04, 2011, 05:50:13 AM
The only bad CGI was the original Jabba / Han Solo scene added to New Hope. He later improved on it but it still looks bad.
Yeah, that is clearly a kind of huh? bit of business!
I'm not a fan of the bad music video scene in Jabba's palace in Jedi. Somehow I don't think Jabba likes pop. But I agree, at the time I remember it looking awesome. Also the Special Editions were the first chance I had to see the movies on the big screen.
Quote from: billybob476 on March 04, 2011, 06:08:16 AM
I'm not a fan of the bad music video scene in Jabba's palace in Jedi. Somehow I don't think Jabba likes pop.
True, but it certainly is better than the stick figure Sy Snottle maquette in the original release! She was more wooden than Hayden Christiansen!
Quote from: Bryancd on March 04, 2011, 06:10:42 AM
Quote from: billybob476 on March 04, 2011, 06:08:16 AM
I'm not a fan of the bad music video scene in Jabba's palace in Jedi. Somehow I don't think Jabba likes pop.
True, but it certainly is better than the stick figure Sy Snottle maquette in the original release! She was more wooden than Hayden Christiansen!
That's because she was made of wood, what's Hayden's excuse?
:D
"...um...Hayden...faster...more intense..."
-GL
In regards to the $$ side of this, all the 2011 toy packaging if featuring Darth Maul on the front and we will likely be seeing Maul in the next season of Clone Wars, so the Episode 1 3D marketing machine is ramping up for this release.
I also imagine they'll be releasing new "3D movie release" waves of figure repacks.
Lol Darth Maul was awesome. Now a lightsaber battle in 3D would be cool, saying that the only good thing in the prequels were the battles involving lightsabers.
I enjoyed the special editions. And with the 3D releases will they release it again in regular format for theaters that don't have 3D??
Quote from: WillEagle on March 05, 2011, 07:49:25 AM
I enjoyed the special editions. And with the 3D releases will they release it again in regular format for theaters that don't have 3D??
My understanding is that this is a 3D only release.
Quick update:
http://www.starwars.com/movies/saga/prime_focus_star_wars_3d/index.html (http://www.starwars.com/movies/saga/prime_focus_star_wars_3d/index.html)
They played a good interview on last weeks Force Cast of Lucas talking about the 3D project on G4 TV. He discussed the issue's involved with up-converting a 2D film into 3D. He said a lot of the issue's of quality arise from the people doing the coversion not having an understanding of how the scene they are working on was actually staged. It was really interesting and explains a lot as to why the up-conversion efforts have been so bad. He's having the folks from ILM work directly with the company doing the work on the Phantom Menace to have so to be able to have the people who were actually on set be available to make sure it's done correctly. He also said he's a big fan of "screen back" 3D and feels it's a superior medium to view a film over 2D.
Quote from: billybob476 on March 04, 2011, 06:30:20 AM
I also imagine they'll be releasing new "3D movie release" waves of figure repacks.
If I remember correctly the original figures were already 3D ;)
Well, George has been wrong before. ;)
The honest truth and answer is you really can't make "3-D" out of "2-D" film. Without cameras filming the scene with the ability to record varying depths of view it just won't really work right. What does "how the scene was staged" have to do with this? You need the raw film to do it and have even a chance of it coming out right.
Now, the big advantage Lucas has with the prequels is they were shot with digital equipment. So he can sort of "digitally cheat" in a lot of scenes - especially effects scenes. But when he gets to the original trilogy it's going to be much harder to do. I wish them luck, but obviously I have my reservations on this.
If they motivation behind doing this is experimentation and pushing the boundaries of film making etc then I'm all for it but I suspect that $$ may be the may reason.
We shall see...
Quote from: Rico on June 13, 2011, 05:44:13 AM
The honest truth and answer is you really can't make "3-D" out of "2-D" film. Without cameras filming the scene with the ability to record varying depths of view it just won't really work right. What does "how the scene was staged" have to do with this? You need the raw film to do it and have even a chance of it coming out right.
As he explains, apparently you can make the coversion without having to have the film done in native 3D, according to the interview. He discussed how 15 years ago, they did a partial conversion of ANH and it was very good. The issue with the staging is that unless the person doing the conversion of a given scene knows exactly how the scene was blocked, where all the actors, background, foreground, ect were in relation to each other on set as it was filmed, they will make errors of the spacing which make the up-coverted image look wrong. So by having people from LucasFilm working alongside the conversion company, he feels he can eliminate that issue and have the result look they way he wants. Go listen to the interview, it's all of 5min.
Quote from: Dangelus on June 13, 2011, 05:48:29 AM
If they motivation behind doing this is experimentation and pushing the boundaries of film making etc then I'm all for it but I suspect that $$ may be the may reason.
We shall see...
Well, in the same interview he also discusses the live action series. He said that using current technology, filming this show as written would cost as much as a feature. They need to do it for only 10% of that kind of cost. So they are working on developing new technology for future filmmakers where a $150 million dollar movie today can be made for $50million, that's a direct quote. So I know bashing Lucas as greedy is popular fanboy rage, but I don't see it that way at all. Listen to the interview, the man is an innovator, STAR WARS is the way he funds his innovation.
Quote from: Bryancd on June 13, 2011, 05:55:51 AM
Quote from: Dangelus on June 13, 2011, 05:48:29 AM
If they motivation behind doing this is experimentation and pushing the boundaries of film making etc then I'm all for it but I suspect that $$ may be the may reason.
We shall see...
Well, in the same interview he also discusses the live action series. He said that using current technology, filming this show as written would cost as much as a feature. They need to do it for only 10% of that kind of cost. So they are working on developing new technology for future filmmakers where a $150 million dollar movie today can be made for $50million, that's a direct quote. So I know bashing Lucas as greedy is popular fanboy rage, but I don't see it that way at all. Listen to the interview, the man is an innovator, STAR WARS is the way he funds his innovation.
Oh I have no doubt about that. So many innovations have come from Lucasfilm and spun off into the industry. It's just the old argument that would like to see something new and that reinventing existing material is a way of getting us to pay again for the same said material.
I really do hope he gets to do the live action series some day and I admire that he is hold off. He could have just put out something mediocre and made plenty of money from it.
Quote from: Dangelus on June 13, 2011, 06:07:33 AM
Quote from: Bryancd on June 13, 2011, 05:55:51 AM
Quote from: Dangelus on June 13, 2011, 05:48:29 AM
If they motivation behind doing this is experimentation and pushing the boundaries of film making etc then I'm all for it but I suspect that $$ may be the may reason.
We shall see...
Well, in the same interview he also discusses the live action series. He said that using current technology, filming this show as written would cost as much as a feature. They need to do it for only 10% of that kind of cost. So they are working on developing new technology for future filmmakers where a $150 million dollar movie today can be made for $50million, that's a direct quote. So I know bashing Lucas as greedy is popular fanboy rage, but I don't see it that way at all. Listen to the interview, the man is an innovator, STAR WARS is the way he funds his innovation.
Oh I have no doubt about that. So many innovations have come from Lucasfilm and spun off into the industry. It's just the old argument that would like to see something new and that reinventing existing material is a way of getting us to pay again for the same said material.
I really do hope he gets to do the live action series some day and I admire that he is hold off. He could have just put out something mediocre and made plenty of money from it.
Yeah, very true, but we are getting new content, The Clone Wars. And he is working on future content. So when fans complain about the rehashing of the films and that they want new content, it's frustrating. Lucas isn't going to just make new movies. He's telling his story via Clone Wars for now and is working on technology. Re-issuing the films helps fund that, be it 3D or Blu-Ray.
Quote from: Bryancd on June 13, 2011, 05:55:51 AM
Quote from: Dangelus on June 13, 2011, 05:48:29 AM
If they motivation behind doing this is experimentation and pushing the boundaries of film making etc then I'm all for it but I suspect that $$ may be the may reason.
We shall see...
Well, in the same interview he also discusses the live action series. He said that using current technology, filming this show as written would cost as much as a feature. They need to do it for only 10% of that kind of cost. So they are working on developing new technology for future filmmakers where a $150 million dollar movie today can be made for $50million, that's a direct quote. So I know bashing Lucas as greedy is popular fanboy rage, but I don't see it that way at all. Listen to the interview, the man is an innovator, STAR WARS is the way he funds his innovation.
I get what you're saying. I know you want to call him an innovator, but shouldn't he ... well innovate something that will fund future innovations instead of going back to the well?
While he might have some great ideas, I think that he might be a little afraid of failure or something. It feels to me like he's playing it safe. Why test your latest innovation on a untested property that might generate new revenue when you can test it on the cash cow that is the Star Wars audience?
He has one and a half properties that are adored ... then nothing else.
Now if you were to say Cameron was an innovator, I'd agree. Back in '09 he too had the idea to try to do an upconvert of one of his films to 3d.
Now don't get me wrong. I don't fault him for what George's doing. If I could pull it off, I would. Without hesitation. I also don't hold to Star Wars being sacred gospel that should be touched. I think I might even see the value of offering a bit more when you re-release something to give the consumer more value to their attendance. I'm even willing to bet that this will not be a 3D only release.
I just think that an innovator should be able to innovate and create a new franchise to use us as lab rats on.
But Chris you are assuming he wants to be a filmmaker. I have always said he's really not a filmmaker at heart, he's a technocrat. He loves the technology much more then the creative process of filmmaking. That's where there's this disconnect with some fans. They want film content, new franchises. I don't think he has the slightest interest in that. Separate the creative process and the technical and then look at what Lucas is doing. It's very clear.
Quote from: Bryancd on June 13, 2011, 06:19:58 AM
But Chris you are assuming he wants to be a filmmaker. I have always said he's really not a filmmaker at heart, he's a technocrat. He loves the technology much more then the creative process of filmmaking. That's where there's this disconnect with some fans. They want film content, new franchises. I don't think he has the slightest interest in that. Separate the creative process and the technical and then look at what Lucas is doing. It's very clear.
Well, to counter your point, if all he was interested in was pushing the technology, I'm sure that there are hundreds if not thousands of directors and wanna-be directors that would sell their souls for him to test out new tech with one of their features. I'm sure that he would even get some of his development costs covered if he did it that way. There are dozens of more cost efficient ways to test and develop the tech than the rinse and repeat of Star Wars.
Logistically speaking, he could get money pretty damned quick by testing it on other ventures. By testing it on Star Wars, he's pouring tons of cash and man hours into something that will not generate more revenue for research until he's done.
Now, let's assume you are 100% right about the technocrat part and that he does this to fund his next big innovation. Wouldn't it be easier and more cost effective to get paid by others to test your ideas out on their films? You aren't trying up your own resources, so you can actually add your on resources to that to push the envelope even further if you wanted.
The idea of tech for the sake of tech doesn't add up when there are ways to do that and still fund the projects.
I'd say that yes he is a technocrat, but he's also a control freak. He wouldn't want others to test out his tech, they'd do it wrong.
Quote from: X on June 13, 2011, 06:28:41 AM
There are dozens of more cost efficient ways to test and develop the tech than the rinse and repeat of Star Wars.
The idea of tech for the sake of tech doesn't add up when there are ways to do that and still fund the projects.
I don't think he is using STAR WARS to test new tech, I think he uses STAR WARS to FUND new tech, there's a difference. Also, as Joe points out, he is a control freak and very unlikely to go off on some massive collaborative effort as you suggest. You may see other avenue's he could go, but it's his party.
Here's the first poster for the re-release.. have to say I'm not a fan of it. :(
I think it's fine, Maul will be a big focus of this release along with his appearance in the Clone Wars at the end of Season 4, around the same time. Besides, 3D is a fade, it will never last... ;)
It doesnt matter how much you polish a turd ;)
Lol. Well we all know each others views on 3D (failing here by the way) but i will of course go and see it because at the end of the day even a crappy Star Wars is cool on the big screen. I'm sure the lightsaber battles and pod race will (if it works) look great.
I'm really looking forward to this and all of the others (if they come). I'm not a Menace hater and I am really intrigued to see what kind of job Lucasfilm does on the 3D. If it doesn't look right from Lucasfilm, 3D will probably never look right ever!
Come on. It's another chance to see Star wars on the big screen!! :)
From the looks off the poster, would say they are highlighting the Pod race, so I am guessing it will look great in 3D. Everyone has such dour looks on their faces, if R2 had a face, it would have that same solemn look to it also.
Pass...
Quote from: HawkeyeMeds on October 13, 2011, 03:05:31 PM
It doesnt matter how much you polish a turd ;)
Depending on the turd and how you polish it, some can actually shine ... well according to all the hard work of the mythbusters.
....Well, I for one won't be putting that theory top the test!! :)
This is me and i would say this to any TFM fan LOL ;)
http://youtu.be/hUkCJDkG3fg (http://youtu.be/hUkCJDkG3fg)
Quote from: HawkeyeMeds on October 15, 2011, 07:15:04 AM
This is me and i would say this to any TFM fan LOL ;)
http://youtu.be/hUkCJDkG3fg (http://youtu.be/hUkCJDkG3fg)
Wow.. sometimes I just don't get British humor...
Do you know, I've not yet watched Spaced. I have seen about 2 or 3 episodes when it first aired and I remember not being overly impressed. But I didn't really know what it was supposed to be back then. Perhaps I'll get it better now I know where Simon Pegg is coming from.... I have been convinced by many people who's opinions I trust that it is the best comedy since....I don't know.....say...Drop Dead Fred!
I do own it though. I picked the complete boxset up for about £12 from Asda. I just need to actually sit and watch it...
Drop.....dead.....fred..... Me and you need to have a good chat when we meet up in October lol. Trust me you will love all the nods to films and the writing is just brilliant. If you like Shaun of the dead and Hot fuzz you will love Spaced.
Kenny the whole point of Tim (peggs character) is he feels betrayed by Lucas and that new viewers who's first film is TPM really like it. Its all done in humour. You realky should watch spaced its such a awesome programme. After that scene Tom gets rebuked by the owner who reminds him that every generation has a new film close to their heart.
On a personal note i do agree with Tim lol i went out with a girl who had a jar jar bag, nearly finished the relationship there and then.
Quote from: HawkeyeMeds on October 16, 2011, 01:10:38 PM
Drop.....dead.....fred..... Me and you need to have a good chat when we meet up in October lol. Trust me you will love all the nods to films and the writing is just brilliant. If you like Shaun of the dead and Hot fuzz you will love Spaced.
Kenny the whole point of Tim (peggs character) is he feels betrayed by Lucas and that new viewers who's first film is TPM really like it. Its all done in humour. You realky should watch spaced its such a awesome programme. After that scene Tom gets rebuked by the owner who reminds him that every generation has a new film close to their heart.
On a personal note i do agree with Tim lol i went out with a girl who had a jar jar bag, nearly finished the relationship there and then.
Lol I'll have to hear a liitle more about this story at the end of the month!
Quote from: HawkeyeMeds on October 16, 2011, 01:10:38 PM
Drop.....dead.....fred..... Me and you need to have a good chat when we meet up in October
That means you either love it and can't wait to talk positively about it, or you can't stand it and are ready to throttle me for as long as it takes to make me see sense...
....or maybe you love it, but forgot all about mentioning it on the Rick and Ade episode of Waffle On and are going to throttle me for not mentioning it to you before the record...
I mention drop dead free, oh yes we mention it....... ;)
I guess a new trailer for this is out and floating around. You can see the trailer in theaters with "The Three Musketeers." A version is below (I have no idea why the color is off in this).
Star Wars Episode I: The Phantom Menace 3D - Trailer (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Vt0bIIgP0I#ws)
Interesting that they don't mention the 3D until the end.
LOL! They certainly managed to find every scene of stuff flying at you for the trailer! I am so psyched to see this..
I think if converted well, Phantom Menace will be a real treat to see in 3D, there's just so many cool things going on effects wise in that movie. I'd go anyway because when Star Wars is on the big screen, I GO.
Russian poster featuring CGI Yoda. :yodaxmas
I'm wondering why they chose to convert episode 1 to 3D and not, say, episode 4 or 6. was it that episode 1 had more opportunities to use good 3D? or is it that more 3D renditions will follow, and that they just wanted to go in kinda a chronological order?
Quote from: turtlesrock on December 20, 2011, 08:53:08 PM
I'm wondering why they chose to convert episode 1 to 3D and not, say, episode 4 or 6. was it that episode 1 had more opportunities to use good 3D? or is it that more 3D renditions will follow, and that they just wanted to go in kinda a chronological order?
They are doing all of them in order of the story
The real reason is it's much easier for them to convert a digitally filmed movie like episode one, than 4-6. The effects are all digital, etc. Order of the story? That depends on your point of view. ;)
Quote from: Rico on December 21, 2011, 05:56:00 AM
The real reason is it's much easier for them to convert a digitally filmed movie like episode one, than 4-6. The effects are all digital, etc. Order of the story? That depends on your point of view. ;)
Yep. :)
Quote from: Rico on December 21, 2011, 05:56:00 AM
The real reason is it's much easier for them to convert a digitally filmed movie like episode one, than 4-6. The effects are all digital, etc. Order of the story? That depends on your point of view. ;)
Episode 1 was shot on film, 2 & 3 were native digital but 1 was transferred to digital for the Blu-Ray master I think.
I wonder if Lucas is regretting not transfering the movies to 4K (like 90% of movies were doing a decade ago!) instead of 1080p yet? Future proofing, George! :)
I should have said Ep. 1 was partially digital (a few parts of the film and the I think just about every special effect shot). It has obviously since been converted to all digital. And since Eps. 2 & 3 are all digital it's still is easier to convert the prequels than it will be Eps. 4-6. Keep in mind also that it really depends how Ep. 1 does in theaters on whether they continue to do the other films. I'm guessing they still will do ok and make their investment back (especially counting future home release sales, digital sales, etc.).
*yoda voice* much sense this is making, hrm? episode 4, 3D in the future they will make! :yoda
Quote from: turtlesrock on December 21, 2011, 08:11:54 PM
*yoda voice* much sense this is making, hrm? episode 4, 3D in the future they will make! :yoda
Your Jedi mind tricks won't work on George!
Well I'm looking forward to seeing Jar Jar in 3D.
It's going to take technological genius to convert a one dimensional character into 3D ;)
Ha! :)
Jar Jar, young Anakin, all in glorious wooden 3D.
I don't care either way for the 3D but my son is so excited at the prospect of seeing a Star Wars film in theatre that it would be a shame to disappoint him.
Looks like I'm going to see it. Oh, the sacrifice... ;)
Is your son familiar with the original films Mike?
Oh here we go again...I feel a great disturbance in the Force! :)
LOL we're doing a George Lucas waffle soon, be prepared..... be very prepared...
Oh I will....I will....(in Rick Moyer's Yoda voice! :) )
Quote from: HawkeyeMeds on January 05, 2012, 01:26:45 PM
LOL we're doing a George Lucas waffle soon, be prepared..... be very prepared...
I take it that show will be tagged "explicit" lol
Well to be fair we are covering Star Wars (original) not George though I'm sure a bit of a moan will go on lol
Quote from: HawkeyeMeds on January 05, 2012, 12:16:44 PM
Is your son familiar with the original films Mike?
Not the original, originals but the re-releases that they've shown on ITV for the last couple of years.
Quote from: HawkeyeMeds on January 06, 2012, 01:41:39 AM
Well to be fair we are covering Star Wars (original) not George though I'm sure a bit of a moan will go on lol
Just don't spend half the podcast talking abut the beard will you lol.
The movie tie-in's have begun!
Brisk Star Wars: Yoda vs. Darth Maul (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LwabxgoSGZY#ws)
heheheheh they have really big heads :laugh:
I had forgotten how soon this was coming on. There is a Denzel Washington movie starting that same weekend so I wonder how well this will do. I figure it will rake in the dough!
New international trailer...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DNW1jDuF-_E# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DNW1jDuF-_E#)
I have yet to see a commercial in the states.
I've seen the Brisk Tea commercial with Darth Maul a couple times so far. We are still a few weeks away from the release date.
Posters...
Cool posters. Even though this is my least favorite of the new trilogy I will go see it again.
When I saw Tintin 3D (hey, it was the matinee, at least), they showed the 3D trailer for SW:Ep 1. I must say, the conversion looked pretty good. Lots of head on podrace action, some gratuitous light saber pointing, etc.
Now, it seems like they would pick the most amazing shots for the trailer, but it's certainly the natural progression of Star Wars: adapting to the new technology with upgrades and re-releases.
Oddly enough, I think the kids were extra psyched since I just started showing my kids the prequels the week before, as we got the blu ray set for Christmas. Probably good to have the more durable media, i worry when They pull out the original series VHS tapes...
I guess if that's the only real chance they'll have to see it on the big screen, we just might have to have our next 6 family movie nights out set! (yes, Kenny, I'm *only* doing it for the kids ;) )
Some cool promotion stuff at AMC theaters, including special "podracer style" 3D glasses.
AMC Theaters has announced exclusive activities and giveaways for the February 10 release of Star Wars: Episode I The Phantom Menace 3D:
The first chapter of the Star Wars Saga arrives in theatres for the first time ever in 3D starting February 10, and AMC theatres across the country are celebrating the occasion with plans to make opening weekend one for fans and families to remember!
To mark the return of Star Wars: Episode I The Phantom Menace to theatres, now in immersive 3D, kids, collectors and Star Wars fans of all ages will receive an all-new Hasbro Star Wars Fighter Pod with the purchase of each RealD 3D ticket for Episode I, all weekend long, February 10-12 only at AMC theatres (limit one per ticket, while supplies last).
Additionally, 10 AMC theatres in the United States will host exclusive event screenings in RealD 3D to bring the fun of Star Wars in 3D to life for families and fans. Starting Saturday, Feb. 11 at 11 a.m. local time, select theatres will offer activities, giveaways, and interactive experiences. Fans can expect (while supplies last):
* Exclusive Anakin Skywalker Podracer 3D glasses with ticket purchase, to truly get into the speed and spectacle of 3D Star Wars on the big screen.
* A Hasbro Star Wars FIGHTER PODS collectible toy with RealD 3D ticket purchase
* A LEGO(r) feature area
* Darth Maul face-painting; a chance to reveal your inner Sith Lord at long last!
* Special character appearances for photo opportunities
* Demonstrations of the upcoming Xbox Kinect(tm) Star Wars(tm)
The 10 participating Star Wars: Episode I The Phantom Menace exclusive event screening theatres are:
Atlanta: AMC Southlake 24; Boston: AMC Loews Liberty Tree Mall 20; Chicago: AMC South Barrington 30; Denver: AMC Highlands Ranch 24; Los Angeles: AMC Tustin 14 at The District; AMC Ontario Mills 30; New York: AMC Empire 25; AMC Garden State 16; Phoenix: AMC Mesa Grand 24; San Francisco: AMC Emeryville Bay Street 16
I'm so looking forward to this in the theaters again and in 3D
I'd love to be excited but you know, i'm really not. I hate to say it but i'm going (for a podcast special) with very low expectations and thats only because i did not like it when i first saw it (bar the lightsaber fight). Now I have a lot more to gain as I didnt like the film and i cant stand 3D so theoretically I should be on a winner lol
I can't wait!!!
Though I'd enjoy to see it in theaters again, I just don't want to see it in 3D. I hate the glasses and 3D just doesn't work for me anyway. It looks the same in 3D as a regular movie to me. And I'll agree with Meds to a degree it's not exactly my favorite of the Star Wars films, so I don't really want to spend the extra money, or wear the irritating glasses.
Quote from: HawkeyeMeds on January 29, 2012, 12:17:22 PM
I'd love to be excited but you know, i'm really not. I hate to say it but i'm going (for a podcast special) with very low expectations and thats only because i did not like it when i first saw it (bar the lightsaber fight). Now I have a lot more to gain as I didnt like the film and i cant stand 3D so theoretically I should be on a winner lol
I'm not going see it for the same reasons and I LOVE 3D. 3D just isn't enough to convince me to see it again. I'm not even slightly interested in seeing as my daughter calls it "the bad star wars movie with the stupid annoying monster with the floppy ears."
I'll go see this with my son, since he shares my enthusiasm for Star Wars. He is too young to have seen any of these on the big screen, so this will be a treat.
I'd love to see it in the theaters again, but I'm not really a 3-D person.
Hey - I wonder if it will show in any theaters in non-3D during this release?
Nice article here about someone that got to visit Skywalker Ranch and view the 3D version of the film already.
http://www.comingsoon.net/news/movienews.php?id=86560 (http://www.comingsoon.net/news/movienews.php?id=86560)
Wow, what a shock! ;) of course it's AWESOME!
My parents want me to take my nephews to see it on the weekend, so looking forward to going with them, should be fun.
Quote from: Rico on January 29, 2012, 06:23:25 PM
Hey - I wonder if it will show in any theaters in non-3D during this release?
You'd think that it'd be 3d exclusive, but I don't see how they would turn away money.
I can't wait for this.. going to see it opening weekend.. was hoping they would release it in IMAX 3D.. but doesn't look like that is happening.
Quote from: X on February 06, 2012, 08:58:33 PM
Quote from: Rico on January 29, 2012, 06:23:25 PM
Hey - I wonder if it will show in any theaters in non-3D during this release?
You'd think that it'd be 3d exclusive, but I don't see how they would turn away money.
I thought I saw local theaters here having it in 3D and 2D.
Quote from: Rico on February 06, 2012, 03:25:24 PM
Nice article here about someone that got to visit Skywalker Ranch and view the 3D version of the film already.
http://www.comingsoon.net/news/movienews.php?id=86560 (http://www.comingsoon.net/news/movienews.php?id=86560)
Well his review of the film was decent, i was expecting some gushing kiss ass review due to being at skywalker ranch but fair play to him at least he admits that TPM has some serious flaws. The 3D got a good review and i'm looking forward to seeing it myself although i still feel adding 3D wont improve the actual film.
Quote from: HawkeyeMeds on February 07, 2012, 12:20:22 PM
Quote from: Rico on February 06, 2012, 03:25:24 PM
Nice article here about someone that got to visit Skywalker Ranch and view the 3D version of the film already.
http://www.comingsoon.net/news/movienews.php?id=86560 (http://www.comingsoon.net/news/movienews.php?id=86560)
Well his review of the film was decent, i was expecting some gushing kiss ass review due to being at skywalker ranch but fair play to him at least he admits that TPM has some serious flaws. The 3D got a good review and i'm looking forward to seeing it myself although i still feel adding 3D wont improve the actual film.
I guess that's the thing...at the end of the day we all have our opinions of the movie itself (good and bad). I'm more interested to see how Lucas handles 3D.
Totally agree with you Joe, I'm not a fan of 3D, just don't see the thing but that's just me. I'm more than willing to give it a go, i've got nothing to lose at the end of the day and I may come out of the cinema thinking "awesome" and happy days.
I'm back!!!!
OK, first the previews. I saw "Wrath of the Titans" and the 3D looked AWFUL. I mean utter, annoying, bad, crap. Avoid this in 3D like the plague. Then "Spiderman" 3D and OH MY GOD! THAT is how you do 3D. It looked amazing and just goes to show when it comes to 3D, it all depends on how much they want to spend. Now I want to see "Spiderman" in 3D whereas I was kind of heh a few days ago on it. The last was "Madagascar" 3D and it looked beatiful and funny as all get out and I've never watched this movie series! Oh and they had one of those "Stitch" short films which was great as well.
So, "The Phantom Menace". In a word: SPECTACULAR. The 3D during the opening crawl was so amazing. All the 3D is from the screen back, nothing jumps out at you, and overall it's VERY subtle. It gives some nice depth perspective but often simply belnds into the scene seemlessly. At many point I forgot I was even watching it in 3D. Even if you are not a 3D fan, there's nothing here I think that will cause offense and the picture quality is simply out of this world. The image quality alone is worth paying the money to see this in theaters again, it's so clear and sharp. Looking forward to hearing others thoughts, but I for one plan on going again for sure!
Bryan, where did you see it at?
Quote from: QuadShot on February 10, 2012, 11:52:26 AM
Bryan, where did you see it at?
Harkins 12 at Scottsdale Rd. and the 101. It's not playing on the big Cine Capri screen, whci kind of sucks, that screen is as big as Imax almost.
Hmm, thanks for the opinion. Maybe I'll bring the kids to see this tonight.
Makes me wish I could see 3D. :( Sounds great
Oh, I also saw the trailer for "John Connor" in 3D and it looked great as well. Disney.
Sad thing about John Carter Bryan: Joyce and I have tickets to the "Hollywood" red carpet premiere in LA...but it's not in the financial cards to go! We have to hold on to the travel $$ to go back east when her grandson is born...bummer.
That sucks, Al, but good call.
Nice review Bry, so far yours is the most positive review of TPM i've seen. A lot over here in Blighty have been terrible and I decided earlier i can't be shelling out £8 to see a film i don't really like (bar the lightsaber fight) but after reading your post I think i will go and give it a go. I like the fact the colours come out nice and bold.
Ta Meds, if you don't like it I'll PayPal you 8 quid. :)
LOL now thats sales. ;) I'll let you know. ha ha
Quote from: Bryancd on February 10, 2012, 02:44:29 PM
Ta Meds, if you don't like it I'll PayPal you 8 quid. :)
Quote from: Bryancd on February 10, 2012, 02:44:29 PM
Ta Meds, if you don't like it I'll PayPal you 8 quid. :)
Pay him 7 and 18 bob - and to hell with metrification! :)
Quote from: Bryancd on February 10, 2012, 11:40:22 AM
I'm back!!!!
OK, first the previews. I saw "Wrath of the Titans" and the 3D looked AWFUL. I mean utter, annoying, bad, crap. Avoid this in 3D like the plague. Then "Spiderman" 3D and OH MY GOD! THAT is how you do 3D. It looked amazing and just goes to show when it comes to 3D, it all depends on how much they want to spend. Now I want to see "Spiderman" in 3D whereas I was kind of heh a few days ago on it. The last was "Madagascar" 3D and it looked beatiful and funny as all get out and I've never watched this movie series! Oh and they had one of those "Stitch" short films which was great as well.
So, "The Phantom Menace". In a word: SPECTACULAR. The 3D during the opening crawl was so amazing. All the 3D is from the screen back, nothing jumps out at you, and overall it's VERY subtle. It gives some nice depth perspective but often simply belnds into the scene seemlessly. At many point I forgot I was even watching it in 3D. Even if you are not a 3D fan, there's nothing here I think that will cause offense and the picture quality is simply out of this world. The image quality alone is worth paying the money to see this in theaters again, it's so clear and sharp. Looking forward to hearing others thoughts, but I for one plan on going again for sure!
I saw it this afternoon as well, really liked the Crawl as well at the start, looked great against the star field. Like Bryan said, very subtle, and blended in nicely. It is what I expected of the 3D for a movie that is over 12 years old. Was nice to see Star Wars again on the big screen, went with my nephews and my dad, and after had a fun discussion with my one nephew about Darth Maul and being cut in two. My other nephew did get restless in the second half, but understandable as he is 7, and the movie is slow paced. But he was pretty enthralled during the Podracing and Final Battle. It was a day off School, so plenty of parents with kids, so cool to see another Generation of Kids watching Star Wars.
Jeff - both you and Bryan mention the opening crawl (which I've always felt has a 3D look to it already), but it's sounding like a lot of the "3D-ness" of the rest of the movie isn't that pronounced. Were there any other scenes that seemed to benefit much from the conversion to 3D?
I think for the most part it was pretty subtle. The Crawl is redone from the original, as the Starfield is much more lifelike and the text stands out from it more. Some of the explosions have benefited, as not really gimmicky, but you can see pieces flying around. It was a lot more just depth, with a much cleaner and sharper picture. The pod race and battle sequences have some enhanced spots. Some 3D movies I find a strain to watch, but this was not one, I thought the lighting as well was good, not as bright as Transformers 3, but more bright then a lot of 3D movies I had seen.
Quote from: Rico on February 10, 2012, 03:49:34 PM
Jeff - both you and Bryan mention the opening crawl (which I've always felt has a 3D look to it already), but it's sounding like a lot of the "3D-ness" of the rest of the movie isn't that pronounced. Were there any other scenes that seemed to benefit much from the conversion to 3D?
I felt there were, especially the scenes in space and the image was nicely layered. Look, it's well worth a few extra bucks for the 3D, I mean come on.
Finishing touches on the outfits for the kids done, tickets preordered a few days ago... A little sleep, and I'll be set!
Anyone else heading to the Denver event tomorrow? I'll have an Ep. 1 Anakin, an Ep. 2 Amidala (the one with her leg in a cast), and the wife who loves me enough to be seen with is in public...
I think it would be fair to say that the crawl is most likely totally new and "real" 3D which may be why it looks so good. It would be silly to do a conversion of the crawl as it would be pretty simple to recreate from scratch.
So, I went to see this today in a good size theater. Not a really big crowd at all. Overall, while I enjoyed seeing the movie again on the big screen I found the 3D effect fairly mediocre. It appeared obvious to me certain scenes that were effects heavy they were able to add some depth and "3D-ness" to the view, but much of the movie had nothing really altered. I slipped the glasses up and down several times during the film and it was interesting, the scenes that didn't seem to be touched much looked like a standard movie picture. When a scene with a little 3D showed up the scene would then show two distinct images that the 3D glasses trick your eyes and brain into seeing it with added depth or 3D. I have to say overall I was a bit disappointed. It appeared like many other converted to 3D films. Actually to me the picture wasn't nearly as bright, crisp and sharp as the Blu-Ray image on my HDTV.
Ok, now I know I've made my view on 3D films pretty well know but I went into this with as much of an open mind as I could. But ultimately I just still feel it's a gimmick and didn't add much at all to seeing the film. In fact like I said above I find the picture more vibrant and stunning on Blu-Ray. So, that's my initial impressions of this first converted film from GL.
P.S. I will say "The Hobbit" preview (filmed with 3D gear) looked amazing!
Quote from: Rico on February 12, 2012, 04:31:23 PM
So, I went to see this today in a good size theater. Not a really big crowd at all. Overall, while I enjoyed seeing the movie again on the big screen I found the 3D effect fairly mediocre. It appeared obvious to me certain scenes that were effects heavy they were able to add some depth and "3D-ness" to the view, but much of the movie had nothing really altered. I slipped the glasses up and down several times during the film and it was interesting, the scenes that didn't seem to be touched much looked like a standard movie picture. When a scene with a little 3D showed up the scene would then show two distinct images that the 3D glasses trick your eyes and brain into seeing it with added depth or 3D. I have to say overall I was a bit disappointed. It appeared like many other converted to 3D films. Actually to me the picture wasn't nearly as bright, crisp and sharp as the Blu-Ray image on my HDTV.
Ok, now I know I've made my view on 3D films pretty well know but I went into this with as much of an open mind as I could. But ultimately I just still feel it's a gimmick and didn't add much at all to seeing the film. In fact like I said above I find the picture more vibrant and stunning on Blu-Ray. So, that's my initial impressions of this first converted film from GL.
P.S. I will say "The Hobbit" preview (filmed with 3D gear) looked amazing!
Yes, which is why natively filmed 3D can add a lot to the movie going experience. To be fair, the up conversion of TPM was as good as they could do, it can never compare to a natively filmed 3D movie. Still a fun way to go see these films again in theaters, IMO.
Andrew and I went this afternoon. I was a bit disappointed as well. The previews all looked great and then the beginning of the movie looked awesome. As the movie went forward I started to forget it was in 3D. Every once in awhile I would remember because the effect would be really strong. But here is where I had the problem. I have seen this movie many times... but somehow sitting in the big theater after paying a tidy some of cash for us to see it, I grew bored and even annoyed at the script and acting. I know, I know. I guess I just shook my head and thought... I liked this? Don't get me wrong, there are some really great moments, but they are very few compared with the original trilogy. The graphics are stunning, the music is amazing, but the story is very dull. Somehow I thought that the 3D would fix that for me... silly huh? I actually thought about leaving an hour into it because I was getting bored. Then I thought... "Hey I just paid a lot of money to see this and get these cool Darth Maul glasses." So I stayed, not before nodding off a couple of times. I guess it was cool to see Star Wars in a theater again. I think I'm spoiled with Clone Wars each week, now that show rocks. Maybe they could do that in 3D?
Congratulations George, you are now making even more money.
I'm sure the flying car chase in AOTC will be amazing in 3D.
Quote from: Rico on February 12, 2012, 04:31:23 PM
So, I went to see this today in a good size theater. Not a really big crowd at all. Overall, while I enjoyed seeing the movie again on the big screen I found the 3D effect fairly mediocre. It appeared obvious to me certain scenes that were effects heavy they were able to add some depth and "3D-ness" to the view, but much of the movie had nothing really altered. I slipped the glasses up and down several times during the film and it was interesting, the scenes that didn't seem to be touched much looked like a standard movie picture. When a scene with a little 3D showed up the scene would then show two distinct images that the 3D glasses trick your eyes and brain into seeing it with added depth or 3D. I have to say overall I was a bit disappointed. It appeared like many other converted to 3D films. Actually to me the picture wasn't nearly as bright, crisp and sharp as the Blu-Ray image on my HDTV.
Ok, now I know I've made my view on 3D films pretty well know but I went into this with as much of an open mind as I could. But ultimately I just still feel it's a gimmick and didn't add much at all to seeing the film. In fact like I said above I find the picture more vibrant and stunning on Blu-Ray. So, that's my initial impressions of this first converted film from GL.
P.S. I will say "The Hobbit" preview (filmed with 3D gear) looked amazing!
Quote from: moyer777 on February 12, 2012, 05:14:38 PM
Andrew and I went this afternoon. I was a bit disappointed as well. The previews all looked great and then the beginning of the movie looked awesome. As the movie went forward I started to forget it was in 3D. Every once in awhile I would remember because the effect would be really strong. But here is where I had the problem. I have seen this movie many times... but somehow sitting in the big theater after paying a tidy some of cash for us to see it, I grew bored and even annoyed at the script and acting. I know, I know. I guess I just shook my head and thought... I liked this? Don't get me wrong, there are some really great moments, but they are very few compared with the original trilogy. The graphics are stunning, the music is amazing, but the story is very dull. Somehow I thought that the 3D would fix that for me... silly huh? I actually thought about leaving an hour into it because I was getting bored. Then I thought... "Hey I just paid a lot of money to see this and get these cool Darth Maul glasses." So I stayed, not before nodding off a couple of times. I guess it was cool to see Star Wars in a theater again. I think I'm spoiled with Clone Wars each week, now that show rocks. Maybe they could do that in 3D?
Congratulations George, you are now making even more money.
At the end of the day, good or bad, TPM is still the same movie it always was, and not the best paced. But not to be to much of an apologist, for a movie that is not well received, and nearly 13 years old, to get released again to the big screen is an accomplishment. There are a lot of academy award winning movies and other blockbusters that no one would ever think about re releasing, as there would not be the interest. These Star Wars movies have a bit of a legacy to them that span generations, as when I went to the theatre, I saw a lot of parents with their kids, so whether a person views this as a good or bad movie, it is still a bit special.
The 3D was not overly strong, but I think at the end of the day, it was more a vehicle to get Star Wars back into the theatre's and on the big screen. Sort of like the Special Editions back in the 90's, it gives people a reason to go see these again on the big screen, or for that younger generation who did not see these at the theatre, and only TV. My nephews are 7 and 11, and they never saw the prequels/sequels in the theatre, they get their chance now. Maybe I will get some flack for this, but maybe more movies should do this. As the Marvel movies get older, maybe they should re release some of these so parents can share them with their children at some point. January, February and March is pretty dead for Movies that we like on this forum, so maybe if they went back and revisited some of the older movies and updated them a bit, would be more fun to go to the movies, then to see some half baked action movie, or sci-fi movie that is not strong enough to be released in the summer blockbuster season.
I know a lot of folks resent George Lucas, and feel he is dipping into the well to many times, but he has gotten a lot of life out of his movies. Star Wars has endured, so he has done a good job of keeping them in the public's conscience. Love him or hate him, it sure would have been nice if there was someone like that on the Star Trek side of things that would have shepperd it along, and we did not get that neglect after Enterprise got cancelled. They are doing much better now, with the new movies and going back and remastering the older series, but for a time it was pretty much left for dead. I suspect Paramount/CBS has seen how Lucasfilm has managed the Star Wars property, and that a little care can makes things go a long way. I have always thought, I will take George Lucas making his money off of Star Wars as we have a choice on that, over greedy execs and CEO's that affect people's standard of living and livelihood. I suspect George releasing his movies over and over again was not the reason the economy is in the state it is now.
Just my two cents :)
Quote from: moyer777 on February 12, 2012, 05:14:38 PM
Andrew and I went this afternoon. I was a bit disappointed as well. The previews all looked great and then the beginning of the movie looked awesome. As the movie went forward I started to forget it was in 3D. Every once in awhile I would remember because the effect would be really strong. But here is where I had the problem. I have seen this movie many times... but somehow sitting in the big theater after paying a tidy some of cash for us to see it, I grew bored and even annoyed at the script and acting. I know, I know. I guess I just shook my head and thought... I liked this? Don't get me wrong, there are some really great moments, but they are very few compared with the original trilogy. The graphics are stunning, the music is amazing, but the story is very dull. Somehow I thought that the 3D would fix that for me... silly huh? I actually thought about leaving an hour into it because I was getting bored. Then I thought... "Hey I just paid a lot of money to see this and get these cool Darth Maul glasses." So I stayed, not before nodding off a couple of times. I guess it was cool to see Star Wars in a theater again. I think I'm spoiled with Clone Wars each week, now that show rocks. Maybe they could do that in 3D?
Congratulations George, you are now making even more money.
And you summed up the exact reasons that I won't be seeing it. I love 3D, but I still remember how much this movie did not entertain me. As curious as I am to see what it looks like, I can't see myself ever paying money for this movie again. It could be in immersion VR and I'd still pass.
Jeff, I get what your saying, but there is no special bar from being re-released. If you want to do it and have a distributor, you can do it. It's not that hard. I've seen Star Trek on several re-releases and they even did it with Star Trek V. It doesn't say anything about anything other than a distributor wanted to show it again.
It also not like other films don't do the same thing. If they think they can make a dollar, then they do it. It has nothing to do with how George is handling the franchise or how it's being managed at all. It's about the dollars and I think it might be a play to try to get the title back from Avatar. Star wars has for a long time been in the top five of top grossing films ... until recent years. They aren't even in the top ten, but re-releases count to add dollars to that total and Right now Cameron is king.
The general reviews from you guys plus the high price tag of a 3D movie definitely do not make me interested in seeing this film. I don't mind TPM that much, but I certainly don't love it enough to see it for $15 a ticket...
King
I took the whole family went to the special event in Denver yesterday (90 minute drive!). The kids had a blast checking out everyone's costumes (Thanks 501st!). We all chipped in to help build the lego version of the poster. I think my daughter was so excited by the light sabers, she's ready to blow her entire saved allowance on one! My son (as Anakin) received a particularly warm greeting from a lovely woman dressed as Shmi right as we walked up - "Ani! Ani!" - many pictures taken and shared.
For me, the day was never about just the movie. At least for me. It was entirely about being able to share an amazing story from my childhood with my kids. They (6 and 10) weren't even born for most of the prequel releases. But they have been able to watch them at home on VHS, and now Blu Ray. And the Lego Star Wars game is lots of fun for all of us. But still, I felt something was missing...
No, yesterday, my kids got to see one in a series of movies that I devoured as a kid. On the big screen. In a theatre full of fans. In costume. With all the extra entertainment provided with the special event. It didn't matter that the 3D upgrade was so-so., quality-wise. I mean, it's not like the scene where they babble on about midichlorians is going to benefit from 3D. Now, the pod-racing, the ending duel, and the ending battle in space - 3D was at least entertaining there. And it felt like it was something special for them, too.
As for 3D movies in general, I'm decidedly on the fence. I think it *could* be used to fantastically augment a well-storyboarded movie. I think upgrading a movie that was "choreographed" for a 2D medium will only ever produce so-so results, unless lots of reshooting goes along with it. Let's face it, I never thought this release was made for me - you known, one of those kids who saw this in the theatre at 7. It was made for me to share. In a way that could never happen in a home video release. If a 3D upgrade is the necessary excuse that allows that to happen, I'm ok with that. Besides, we got in on Matinee prices, so it wasn't as big a hit to the wallet as it could have been... Still, for the full experience, well worth the price of admission.
P.S. Han shot first. Even my daughter knows that. ;)
Quote from: X on February 12, 2012, 07:32:07 PM
Quote from: moyer777 on February 12, 2012, 05:14:38 PM
Andrew and I went this afternoon. I was a bit disappointed as well. The previews all looked great and then the beginning of the movie looked awesome. As the movie went forward I started to forget it was in 3D. Every once in awhile I would remember because the effect would be really strong. But here is where I had the problem. I have seen this movie many times... but somehow sitting in the big theater after paying a tidy some of cash for us to see it, I grew bored and even annoyed at the script and acting. I know, I know. I guess I just shook my head and thought... I liked this? Don't get me wrong, there are some really great moments, but they are very few compared with the original trilogy. The graphics are stunning, the music is amazing, but the story is very dull. Somehow I thought that the 3D would fix that for me... silly huh? I actually thought about leaving an hour into it because I was getting bored. Then I thought... "Hey I just paid a lot of money to see this and get these cool Darth Maul glasses." So I stayed, not before nodding off a couple of times. I guess it was cool to see Star Wars in a theater again. I think I'm spoiled with Clone Wars each week, now that show rocks. Maybe they could do that in 3D?
Congratulations George, you are now making even more money.
And you summed up the exact reasons that I won't be seeing it. I love 3D, but I still remember how much this movie did not entertain me. As curious as I am to see what it looks like, I can't see myself ever paying money for this movie again. It could be in immersion VR and I'd still pass.
Jeff, I get what your saying, but there is no special bar from being re-released. If you want to do it and have a distributor, you can do it. It's not that hard. I've seen Star Trek on several re-releases and they even did it with Star Trek V. It doesn't say anything about anything other than a distributor wanted to show it again.
It also not like other films don't do the same thing. If they think they can make a dollar, then they do it. It has nothing to do with how George is handling the franchise or how it's being managed at all. It's about the dollars and I think it might be a play to try to get the title back from Avatar. Star wars has for a long time been in the top five of top grossing films ... until recent years. They aren't even in the top ten, but re-releases count to add dollars to that total and Right now Cameron is king.
I don't disagree about making money being the primary objective and they would not re release this if they did not feel that there was money to be made. But for a Movie this old, and in this day and age of so many movies out their, I think it is special this got the wide release it got. Other movies have been released, you are right, but not with as much promotion, and the only ones I can think off the top of my head, are the Disney ones.
I am not sure if the final goal is to beat Cameron, as I think Avatar has eclipsed whatever Star Wars could ever get, looking on IMDB Avatar leads the way, and by a big margin. The returns for these Star Wars movies will be modest in todays standards, I think they are projecting between 20 to 30 million for TPM and I saw it opened at 23, so suspect whatever it earns in the next few weeks will be considerably less, so that will not get it anywhere near Avatar. I think more so they just want to try and keep the Star Wars movies relevant with movie goers, and keep it in the minds of the public and younger generation, which then keeps the merchandise machine going.
Titanic is coming out in 3D, will be interested to see how that does, my gut tells me it might be more successful, since it has a wider appeal then TPM, so at the end of the Day Cameron is still King of the Box Office.
Quote from: ricdude on February 12, 2012, 08:04:52 PM
I took the whole family went to the special event in Denver yesterday (90 minute drive!). The kids had a blast checking out everyone's costumes (Thanks 501st!). We all chipped in to help build the lego version of the poster. I think my daughter was so excited by the light sabers, she's ready to blow her entire saved allowance on one! My son (as Anakin) received a particularly warm greeting from a lovely woman dressed as Shmi right as we walked up - "Ani! Ani!" - many pictures taken and shared.
For me, the day was never about just the movie. At least for me. It was entirely about being able to share an amazing story from my childhood with my kids. They (6 and 10) weren't even born for most of the prequel releases. But they have been able to watch them at home on VHS, and now Blu Ray. And the Lego Star Wars game is lots of fun for all of us. But still, I felt something was missing...
No, yesterday, my kids got to see one in a series of movies that I devoured as a kid. On the big screen. In a theatre full of fans. In costume. With all the extra entertainment provided with the special event. It didn't matter that the 3D upgrade was so-so., quality-wise. I mean, it's not like the scene where they babble on about midichlorians is going to benefit from 3D. Now, the pod-racing, the ending duel, and the ending battle in space - 3D was at least entertaining there. And it felt like it was something special for them, too.
As for 3D movies in general, I'm decidedly on the fence. I think it *could* be used to fantastically augment a well-storyboarded movie. I think upgrading a movie that was "choreographed" for a 2D medium will only ever produce so-so results, unless lots of reshooting goes along with it. Let's face it, I never thought this release was made for me - you known, one of those kids who saw this in the theatre at 7. It was made for me to share. In a way that could never happen in a home video release. If a 3D upgrade is the necessary excuse that allows that to happen, I'm ok with that. Besides, we got in on Matinee prices, so it wasn't as big a hit to the wallet as it could have been... Still, for the full experience, well worth the price of admission.
P.S. Han shot first. Even my daughter knows that. ;)
Cool Picture and Story Ricdude, sounds like you had a great time, as well as your kids. Must have been great to share Star Wars with them at a Movie theatre, with some of the excitement we got to experience when the movies came out the first time.
Quote from: Rico on February 12, 2012, 04:31:23 PM
So, I went to see this today in a good size theater. Not a really big crowd at all. Overall, while I enjoyed seeing the movie again on the big screen I found the 3D effect fairly mediocre. It appeared obvious to me certain scenes that were effects heavy they were able to add some depth and "3D-ness" to the view, but much of the movie had nothing really altered. I slipped the glasses up and down several times during the film and it was interesting, the scenes that didn't seem to be touched much looked like a standard movie picture. When a scene with a little 3D showed up the scene would then show two distinct images that the 3D glasses trick your eyes and brain into seeing it with added depth or 3D. I have to say overall I was a bit disappointed. It appeared like many other converted to 3D films. Actually to me the picture wasn't nearly as bright, crisp and sharp as the Blu-Ray image on my HDTV.
Ok, now I know I've made my view on 3D films pretty well know but I went into this with as much of an open mind as I could. But ultimately I just still feel it's a gimmick and didn't add much at all to seeing the film. In fact like I said above I find the picture more vibrant and stunning on Blu-Ray. So, that's my initial impressions of this first converted film from GL.
P.S. I will say "The Hobbit" preview (filmed with 3D gear) looked amazing!
It's no surprise you didn't find the picture any better than your blu-ray. Unfortunately George for some reason didn't encode his digital masters at 4K like most studios have been doing for years but went with 1080p. So all his 3D conversions will be sourced from this too.
Great pics ricdude! That's awesome to get the family into SW.
Quote from: Dangelus on February 13, 2012, 12:13:48 AM
Quote from: Rico on February 12, 2012, 04:31:23 PM
So, I went to see this today in a good size theater. Not a really big crowd at all. Overall, while I enjoyed seeing the movie again on the big screen I found the 3D effect fairly mediocre. It appeared obvious to me certain scenes that were effects heavy they were able to add some depth and "3D-ness" to the view, but much of the movie had nothing really altered. I slipped the glasses up and down several times during the film and it was interesting, the scenes that didn't seem to be touched much looked like a standard movie picture. When a scene with a little 3D showed up the scene would then show two distinct images that the 3D glasses trick your eyes and brain into seeing it with added depth or 3D. I have to say overall I was a bit disappointed. It appeared like many other converted to 3D films. Actually to me the picture wasn't nearly as bright, crisp and sharp as the Blu-Ray image on my HDTV.
Ok, now I know I've made my view on 3D films pretty well know but I went into this with as much of an open mind as I could. But ultimately I just still feel it's a gimmick and didn't add much at all to seeing the film. In fact like I said above I find the picture more vibrant and stunning on Blu-Ray. So, that's my initial impressions of this first converted film from GL.
P.S. I will say "The Hobbit" preview (filmed with 3D gear) looked amazing!
It's no surprise you didn't find the picture any better than your blu-ray. Unfortunately George for some reason didn't encode his digital masters at 4K like most studios have been doing for years but went with 1080p. So all his 3D conversions will be sourced from this too.
Yeah, I didn't get that either at first. My only guess is that he shot in 1080p as an early adopter and can't go up.
Actually, Phantom Menace was filmed on 35mm, the last Star Wars film to do so...
I really felt the clarity of the picture was much better then what I can recall. I also could see there were scenes which had no 3D compositing, noticed when I went to go the bathroom and removed the glasses. But that didn't bother me in the least. To be honest, I appreciate they exercised restraint in the up-conversion. I can't help but think that had they really gone and tried to make every scene appear 3D it would have looked clunky and people would have been complaining about that. I think they appreciated the limitation of doing this conversion. So I have an opportunity to see these movies with an amazing picture quality and some fun 3D effects. Well worth the $ IMO. I'll see it again and support their efforts to continue to do these releases.
No offense, but I am one (probably one of the ONLY ones), that like all 6 of the Star Wars movies. And I will most likely see this in 3D.
Quote from: QuadShot on February 13, 2012, 07:22:45 AM
No offense, but I am one (probably one of the ONLY ones), that like all 6 of the Star Wars movies. And I will most likely see this in 3D.
None taken. :) TPM has really grown on me, I think visually it may be the prettiest STAR WARS movie, perhgaps because it was filmed in 35MM and not digital. I think I might actuall prefer it to ATOC.
Someone pointed out that ESB has the ultimate shocker with Darth saying "I'm your father" shame that suprise will never have the effect on new viewers than it did on us.
Quote from: HawkeyeMeds on February 13, 2012, 08:12:01 AM
Someone pointed out that ESB has the ultimate shocker with Darth saying "I'm your father" shame that suprise will never have the effect on new viewers than it did on us.
He will probably change the audio and rework that scene in the future since now his "vision" is complete and like you say that reveal is redundant to new viewers. Wouldn't put it past him. :(
Quote from: X on February 13, 2012, 05:18:26 AM
Quote from: Dangelus on February 13, 2012, 12:13:48 AM
Quote from: Rico on February 12, 2012, 04:31:23 PM
So, I went to see this today in a good size theater. Not a really big crowd at all. Overall, while I enjoyed seeing the movie again on the big screen I found the 3D effect fairly mediocre. It appeared obvious to me certain scenes that were effects heavy they were able to add some depth and "3D-ness" to the view, but much of the movie had nothing really altered. I slipped the glasses up and down several times during the film and it was interesting, the scenes that didn't seem to be touched much looked like a standard movie picture. When a scene with a little 3D showed up the scene would then show two distinct images that the 3D glasses trick your eyes and brain into seeing it with added depth or 3D. I have to say overall I was a bit disappointed. It appeared like many other converted to 3D films. Actually to me the picture wasn't nearly as bright, crisp and sharp as the Blu-Ray image on my HDTV.
Ok, now I know I've made my view on 3D films pretty well know but I went into this with as much of an open mind as I could. But ultimately I just still feel it's a gimmick and didn't add much at all to seeing the film. In fact like I said above I find the picture more vibrant and stunning on Blu-Ray. So, that's my initial impressions of this first converted film from GL.
P.S. I will say "The Hobbit" preview (filmed with 3D gear) looked amazing!
It's no surprise you didn't find the picture any better than your blu-ray. Unfortunately George for some reason didn't encode his digital masters at 4K like most studios have been doing for years but went with 1080p. So all his 3D conversions will be sourced from this too.
Yeah, I didn't get that either at first. My only guess is that he shot in 1080p as an early adopter and can't go up.
Quote from: ricdude on February 13, 2012, 05:54:55 AM
Actually, Phantom Menace was filmed on 35mm, the last Star Wars film to do so...
Yes the original negatives (at least for the original trilogy and TPM were shot on film so a much higher resolution digital transfer like 4K could have been achieved. Virtually every other movie even in the late nineties were transferring to 4K already but George inexplicably went with 1080p. Since all future releases are based on these digital masters (with the added SFX) then no higher resolution is possible from these without up conversion.
It wont be long before we have 4K consumer TVs in the stores and no doubt the successor to Blu-Ray will have 4K resolution. He would have to go back to the original negatives and rescan them for a "real" release on this format.
@HawkeyeMeds: I think that revelation will still carry some shock value, as It is still a shock to Luke, after all. At that point in the story, we're focused on Luke's journey, and his reaction makes that moment pretty damn intense for the audience.
Even if *we* know the truth about their relationship, *he* is only finding out now, and the doubts he has about the truth of the statement still drive his character, and the plot forward.
Has anyone here actually shown the series to someone unfamiliar with it in plot-chronological order? Any data one way or the other?
I like the idea of showing someone who has never seen the films in the following order: 4,5,1,2,3,6
Quote from: Bryancd on February 13, 2012, 10:19:09 AM
I like the idea of showing someone who has never seen the films in the following order: 4,5,1,2,3,6
That order is the way I think someone new to the series should view it as well. Next Time I watch the movies through, I am going to watch them in that order.
I don't understand that order at all? Are you guys being funny or serious? Cuz, that order would confuse completely...
Quote from: QuadShot on February 13, 2012, 11:11:58 AM
I don't understand that order at all? Are you guys being funny or serious? Cuz, that order would confuse completely...
That is a serious order, I have heard it mentioned elsewhere before. ANH and ESB would follow luke and setup Vader as a bad guy, then you have the reveal of Vader as Lukes Father. Then go back and Tell how Anakin became Vader in the prequels. Then finish off with Jedi and Vaders redemption. Also it would add in some more time for a person to agonize over the fate of Han :) .
Quote from: QuadShot on February 13, 2012, 11:11:58 AM
I don't understand that order at all? Are you guys being funny or serious? Cuz, that order would confuse completely...
Yup, go to the cliffhanger, then go back to see "How did we get to this point", then end the series.
Quote from: QuadShot on February 13, 2012, 11:11:58 AM
I don't understand that order at all? Are you guys being funny or serious? Cuz, that order would confuse completely...
Think about it, Al. Start with A New Hope and Empire to follow the great story about Luke and the mysterious villan Darth Vader. End with the revaltion about Vader being his father. Now flash back to the prequels and show the story of Vader/Lukes father. That way you can enjoy the OT and PT at the same time. Then jump back and conclude the story with Return of the Jedi. It allows someone to enjoy the Luke journey, which let's face it is way better then Anakins, and still have the revlation in ESB have impact.
Quote from: Bryancd on February 13, 2012, 11:17:43 AM
Quote from: QuadShot on February 13, 2012, 11:11:58 AM
I don't understand that order at all? Are you guys being funny or serious? Cuz, that order would confuse completely...
Think about it, Al. Start with A New Hope and Empire to follow the great story about Luke and the mysterious villan Darth Vader. End with the revaltion about Vader being his father. Now flash back to the prequels and show the story of Vader/Lukes father. That way you can enjoy the OT and PT at the same time. Then jump back and conclude the story with Return of the Jedi. It allows someone to enjoy the Luke journey, which let's face it is way better then Anakins, and still have the revlation in ESB have impact.
And it all ends with muppets!
Nub nub!
Seems a plausible way to watch them.
Of course my preferred order will always be 4,5,6 ;)
It gives me so much joy to be able to love all 6 of these films without reservation. Just sayin' :) I have enough in my life to be cynical about, STAR WARS will never be one of them.
Quote from: Bryancd on February 13, 2012, 11:34:32 AM
It gives me so much joy to be able to love all 6 of these films without reservation. Just sayin' :) I have enough in my life to be cynical about, STAR WARS will never be one of them.
Couldn't have said it better Bryan!!!
Quote from: Geekyfanboy on February 13, 2012, 11:39:48 AM
Quote from: Bryancd on February 13, 2012, 11:34:32 AM
It gives me so much joy to be able to love all 6 of these films without reservation. Just sayin' :) I have enough in my life to be cynical about, STAR WARS will never be one of them.
Couldn't have said it better Bryan!!!
Hey Kenny, I saw on Twitter you went to see the movie, what did you think?
Quote from: Bryancd on February 13, 2012, 11:41:02 AM
Quote from: Geekyfanboy on February 13, 2012, 11:39:48 AM
Quote from: Bryancd on February 13, 2012, 11:34:32 AM
It gives me so much joy to be able to love all 6 of these films without reservation. Just sayin' :) I have enough in my life to be cynical about, STAR WARS will never be one of them.
Couldn't have said it better Bryan!!!
Hey Kenny, I saw on Twitter you went to see the movie, what did you think?
I LOVED seeing Star Wars on the big screen again with my friends. The 3D was cool but very understated. A few scenes stood out but for the most part I really didn't see a difference.
I don't think cynical is the right word Bry, if you don't like it then you simply don't like it. If we are honest and you have to get out of the fan boy mode (I'm talking general and not at you) you have to admit that TPM is not really great film (compared to the last three), it's not a bad thing to say. I get the impression that people think its sacrilege to not like a Star Wars film. Its the same with Trek. God help you if you don't like Khan.
Over the past few days Ive been reading reviews and comments (Not here by the way) and so many times you see people getting seriously bashed for saying they don't like TPM and the when you read down and someone says "well have you seen it on 3D?" and the person who's been bashing says "no, its star wars its always great" I mean really? come on.
@Kenny I know that when i go and see it (and although as i have stated many times that ist not my favourite film) that as soon as the music starts i will get super excited. I adore the light saber duels and that would be worth my money alone.
Quote from: Bryancd on February 13, 2012, 11:34:32 AM
It gives me so much joy to be able to love all 6 of these films without reservation. Just sayin' :) I have enough in my life to be cynical about, STAR WARS will never be one of them.
this is a real good way to look at it.
The three prequel movies could never have had the same impact on me as the first three because I wasn't 12 when I saw them for the first time. That said, even with their admitted flaws those three movies brought me more joy than most films do these days. I'll lump in Kingdom of the Crystal Skull with that statement too, and add that I wonder why some of the folks here don't cut Indy's latest the same slack they cut the Star Wars prequel trilogy?
Oh I think you are right there, its like I said on my podcast the other day, a kind of OK Star Wars film is so much better than some of the so called good films out now. As for Crystal Skull, I'm sorry Joby, I'm still receiving counselling, ;)
Quote from: HawkeyeMeds on February 13, 2012, 12:06:03 PM
I don't think cynical is the right word Bry, if you don't like it then you simply don't like it. If we are honest and you have to get out of the fan boy mode (I'm talking general and not at you) you have to admit that TPM is not really great film (compared to the last three), it's not a bad thing to say. I get the impression that people think its sacrilege to not like a Star Wars film. Its the same with Trek. God help you if you don't like Khan.
Over the past few days Ive been reading reviews and comments (Not here by the way) and so many times you see people getting seriously bashed for saying they don't like TPM and the when you read down and someone says "well have you seen it on 3D?" and the person who's been bashing says "no, its star wars its always great" I mean really? come on.
@Kenny I know that when i go and see it (and although as i have stated many times that ist not my favourite film) that as soon as the music starts i will get super excited. I adore the light saber duels and that would be worth my money alone.
It's interesting that for the first time I get a sense that some fanboys have gone to see a Star Wars product and they are less than satisfied but they are also voicing this. I think many went expecting to see "Avatar" quality 3D and were sadly disappointed.
George has many resources and talented people on the payroll but even they can't do much with a 13 year old live action movie whose source in 1080p. It's an up convert, pure and simple.
Perhaps not cynical towards the films but more so towards their creator. ;) No, for sure there is varying degree of quality and being critical of that is fair game. I for one really do love them all and despite some clunkiness and real groaners, the films make me very happy when I am watching them. I also disagree that there's some odd online sentiment of people trying to like he 3D release. If anything i have seen the GL bashing reach new heights the forums of the RPF, SWAN, and ForceCast. This is also being directed at the movie and I think it's a but much. If you seriously bough a ticket to this movie and were expecting AVATAR quality 3D then that's was an impossible expectation to meet.
And can we take it easy with the "fanboy" stuff. I feel like that's directed towards me and to be honest, I find it a bit insulting. I never liked that expression.
Sorry about that Bryan but I honestly didn't intend it to be derogatory. I would truely consider myself a fanboy of certain things but I get the message.
Quote from: Dangelus on February 13, 2012, 01:45:00 PM
Sorry about that Bryan but I honestly didn't intend it to be derogatory. I would truely consider myself a fanboy of certain things but I get the message.
It's ok, Ik now that's not your intent and you are just taking the piss, I just hate that expression. It sort of has the connotation of "fanboys like crap and don't know it's crap while the rest of us of more sophisticated reasoning laugh at them". Would rather not be that. :)
Quote from: Bryancd on February 13, 2012, 01:53:17 PM
Quote from: Dangelus on February 13, 2012, 01:45:00 PM
Sorry about that Bryan but I honestly didn't intend it to be derogatory. I would truely consider myself a fanboy of certain things but I get the message.
It's ok, Ik now that's not your intent and you are just taking the piss, I just hate that expression. It sort of has the connotation of "fanboys like crap and don't know it's crap while the rest of us of more sophisticated reasoning laugh at them". Would rather not be that. :)
To me the definition at its worst would be being emotionally invested in something making it difficult to have an impartial opinion on said subject. Crap or otherwise ;)
Quote from: Dangelus on February 13, 2012, 01:59:16 PM
To me the definition at its worst would be being emotionally invested in something making it difficult to have an impartial opinion on said subject. Crap or otherwise ;)
Better said and what I would expect from a fine gentleman as yourself. I think others less kind on the internet use it almost like a weapon.
And I certainly meant no insult to you Bry as I said in my post my comment in brackets it's not aimed at you, especially as you have already given a honest point of view from watching the film along with Rick and Kenny.
Now how about a topless shot with you and your 3D glasses on ;)
I am ambivalent to the Star Wars films these days. Overall, I still enjoy them and certain lines like "You were my brother Anakin" by Obi-Wan holds a lot of weight every time I watch that scene in Ep3. Jar Jar is overblown if I'm honest. I can think of characters easily more annoying than him in modern TV/movies. Is he a bit silly? Sure, but I don't groan every time I see him. (Except when he was voiced by someone different in the Clone Wars who did a horrible voice acting job...I was so grateful to have the old voice actor back).
I'm finding the fanboy/hater "war" exhausting though, so I stay out of the Star Wars circles because of it. I find that both sides have big blind spots that you can drive trucks through.
King
Quote from: HawkeyeMeds on February 13, 2012, 02:04:24 PM
Now how about a topless shot with you and your 3D glasses on ;)
:biggrin
Quote from: Bryancd on February 13, 2012, 02:34:33 PM
Quote from: HawkeyeMeds on February 13, 2012, 02:04:24 PM
Now how about a topless shot with you and your 3D glasses on ;)
:biggrin
Should be a topless pic IN 3D surely? ;)
Looks like the weekend total box office was about $22.5 million and TPM (3D) came in fourth place. I have no idea if that's good enough or not for Fox/Lucas. We'll see how it holds up in the coming weeks.
Quote from: Rico on February 13, 2012, 03:21:12 PM
Looks like the weekend total box office was about $22.5 million and TPM (3D) came in fourth place. I have no idea if that's good enough or not for Fox/Lucas. We'll see how it holds up in the coming weeks.
From a report I heard on SWAN, Arnie said Fox was looking for a $20 million opening weekend, so this is a beat and bodes well for us seeing more releases. McCallum even said so much in a recent interview they discussed on the ForceCast, they are already working on parts of the OT.
I'd imagine the subsequent movies would gross more than TPM too. I doubt they'd drop plans for future 3D releases on this basis.
Quote from: Dangelus on February 13, 2012, 03:33:40 PM
I'd imagine the subsequent movies would gross more than TPM too. I doubt they'd drop plans for future 3D releases on this basis.
For sure, and then if you factor in 3D TV's being more available in the future, they will want to be able to offer 3D versions of all the films. So this can defer all the costs for that eventual release. Brilliant.
I have also been hearing that the quality of the theater makes a difference in how good the image quality is which makes sense.
Just want to thank you Bryan for sticking up for the movies, and saying what I was thinking myself. I to like both the Original Trilogy and the Prequels, maybe I am a fanboy, but I do agree there are some spots in the movies that could be a bit better, but I never really understood why people would write off the movies as garbage and the worst movies ever made. I guess that comes up for Trek as well, as being a Star Trek fan I have watched every minute of every series and movie to date, but always was puzzled why some people would claim they were big Star Trek fans, but refuse to watch a series, or spend time tearing it down. Guess that is just me :)
Quote from: jedijeff on February 13, 2012, 04:20:37 PM
Just want to thank you Bryan for sticking up for the movies, and saying what I was thinking myself. I to like both the Original Trilogy and the Prequels, maybe I am a fanboy, but I do agree there are some spots in the movies that could be a bit better, but I never really understood why people would write off the movies as garbage and the worst movies ever made. I guess that comes up for Trek as well, as being a Star Trek fan I have watched every minute of every series and movie to date, but always was puzzled why some people would claim they were big Star Trek fans, but refuse to watch a series, or spend time tearing it down. Guess that is just me :)
Yeah, I tend to agree with this mindset. The first Star Wars movie was a HUGE movie for my generation and we put it on a pedestal. I don't even think the actual movie is as good as my IDEA of how good it was (if that makes any sense). My mind went nuts when I started hearing about the prequels in the late '80s. No way they could have lived up to the hype. They are good, in their way, and even though I notive many flaws in storytelling and acting, I still LOVE them. I don't know what that says about me. I'm certainly very critical of other movies and have bailed on many with less flaws. I'm not sure being a 'fanboy' is a bad thing. I get to completely enjoy something even after 35 years. That's pretty impressive. Annie Hall won Best Picture for 1977. Don't see too many people having group viewings or dressing up like Diane Keaton.
Quote from: Chris-El on February 13, 2012, 04:42:59 PM
Annie Hall won Best Picture for 1977. Don't see to many people having group viewings or dressing up like Diane Keaton.
You weren't in 7th grade with me back then - when all the girls dressed like Annie Hall. :) Although you are spot on about the group viewings...
Quote from: Bromptonboy on February 13, 2012, 04:50:18 PM
Quote from: Chris-El on February 13, 2012, 04:42:59 PM
Annie Hall won Best Picture for 1977. Don't see to many people having group viewings or dressing up like Diane Keaton.
You weren't in 7th grade with me back then - when all the girls dressed like Annie Hall. :) Although you are spot on about the group viewings...
HaHa, No...I was in pre-k. My style was comprised of shirts with turtles, dinosaurs, or Spider-Man on them. I mean, when something becomes a phenomenon, it doesn't age. I have watched the Godfather once a year for 20 years. It never gets old for me. Maybe I'm mental and have to watch movies over and over and over. Strike that, I AM mental, not maybe.
Quote from: Bryancd on February 13, 2012, 04:09:03 PM
I have also been hearing that the quality of the theater makes a difference in how good the image quality is which makes sense.
Just to be clear, the viewing I saw yesterday was in a top notch theater. Actually it's the same theater that's been voted the best in SE Michigan several years in a row. My Blu-Ray disc on my HDTV at home still looks better. Now, back when I saw the prequels in this theater in non-3D they looked vibrant and amazing.
Quote from: Chris-El on February 13, 2012, 04:42:59 PM
Quote from: jedijeff on February 13, 2012, 04:20:37 PM
Just want to thank you Bryan for sticking up for the movies, and saying what I was thinking myself. I to like both the Original Trilogy and the Prequels, maybe I am a fanboy, but I do agree there are some spots in the movies that could be a bit better, but I never really understood why people would write off the movies as garbage and the worst movies ever made. I guess that comes up for Trek as well, as being a Star Trek fan I have watched every minute of every series and movie to date, but always was puzzled why some people would claim they were big Star Trek fans, but refuse to watch a series, or spend time tearing it down. Guess that is just me :)
Yeah, I tend to agree with this mindset. The first Star Wars movie was a HUGE movie for my generation and we put it on a pedestal. I don't even think the actual movie is as good as my IDEA of how good it was (if that makes any sense). My mind went nuts when I started hearing about the prequels in the late '80s. No way they could have lived up to the hype. They are good, in their way, and even though I notive many flaws in storytelling and acting, I still LOVE them. I don't know what that says about me. I'm certainly very critical of other movies and have bailed on many with less flaws. I'm not sure being a 'fanboy' is a bad thing. I get to completely enjoy something even after 35 years. That's pretty impressive. Annie Hall won Best Picture for 1977. Don't see too many people having group viewings or dressing up like Diane Keaton.
I have to agree with you here with some of this. I love the OT, but if I have to be honest with myself, they are heavily flawed and clunky on the dialog. It doesn't take away from my enjoyment of them, but I'd be a fool to put them anywhere on my top best of lists. If I continue to be honest with myself, The new trilogy isn't anywhere worse than the OT in terms of visuals or dialog. Most of the visuals are better, but I can't put my childhood brain into my adult body and accept flaws that I could ignore as a child. The PT is easily on par with the OT in all aspect if not better films as a whole, but I'm just not the same kid I was and what was great as a child doesn't mean the same thing as an adult. Hell, an empty cardboard box was great as a child...
Quote from: X on February 13, 2012, 05:11:08 PM
Quote from: Chris-El on February 13, 2012, 04:42:59 PM
Quote from: jedijeff on February 13, 2012, 04:20:37 PM
Just want to thank you Bryan for sticking up for the movies, and saying what I was thinking myself. I to like both the Original Trilogy and the Prequels, maybe I am a fanboy, but I do agree there are some spots in the movies that could be a bit better, but I never really understood why people would write off the movies as garbage and the worst movies ever made. I guess that comes up for Trek as well, as being a Star Trek fan I have watched every minute of every series and movie to date, but always was puzzled why some people would claim they were big Star Trek fans, but refuse to watch a series, or spend time tearing it down. Guess that is just me :)
Yeah, I tend to agree with this mindset. The first Star Wars movie was a HUGE movie for my generation and we put it on a pedestal. I don't even think the actual movie is as good as my IDEA of how good it was (if that makes any sense). My mind went nuts when I started hearing about the prequels in the late '80s. No way they could have lived up to the hype. They are good, in their way, and even though I notive many flaws in storytelling and acting, I still LOVE them. I don't know what that says about me. I'm certainly very critical of other movies and have bailed on many with less flaws. I'm not sure being a 'fanboy' is a bad thing. I get to completely enjoy something even after 35 years. That's pretty impressive. Annie Hall won Best Picture for 1977. Don't see too many people having group viewings or dressing up like Diane Keaton.
I have to agree with you here with some of this. I love the OT, but if I have to be honest with myself, they are heavily flawed and clunky on the dialog. It doesn't take away from my enjoyment of them, but I'd be a fool to put them anywhere on my top best of lists. If I continue to be honest with myself, The new trilogy isn't anywhere worse than the OT in terms of visuals or dialog. Most of the visuals are better, but I can't put my childhood brain into my adult body and accept flaws that I could ignore as a child. The PT is easily on par with the OT in all aspect if not better films as a whole, but I'm just not the same kid I was and what was great as a child doesn't mean the same thing as an adult. Hell, an empty cardboard box was great as a child...
Well stated. My 9 year-old self would have loved the crap out of the prequels. Losing childhood wonder is a tough thing when you realize it's happened!
If anyone says the acting in AOTC is good I'm flying over there and gluing shirts on Bryan ;)
I don't think anything THAT crazy has been said.
Quote from: HawkeyeMeds on February 14, 2012, 12:17:44 AM
If anyone says the acting in AOTC is good I'm flying over there and gluing shirts on Bryan ;)
LOL non one is saying that at all. Merely, take the OT, and honestly consider how you would judge it if, as in the thought exercise Al brought up, everything was done exactly as it was and released today. I really can't say that there was worse acting. I think that it was pretty on par with the other movies in the franchise when you take away the magic of childhood nostalgia. Were the Ewoks any less annoying to our parents as Jar Jar was to us? The OT has a place of magic in my heart, but it's not Ben Hur. Love, as they say, is blind and I think that the PT is pretty much the twin sister of the girl we love, but somehow see them as ugly compare to her identical looking sibling..
Quote from: HawkeyeMeds on February 14, 2012, 12:17:44 AM
If anyone says the acting in AOTC is good I'm flying over there and gluing shirts on Bryan ;)
Ok, the acting in Attack of the Clones was good...there, I said it now fly your cheeky arse over here and get to gluing!! :)
LOL! Yeah, in terms of clunky, awkward dialogue and wooden performances, AOTC takes the turd cake. :)
Quote from: Bryancd on February 14, 2012, 06:43:55 AM
LOL! Yeah, in terms of clunky, awkward dialogue and wooden performances, AOTC takes the turd cake. :)
You just don't appreciate Anakin and Padme's well crafted admonitions of love! :D
Does any of it beat "Are you an angel?"
Quote from: Bryancd on February 14, 2012, 06:43:55 AM
LOL! Yeah, in terms of clunky, awkward dialogue and wooden performances, AOTC takes the turd cake. :)
Oh my, lol takes the turd cake ha ha oh that's a keeper.
Yeah...
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PADMÉ: Anakin, no.
ANAKIN: From the moment I met you, all those years ago, a day hasn't gone by when I haven't thought of you. And now that I'm with you again, I'm in agony. The closer I get to you, the worse it gets. The thought of not being with you makes my stomach turn over - my mouth goes dry. I feel dizzy. I can't breathe. I'm haunted by the kiss you should never have given me. My heart is beating, hoping that kiss will not become a scar. You are in my very soul, tormenting me. What can I do? I ill do anything you ask...
Silence. The logs flame in the hearth. PADMÉ meets his eye, then looks away.
ANAKIN: If you are suffering as much as I am, tell me.
PADMÉ: ...I can't. We can't. It's just not possible.
ANAKIN: Anything's possible. Padmé, please listen...
PADMÉ: You listen. We live in a real world. Come back to it. You're studying to become a Jedi Knight. I'm a Senator. If you follow your thoughts through to conclusion, they will take us to a place we cannot go... regardless of the way we feel about each other.
ANAKIN: Then you do feel something!
PADMÉ: Jedi aren't allowed to marry. You'd be expelled from the Order. I will not let you give up your future for me.
ANAKIN: You're asking me to be rational. That is something I know I cannot do. Believe me, I wish I could wish my feelings away... but I can't.
PADMÉ: I am not going to give in to this. I have more important things to do than fall in love.
There is silence as they stare at the fire. ANAKIN is thinking.
ANAKIN: It wouldn't have to be that way... we could keep it a secret.
PADMÉ: Then we'd be living a lie - one we couldn't keep up even if we wanted to. Mt sister saw it. So did my mother. I couldn't do that. Could you, Anakin? Could you live like that?
Silence for a moment.
ANAKIN: No. You're right. It would destroy us.
People do talk like that! Here's a conversation I had with my wife right before we got married:
Becky: Joby, no.
Joby: From the moment I met you, all those years ago, a day hasn't gone by when I haven't thought of you. And now that I'm with you again, I'm in agony. The closer I get to you, the worse it gets. The thought of not being with you makes my stomach turn over - my mouth goes dry. I feel dizzy. I can't breathe. I'm haunted by the kiss you should never have given me. My heart is beating, hoping that kiss will not become a scar. You are in my very soul, tormenting me. What can I do? I ill do anything you ask...
Joby: If you are suffering as much as I am, tell me.
Becky: ...I can't. We can't. It's just not possible.
Joby: Anything's possible. Becky, please listen...
Becky: You listen. We live in a real world. Come back to it. You're studying to become a Public Health Program Analyst. I'm a Social Worker. If you follow your thoughts through to conclusion, they will take us to a place we cannot go... regardless of the way we feel about each other.
Joby: Then you do feel something!
Becky: Jews and Catholics aren't allowed to marry. You'd be expelled from the Synogogue. I will not let you give up your future for me.
Joby: You're asking me to be rational. That is something I know I cannot do. Believe me, I wish I could wish my feelings away... but I can't.
Becky: I am not going to give in to this. I have more important things to do than fall in love.
There is silence as they stare at the fire. Joby is thinking.
Joby: It wouldn't have to be that way... we could keep it a secret.
Becky: Then we'd be living a lie - one we couldn't keep up even if we wanted to. My sister saw it. So did my mother. I couldn't do that. Could you, Joby? Could you live like that?
Silence for a moment.
Joby: No. You're right. It would destroy us.
^Post of the week! LMAO!!!!!
Ah-hah!! Good one. Revenge of the Shiksa .... in 3D.........
Sand...its so course and rough....
Bah, forget it, you win Joby. :P
King
actually, that's not that bad. sure it's not something someone from here would be saying, but I like how it's a throwback to the flowery speak of old plays. Remember that this film is a sci-fi period piece and that the language used isn't going to always sync with our syntax and cadence.
Are the words any less flowery than something we'd see from the pen of Bill Shakespeare? Hell, if you think about it, it's pretty similar in tone to the words of two other doomed star cross'd lovers.
I still to this day can't seem to fathom what this little gem is supposed to imply from ROTS:
"PADME: Annie, I want to have our baby back home on Naboo. We could go to the lake country where no one would know . . . where we would be safe. I could go early-and fix up the baby's room. I know the perfect spot, right by the gardens.
ANAKIN: You are so beautiful!
PADME: It's only because I'm so in love . . .
ANAKIN: No, it's because I'm so in love with you.
PADME: So love has blinded you?
ANAKIN: Well, that's not exactly what I meant . . .
PADME: But it's probably true!
They laugh. "
WTF?
kids being kids
You ever been around a pregnant woman Bryan? They're nutso.
Give me a bucket lol I could never look at my actors if I gave them that crap to read out. I mean we all know what Harrison said regards Star Wars but when you see it on screen it was great but that scene above is dire. I remember the cinema bursting out into
Laughter.
Quote from: X on February 14, 2012, 03:41:14 PM
actually, that's not that bad. sure it's not something someone from here would be saying, but I like how it's a throwback to the flowery speak of old plays. Remember that this film is a sci-fi period piece and that the language used isn't going to always sync with our syntax and cadence.
Are the words any less flowery than something we'd see from the pen of Bill Shakespeare? Hell, if you think about it, it's pretty similar in tone to the words of two other doomed star cross'd lovers.
Absolutely right X. In fact, let's not forget that Lucas himself was inspired by the old serials from the 30's-50's, and that's kind of how they talked. So I personally think it's kind of nice. I get so tired of the lazy way most writers pen verbal interaction in movies anymore, it's refreshing to hear some classic type lines...
Quote from: X on February 14, 2012, 03:41:14 PM
actually, that's not that bad. sure it's not something someone from here would be saying, but I like how it's a throwback to the flowery speak of old plays. Remember that this film is a sci-fi period piece and that the language used isn't going to always sync with our syntax and cadence.
Are the words any less flowery than something we'd see from the pen of Bill Shakespeare? Hell, if you think about it, it's pretty similar in tone to the words of two other doomed star cross'd lovers.
Yeah, that scene never bothered me much nor does the one by the waterfall in AOTC. The exchange they have while sitting on the blanket is charming. Where that secen gets odd is the end rolling in the grass with padme laying on top of him. It's like "HELLO!"
Now, the "sand is course..." pre-kiss overlooking the lake scene is also a clunker.
Quote from: Bryancd on February 15, 2012, 07:19:10 AM
Quote from: X on February 14, 2012, 03:41:14 PM
actually, that's not that bad. sure it's not something someone from here would be saying, but I like how it's a throwback to the flowery speak of old plays. Remember that this film is a sci-fi period piece and that the language used isn't going to always sync with our syntax and cadence.
Are the words any less flowery than something we'd see from the pen of Bill Shakespeare? Hell, if you think about it, it's pretty similar in tone to the words of two other doomed star cross'd lovers.
Yeah, that scene never bothered me much nor does the one by the waterfall in AOTC. The exchange they have while sitting on the blanket is charming. Where that secen gets odd is the end rolling in the grass with padme laying on top of him. It's like "HELLO!"
Now, the "sand is course..." pre-kiss overlooking the lake scene is also a clunker.
But as a whole, it's better than New Hope's dialog.
Quote from: X on February 15, 2012, 07:32:15 AM
But as a whole, it's better than New Hope's dialog.
Wow, I REALLY don't feel that way at all.
Quote from: Bryancd on February 15, 2012, 07:48:47 AM
Quote from: X on February 15, 2012, 07:32:15 AM
But as a whole, it's better than New Hope's dialog.
Wow, I REALLY don't feel that way at all.
LOL! Take away the nostalgia and compare it.
Script wise, I think that it's way better in terms of plot than ANH.
I really love how they are trying to get back the plans to the death star in that one and while having no problems boarding and blasting people on the ship and torturing barely legal teens, they decide to be green and not spend the extra energy it would take to blow up an escape pod that might be the transport of a data disc containing what they need to destroy.
When I watched these movies with my wife (a non-scifi geek), she laughed when she saw the outfits that Padme wore while boating, and having a picnic with Anakin. Nothing like a voluminous flowing gown for a picnic and stroll in the park... ;)
Quote from: X on February 15, 2012, 08:06:36 AM
Quote from: Bryancd on February 15, 2012, 07:48:47 AM
Quote from: X on February 15, 2012, 07:32:15 AM
But as a whole, it's better than New Hope's dialog.
Wow, I REALLY don't feel that way at all.
LOL! Take away the nostalgia and compare it.
Script wise, I think that it's way better in terms of plot than ANH.
I really love how they are trying to get back the plans to the death star in that one and while having no problems boarding and blasting people on the ship and torturing barely legal teens, they decide to be green and not spend the extra energy it would take to blow up an escape pod that might be the transport of a data disc containing what they need to destroy.
It's not the nostalgia, I think the script in ANH is way sharper then the few scenes from the prequal discussed above. Overall, I think the prequals are very well written.
I will always favor the Original trilogy for many reasons. But I get enjoyment from the prequels too.
What I find interesting is how this thread has turned into a discussion of the merits of the various movies in the whole series and far away from TPM in 3D.
Quote from: Rico on February 15, 2012, 08:31:48 AM
I will always favor the Original trilogy for many reasons. But I get enjoyment from the prequels too.
What I find interesting is how this thread has turned into a discussion of the merits of the various movies in the whole series and far away from TPM in 3D.
It is very interesting. Possibly unavoidable in any discussion of the prequel trilogy, and I wonder what that says about the series as a whole.
Quote from: Jobydrone on February 15, 2012, 08:35:00 AM
Quote from: Rico on February 15, 2012, 08:31:48 AM
I will always favor the Original trilogy for many reasons. But I get enjoyment from the prequels too.
What I find interesting is how this thread has turned into a discussion of the merits of the various movies in the whole series and far away from TPM in 3D.
It is very interesting. Possibly unavoidable in any discussion of the prequel trilogy, and I wonder what that says about the series as a whole.
Just bidding our time until someone else has a review! And wee need to keep this alive and kicking until we start an AOTC 3D thread...
Maybe I'll bring my kids to see it. I dunno, though, last time I took them to a 3D movie they complained about the glasses the whole time and wound up watching the movie all blurry without them.
All I can say is I wish the whole of Human Kind used such passion to find the positive aspects of other things in this world as Star Wars do when defending their franchise! Sheesh.
Quote from: Dangelus on February 15, 2012, 08:55:17 AM
All I can say is I wish the whole of Human Kind used such passion to find the positive aspects of other things in this world as Star Wars do when defending their franchise! Sheesh.
Why? I like STAR WARS way more then most people in the world.
Quote from: Bryancd on February 15, 2012, 08:56:24 AM
Quote from: Dangelus on February 15, 2012, 08:55:17 AM
All I can say is I wish the whole of Human Kind used such passion to find the positive aspects of other things in this world as Star Wars do when defending their franchise! Sheesh.
Why? I like STAR WARS way more then most people in the world.
I just mean a Star Wars fan is well versed in putting a positive spin on it. Unusual in a mostly negative world.
Quote from: Dangelus on February 15, 2012, 08:55:17 AM
All I can say is I wish the whole of Human Kind used such passion to find the positive aspects of other things in this world as Star Wars do when defending their franchise! Sheesh.
Take off the "sheesh" and I could get behind this philosophy as a great way to live! Living life with passion is the way to go in my opinion.
Quote from: Dangelus on February 15, 2012, 09:02:44 AM
Quote from: Bryancd on February 15, 2012, 08:56:24 AM
Quote from: Dangelus on February 15, 2012, 08:55:17 AM
All I can say is I wish the whole of Human Kind used such passion to find the positive aspects of other things in this world as Star Wars do when defending their franchise! Sheesh.
Why? I like STAR WARS way more then most people in the world.
I just mean a Star Wars fan is well versed in putting a positive spin on it. Unusual in a mostly negative world.
I'm just teasing...well, sort of, I do find most of humanities behavior boorish at best. :)
Dan, while I can see your point I think people's passions are usually going to be for things beyond the day-to-day or ordinary - to a degree. I started the podcast and the website because of my passion for Trek, Sci-Fi and Star Wars too. It's what I enjoy and what I like talking about. I'm not sports guy, or a fishing guy, or a golf game guy - I'm a Sci-Fi geek! That's what gets me excited! :)
Quote from: Jobydrone on February 15, 2012, 09:03:44 AM
Quote from: Dangelus on February 15, 2012, 08:55:17 AM
All I can say is I wish the whole of Human Kind used such passion to find the positive aspects of other things in this world as Star Wars do when defending their franchise! Sheesh.
Take off the "sheesh" and I could get behind this philosophy as a great way to live! Living life with passion is the way to go in my opinion.
It can have negative aspects too.
In terms of Star Wars it can be very difficult to have a genuine and respectful critical conversion with certain types of Star Wars fans. They just aren't interested in discussing potential problems with their beloved movies. It is akin to religious fundamentalism.
Star Wars has a very strong and active fan edit community. They keep to themselves, have projects on the go but are constantly subjected to a hate campaign by Star Wars "fans" for daring to touch the movies with their own hand! This has gone to the extent of being falsely reported for selling pirated copies of the movies and trying to have their online "work in progress" clips (a lot of which are made from scratch and their property) taken down.
Nobody is forcing people to their way of thinking. If you're totally happy with what you've got then that's great for you but for some reason they can't accept that other have the right to disagree...
Quote from: Rico on February 15, 2012, 09:06:49 AM
Dan, while I can see your point I think people's passions are usually going to be for things beyond the day-to-day or ordinary - to a degree. I started the podcast and the website because of my passion for Trek, Sci-Fi and Star Wars too. It's what I enjoy and what I like talking about. I'm not sports guy, or a fishing guy, or a golf game guy - I'm a Sci-Fi geek! That's what gets me excited! :)
Yeah I suppose all genres of life have passionate people! :)
This is Dan's cause celebre! ;) Actually in the STAR WARS fan community I find a massive amount of hatred directed towards the prequels, so I would argue that few are as hard on aspects of STAR WARS more then some of the fan base.
Quote from: Dangelus on February 15, 2012, 09:14:40 AM
Quote from: Jobydrone on February 15, 2012, 09:03:44 AM
Quote from: Dangelus on February 15, 2012, 08:55:17 AM
All I can say is I wish the whole of Human Kind used such passion to find the positive aspects of other things in this world as Star Wars do when defending their franchise! Sheesh.
Take off the "sheesh" and I could get behind this philosophy as a great way to live! Living life with passion is the way to go in my opinion.
It can have negative aspects too.
In terms of Star Wars it can be very difficult to have a genuine and respectful critical conversion with certain types of Star Wars fans. They just aren't interested in discussing potential problems with their beloved movies. It is akin to religious fundamentalism.
Star Wars has a very strong and active fan edit community. They keep to themselves, have projects on the go but are constantly subjected to a hate campaign by Star Wars "fans" for daring to touch the movies with their own hand! This has gone to the extent of being falsely reported for selling pirated copies of the movies and trying to have their online "work in progress" clips (a lot of which are made from scratch and their property) taken down.
Nobody is forcing people to their way of thinking. If you're totally happy with what you've got then that's great for you but for some reason they can't accept that other have the right to disagree...
Hence why this is the closest Ill get to interacting with a Star Wars community. They cannot handle criticism of their franchise and/or are far too negative about it. But then again, looking at our own political system, it's a very black and white world people live in. Which is a tragedy...
King
Quote from: Bryancd on February 15, 2012, 09:49:02 AM
This is Dan's cause celebre! ;) Actually in the STAR WARS fan community I find a massive amount of hatred directed towards the prequels, so I would argue that few are as hard on aspects of STAR WARS more then some of the fan base.
Lol :)
Well of course since even those who dare edit the holy footage themselves consider themselves true Star Wars fans! ;)
Quote from: KingIsaacLinksr on February 15, 2012, 09:54:17 AM
Quote from: Dangelus on February 15, 2012, 09:14:40 AM
Quote from: Jobydrone on February 15, 2012, 09:03:44 AM
Quote from: Dangelus on February 15, 2012, 08:55:17 AM
All I can say is I wish the whole of Human Kind used such passion to find the positive aspects of other things in this world as Star Wars do when defending their franchise! Sheesh.
Take off the "sheesh" and I could get behind this philosophy as a great way to live! Living life with passion is the way to go in my opinion.
It can have negative aspects too.
In terms of Star Wars it can be very difficult to have a genuine and respectful critical conversion with certain types of Star Wars fans. They just aren't interested in discussing potential problems with their beloved movies. It is akin to religious fundamentalism.
Star Wars has a very strong and active fan edit community. They keep to themselves, have projects on the go but are constantly subjected to a hate campaign by Star Wars "fans" for daring to touch the movies with their own hand! This has gone to the extent of being falsely reported for selling pirated copies of the movies and trying to have their online "work in progress" clips (a lot of which are made from scratch and their property) taken down.
Nobody is forcing people to their way of thinking. If you're totally happy with what you've got then that's great for you but for some reason they can't accept that other have the right to disagree...
Hence why this is the closest Ill get to interacting with a Star Wars community. They cannot handle criticism of their franchise and/or are far too negative about it. But then again, looking at our own political system, it's a very black and white world people live in. Which is a tragedy...
King
Tim, such negativity from such a young man.... ;)
Heh, I hadn't intended for that to be negative but I guess it was....ah well. I'm making generalizations of course, not everyone is so black and white in their views of Star Wars. Got a group of people here alone that have shown so. :)
King
More "bandwagon" haters I see! Change the record!! :P
I've just been with the family to see it and loved every minute of it. Not a 3D fan, but some of the 3D looked fantastic. Not enough to justify the extra costs 3D imposes and, given the choice, I would still opt for a 2D showing. But overall, I just loved seeing it on the big screen again. Kids did too....I would say it is definitely worth going to see on the big screen....provided you aren't one of the "bandwagon haters"
I do not see any "bandwagon haters" here. In fact, I don't see any haters of any kind.
I was joking. Which is why I included the smilie...
@Rico: not even a single Jar Jar hater? I suspect there's one lurking around... ;)
Quote from: Rico on February 15, 2012, 04:05:34 PM
I do not see any "bandwagon haters" here. In fact, I don't see any haters of any kind.
I for one LOVE bandwagons. Well, that is if the wagon is holding a band that I like, such as Van Halen or maybe Styx...:)
Quote from: QuadShot on February 16, 2012, 06:31:02 AM
Quote from: Rico on February 15, 2012, 04:05:34 PM
I do not see any "bandwagon haters" here. In fact, I don't see any haters of any kind.
I for one LOVE bandwagons. Well, that is if the wagon is holding a band that I like, such as Van Halen or maybe Styx...:)
I've never actually witnessed a band playing on a wagon.
Billybob, then you haven't LIVED! :) I'm older than you billybob...WAY older :)
Quote from: QuadShot on February 16, 2012, 06:49:34 AM
Billybob, then you haven't LIVED! :) I'm older than you billybob...WAY older :)
When I was younger, I thought 30 was old. Now that I'm 30 I still feel like a little kid :)
I love a parade. :) An I have found my Jar Jar loathing dimisnishing as the years go by.
**Off topic**
One of THE most asked questions in Disneyland? "What time is the 3:00 parade?"...
There's a parade at the end of Phantom Menace! Back on topic!
Quote from: Bryancd on February 16, 2012, 07:11:20 AM
There's a parade at the end of Phantom Menace! Back on topic!
Yes, but what TIME is that parade at the end of Phantom Menace? :)
Quote from: Bryancd on February 16, 2012, 07:11:20 AM
There's a parade at the end of Phantom Menace! Back on topic!
I really love that parade part of the movie. Great music too. That's one part of the film they really could have had fun with the 3D, with lots of confetti floating towards you. But sadly, they didn't.
Quote from: Rico on February 16, 2012, 08:37:46 AM
Quote from: Bryancd on February 16, 2012, 07:11:20 AM
There's a parade at the end of Phantom Menace! Back on topic!
I really love that parade part of the movie. Great music too. That's one part of the film they really could have had fun with the 3D, with lots of confetti floating towards you. But sadly, they didn't.
I wonder if that's a limitation of up converting as nothing really comes out of the screen and trying to map all those bits of paper would be prohibitive. I really like the ending as well, Natalie looks great in that white get up!
I don't think it's a limitation. They obviously can post add elements in other parts of the film. Just requires more digital compositing. Someone makes a choice of what to add and where. Yeah, I'm looking at you George Lucas. :)
I still am off the opinion that they intentionally held back on the amount of coverting they did as much do with the cost as to the visual impact. I wouldn't be surprised if they fiddled around with a lot more of the film but it ended up looking poor and so they made a creative decision to not up convert it.
I wouldn't be surprised if they did the bare minimum work on this then sat back and watched the $ roll in. It's worked in the past. ;)
I've actually been in a band on a wagon. Yep.
Rick, I was sure you were going to say you were in a band called Wagon! :)
Quote from: QuadShot on February 17, 2012, 06:53:53 AM
Rick, I was sure you were going to say you were in a band called Wagon! :)
Our hits were:
Circle round
Over the Prairie
Chuck
Little Red
and our big hit :Covered
;)
Could your music be purchased ala'CARTe?
Quote from: Bromptonboy on February 17, 2012, 10:22:25 AM
Could your music be purchased ala'CARTe?
Groan!
You are in such a Rut Pete.
Clearly, I don't have to COACH you...
Got this cool pin last week at the theater when I saw the movie.
And like I mentioned previously, here's one of the main reasons LucasFilm is pursuing these 3D releases, to feed the home 3D market.
http://www.techradar.com/news/television/panasonic-bringing-star-wars-3d-to-blu-ray-1064974 (http://www.techradar.com/news/television/panasonic-bringing-star-wars-3d-to-blu-ray-1064974)
Quote from: Bryancd on February 21, 2012, 09:03:00 AM
And like I mentioned previously, here's one of the main reasons LucasFilm is pursuing these 3D releases, to feed the home 3D market.
http://www.techradar.com/news/television/panasonic-bringing-star-wars-3d-to-blu-ray-1064974 (http://www.techradar.com/news/television/panasonic-bringing-star-wars-3d-to-blu-ray-1064974)
Another Star Wars consumer disc release? Who'd have thought! ;)
Quote from: Dangelus on February 21, 2012, 09:56:13 AM
Quote from: Bryancd on February 21, 2012, 09:03:00 AM
And like I mentioned previously, here's one of the main reasons LucasFilm is pursuing these 3D releases, to feed the home 3D market.
http://www.techradar.com/news/television/panasonic-bringing-star-wars-3d-to-blu-ray-1064974 (http://www.techradar.com/news/television/panasonic-bringing-star-wars-3d-to-blu-ray-1064974)
Another Star Wars consumer disc release? Who'd have thought! ;)
The collapse of the Soviet Socialist State must have been a crushing blow for you, Dan. ;)
Lol I just love the language you use Bryan when talking Star Wars.
Lucasfilm releasing 3D versions of Star Wars to "feed the home 3D market" makes it sound like such an altruistic gesture! They must have looked at what's available on 3D and found it lacking so this is his gift to us. What a bunch of saints. ;)
Seriously I really wonder if they have some sort of target. Do they have a number in mind when it comes to how many times they can release the same movies and still make a ton of cash?
I truly don't blame them, its a business, I just find it staggering... Every single time :)
Well, I said previously that the conversion of these films was as much about releasing them again in theaters to defer the cost of the work and would also allow for them to release 3D versions for home use. With the advent of 3D TV's, how could they not have a 3D version? I suppose they could give it away. Perhaps you could start a STAR WARS collective where all content is provided by the benevolent state? :)
You don't think the 3D releases are being created primarily to make money? I have no problem with this.
Quote from: Dangelus on February 21, 2012, 10:24:23 AM
You don't think the 3D releases are being created primarily to make money? I have no problem with this.
That's ALL I am saying. Keep in mind I am in the capital market business. EVERAYTHING I have been saying is through that filter, that LucasFilm is a business and I am mapping out what I see as their business objectives, plans, and motivations. I do the same thing regarding Apple in those threads. To say "feed the home 3D market" that's business speak for "release a product that can make money in the home 3D TV market." This also accounts for their new relationship with Panasonic.
Quote from: Bryancd on February 21, 2012, 10:44:10 AM
Quote from: Dangelus on February 21, 2012, 10:24:23 AM
You don't think the 3D releases are being created primarily to make money? I have no problem with this.
That's ALL I am saying. Keep in mind I am in the capital market business. EVERAYTHING I have been saying is through that filter, that LucasFilm is a business and I am mapping out what I see as their business objectives, plans, and motivations. I do the same thing regarding Apple in those threads. To say "feed the home 3D market" that's business speak for "release a product that can make money in the home 3D TV market." This also accounts for their new relationship with Panasonic.
Gotcha.
You gotta remember, some of us around here are blue collar types! ;)
All this talk of the benevolent State....the thing you know, Bryan will be talking about flouridating the water, and tampering with our precious bodily fluids..
;)
Quote from: Bromptonboy on February 21, 2012, 10:52:47 AM
Bryan will be.....tampering with our precious bodily fluids..
;)
:o
Ice cream, Mandrake. Childrens ice cream. An insidious communist plot!
Marx is spinning in his grave through these comments. ;)
went and saw this yesterday, i thought it was reasonably good. yoda looked really cool, and the wordy-scrolly thing at the beginning was AWESOME!
Back on topic and well said. Seriously, who cares what GL does with his films as long as someone can still go to the movies and have FUN. I did, well worth the price of admission, end of story.
You're just wrong to enjoy it, Bryan. Stop having fun!
Quote from: Bryancd on February 21, 2012, 05:14:11 PM
Back on topic and well said. Seriously, who cares what GL does with his films as long as someone can still go to the movies and have FUN. I did, well worth the price of admission, end of story.
Fun is illegal Bryan. You wouldn't want to break the law now would you?
King
Quote from: KingIsaacLinksr on February 21, 2012, 06:31:03 PM
Quote from: Bryancd on February 21, 2012, 05:14:11 PM
Back on topic and well said. Seriously, who cares what GL does with his films as long as someone can still go to the movies and have FUN. I did, well worth the price of admission, end of story.
Fun is illegal Bryan. You wouldn't want to break the law now would you?
King
laws are now irrelevant thanks to the new world order.
conspiracy theories FOR THE WIN! =D
Quote from: turtlesrock on February 21, 2012, 04:53:40 PM
went and saw this yesterday, i thought it was reasonably good. yoda looked really cool, and the wordy-scrolly thing at the beginning was AWESOME!
Quote from: Bryancd on February 21, 2012, 05:14:11 PM
Back on topic and well said. Seriously, who cares what GL does with his films as long as someone can still go to the movies and have FUN. I did, well worth the price of admission, end of story.
THIS and THIS. All I can do is applaud...although I will also add that the 3D for me was more effective in the Coruscant shots and some of the Naboo battle scenes than the Podrace which surprised me.
(http://lasciencecoalition.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/animated_gif-applause1.gif)
I've made the choice not to go and see it. I'm not boycotting it or anything silly like that I'm just not prepared to spend money on seeing a film i'm not in love with. Will I see A New Hope in 3D.... darn right I will, and thats coming from someone who poo poo's 3D LOL.
Heck, even I'm going to see ANH in 3D! Lol
For me, if I watch anything Star Wars related, that joyous excited child that hides deep within awakens. My stomach tightens and I am the happiest person in this world. And, not a lot can do that for me these days. Star Wars on the big screen?....well the 20th Century Fox fanfare is enough for my eyes to moisten with glee....
Basically, I knew I was going to see Star Wars on the big screen the moment it was announced. I didn't care that it was in 3D. As much as i hate 3D, I wanted to see what Star Wars in 3D looked like. I wanted to see how Lucasfilms 3D compared to the rest.
I'm never over bothered by the changes made to the films. I'm always interested to see what changes there have been made and, admitedly, some are just awful....but some are not. In fact, some have been fantastic and these are always overlooked by some of the so called fans.
I always just want to see what Star wars looks like with the latest alterations. More out of interest. These changes don't ruin the films....they just make some versions of a scene slightly more or slightly less favourable than some other versions
My only regret with Star wars is that the BluRay edition didn't have the theatrical versions available so I can watch the Star wars from my childhood....it's no biggie. I'm sure, because of demand and new projects that need funding, it will eventually come.
.....sorry...I may have wondered off my original train of thought there. Basically, any excuse to see it on the big screen and share this experience with my kids. When TPM came out, Amanda was pregnant with my eldest when we saw it.......my eldest is now nearly a teenager! And I only just got to watch TPM with her on big screen now....
Yeah I see where you are coming from and if Isla was a bit older (shes 2 and a half) i would have taken her but honestly if i'm going to the cinema its for a film I want to see. I've already shown Isla A new Hope and she loves it, i mean asks for it. I put TPM on out of curiosity and she turned away and pointed back at new hope.
My son and I went to see this tonight. It was good fun. He is 9, so never saw any of the SW movies in the theater - so for that alone it was worth while. 3D was great in parts - especially the pod race - and not so great in others. Never the less, we had a good time.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=VgICnbC2-_Y# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=VgICnbC2-_Y#)
This guy has some interesting ideas about what he would have liked to see in TPM...Some of his points are really astute.
Hind sight is a wonderful thing... :)
Yeah, I saw that video, but I think its safe to say that anyone can write a better Star Wars franchise.
King
I have always felt that when you look at it, Episode 1 is pretty extraneous. Just kinda gets everyone together. I think if Episode 2 Anakin is in Ep1, it makes the journey a little more believeable.
Not one for giving up on things I just sat down with my little one to watch it (I hid the case because she's already brushed it aside) so put it on excited by theme music, then points at the clearly stereotype trade federation bloke and she asks for it to be turned off, we carry on, things pick up with Ewan's lightsaber and then Jar jar (hideous wording). I notice how bad the effects look now and think that modern xbox games look better ( you can't beat models) still I quite like the relationship between the Jedi but Isla is bored by the time Aneeeeeeee comes on screen and picks up a VHS tape of 1990's kids puppet show Rosie and Jim.
Funny thing is I don't mind baby Anakin now, maybe it's because spotty teenage Anakin is so annoying lol. I'm still glad I own it and I will pick it up on Blu-ray but I think I'll be shelving it for a while.