I have been re-watching Voyager on TNT over the past few months. They just showed the episode where Nelix leaves the ship and I have to say when Tuvok does his little 2 step with his foot as Nelix is leaving, I got all choked up. Where TOS IS Star Trek, where TNG took Star Trek to a whole new level of quality, where DS9 was introspective, dark, moody, Voyager is absolutley charming. It has a joie de vive that was missing since TOS. It really was a great addition to the ST family.
yes, Voyager is a charming arm of the Trek Universe. I too enjoyed that episode. When Tuvok does the little dance my wife and I teared up and loved it. The whole run of Voyager was fantastic.
Great stuff. Go captain Janeway!
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I have always loved Voyager. From the very first episode when the shockwave knocks Voyager into the Delta Quadrant.... to the exciting conclusion when Voyager explodes the Borg Sphere and shoots out from the middle. AWESOME!!!!!
I'm glad to see people coming around.. same with Enterprise. I think people are quick to judge then they see it in repeats and the think... "man that's pretty good".
Yeah, I think the cast really mixed well on Voyager and it showed. They did some excellent episodes over seven years. I think the series "gelled" quite a bit sooner than TNG or DS9 did. You guys are giving me an idea for a special TREK podcast where take a brief look at all the TREK series and give my 2 cents on each. What do you think of that idea? Or have I covered that enough on individual episode podcasts?
No, I think it would be great to really lay out what made each series so good, from a certain Rico point of view. :). I don't always agree with you on some of your evaluations, but I think you would be a great arbitor for an over-arching view of Star Trek and how the series differed in content, character, and mass appeal.
I take that as a yes? Hehe. ;)
I agree that Voyager was good from the beginning. I've said for a long time that with each subsequent modern series it took less time to get good. TNG took until the third season. DS9 took until the second. VOY and ENT were good right out of the gate.
I don't think that the best of Voyager can quite compare to the heights of TNG and DS9, but on the other hand I don't believe that Voyager ever sunk as low as some of those shows' mis-steps.
That's a very good take on it all pickard. I'm pretty much in agreement with you. It's funny how much TOS isn't like any of those. It's best shows (I think in almost every fan's view) are the first season by far. The second season was great as well but the third - well, a big drop off. Interesting topic.
Rico, I would love to hear your take on this with an entire podcast. That is a stunning idea. (no pun intended)
I would find it very interesting.
I see I am in the minority here who really did not enjoy Voyager. There were some good episodes, and there were great character moments, but on the whole, I felt it was Gilligan's Island in space. Although, it did get better near the end, when they knew they were ending it, it became much more focussed.
No, I don't think you are in the minority, per se Locutus. Indeed, Voyager is probably the weakest of the 3 seven season series. That seems to be universally agreed by the fans. I just think even though it doesn't have punch of TNG or gravitas of DS9, it had a good heart.
OK, I totally see that. But I think the good heart is from the actors and writers, who loved the idea of doing ANY Star Trek, and not the producers, who at this point were just seeing it as a cash cow.
I guess my point is that it seemed rushed into production, and then had nowhere to go for a while, then headed home. The premise was cool, but perhaps they should have waited another year to really flesh it out and polish it.
Even so, I watch it sometimes, because it is still Star Trek.
quesiton for those who don't really like Voyager. Did you watch every episode?? I ask because I have a friend who watched two episodes of Enterprise and told me that he hated it. I don't understand how you can hate something after just two viewings.
Voyager worked for me because it was familiar settings in unpredictilbe surroundings. I liked the comfort of seeting starfleet and TNG type of props and uniforms, but loved the premise of the show and the fact that you never really knew what you were going to run into. That was cool. I also liked having a Vulcan science officer and the DR. was way cool.
I did enjoye TNG the best. Of course TOS is an icon all it's own. DS9 was great .... Oh, let's face it... I just love Trek! :wub
Quote from: StarTrekFanatic5 on May 14, 2007, 10:37:09 AM
question for those who don't really like Voyager. Did you watch every episode?? I ask because I have a friend who watched two episodes of Enterprise and told me that he hated it. I don't understand how you can hate something after just two viewings.
That's a great question Kenny. I was in the "hater group" for DS9 back when it first came out. I had been opposed to a Trek show that wasn't set on a starship and for that reason alone, I didn't watch it. Since Enterprise went off the air, I have missed Star Trek as a whole. To fill the void I have watched quite a bit of DS9 and have come to realize that I judged it too soon. It was an excellent show.
I was too busy with college to watch Voyager, but I've been catching up in reruns and have found that though I still love TNG the best, Voyager was also very enjoyable. I particularly enjoyed episodes like "Message In A Bottle" and "The Raven". Episodes like these allowed the actors to shine. Jeri Ryan's ability to portray different types of characters in The Raven, demonstrated that she was more than the space vixen they hired her to be, she was also a very talented actress. They should have let the Voyager actors stretch their legs a bit more. I felt DS9 was the best at showing off the actor's talents...
I learned my lesson and when Enterprise came out I gave it a chance instead of judging it by its theme song. I still haven't watched every episode of the three series mentioned above but I'm working on it.
Quote from: StarTrekFanatic5 on May 14, 2007, 10:37:09 AM
quesiton for those who don't really like Voyager. Did you watch every episode?? I ask because I have a friend who watched two episodes of Enterprise and told me that he hated it. I don't understand how you can hate something after just two viewings.
OK, whoa, big fella. ;) I didn't say I hated it. I completely agree with you that you can't make an informed value judgment after such limited exposure. Hey, I really enjoyed Enterprise, even the bad episodes, and I watched every single ep on TV! I watched Voyager for 5 of the 7 seasons it was on, because I have the opinion that we have to participate in any and all scifi on TV, or the networks will think we hate it: ie, if we don't watch a comedy show, the networks think we hate those actors or that premise, but if we don't watch a scifi show, they think we hate all scifi. (I missed the first two seasons because I didn't have access to UPN.)
I liked parts of the show: I really enjoyed the female captain, I liked Jeri Ryan (I think she's a great actress, and did very well in that part), I liked most of the characters, and I thought th interplay between Chakotay and Janeway was really well informed, considering how they came from two different backgrounds and viewpoints. The introduction of the Maqui to the Enterprise way of thinking was interesting in how it played out, and I even liked Neelix.
However, it felt like most episodes they had nothing to do, and just hung around until an alarm went off, or someone attacked, and then Janeway "diplomatically" solved the problem alone. The idea of incorporating alien tech was cool, but to do so they pretty much voided the Prime Directive, although yes, they weren't sure if they were going to get home and they needed help. Janeway invoked Starfleet she felt like it, but didn't fairly apply it to herself.
I guess it was more uneven than unenjoyable, and I felt that, especially after TNG and DS9, that they could have done much better. But, as I said, I watched every week, and found something in each ep that was worthwhile. Unlike TNG and DS9, though, I just don't feel drawn back in for the repeats, and am ambivalent towards the series as a whole.
Yeah, the Doctor was a great characater and, although somewhat Data derivitive, added a great element to the show. I think a criticism that is very fair is when people complain that the Docotr and Seven of Nine shows were VERY frequent in seasons 6 and 7. I have been watching the whole series in order and man, does Jeri Ryan feature strongly in every episode and there are a ton which are ALL about her. Same with the Docotr. Obviously a repsonse to positive viewer reactions to the characters and an attempt to generate ratings, but man is it obvious!
Locutus makes a great point about the whole series floundering a bit and having a lack of direction. It really wasn't a quest for home show as much as a let's see how many times we can stop and get into trouble show! Maybe if Janeway had just put the pedal to the metal and stopped scanning every freakin' anamoly they would have had better luck!
Quote from: Bryancd on May 14, 2007, 11:19:54 AM
Yeah, the Doctor was a great characater and, although somewhat Data derivitive, added a great element to the show. I think a criticism that is very fair is when people complain that the Docotr and Seven of Nine shows were VERY frequent in seasons 6 and 7. I have been watching the whole series in order and man, does Jeri Ryan feature strongly in every episode and there are a ton which are ALL about her. Same with the Docotr. Obviously a repsonse to positive viewer reactions to the characters and an attempt to generate ratings, but man is it obvious!
Yeah I think each series had it's favorite and there for had more episodes made of them.
TOS - Kirk, Spock and McCoy
TNG - Picard, Data and Worf
DS9 - Sisco, Kira and O'Brian
VOY - Janeway, Seven and the Doctor
All good points guys. 7 of 9 was in more episodes because the Trek audience is mostly made up of male viewers. So yes, they included her in more episodes to boost ratings.
I love the funny/crazy characters.
In order of my favorites:
TNG: Picard, Data, Dr. Crusher, Lwaxana Troi, Dianna Troi, Worf
Enterprise: Phlox, Archer, Trip, T'Pol
DS9: Quark, Jadzia, O'Brian, Bashir
Voyager: Nelix, The Doctor, Seven, Janeway
TOS: Spock, Scotty, McCoy
I loved Voyager, but admit that by season 5, watched only occasionally.
Not sure why, just lost interest. I picked it back up regularly in season 6 and watched to the finale.
Overall, I consider it my third fav behind TOS and TNG.
I think Kate Mulgrew is a fantastic actor, as is Robert Picardo, so to watch them for 7 seasons, its a treat. Some of the Voyager episodes were really fun, they definately took some chances with wild story lines. Remember the dinosaurs in space :-) and the Tom Paris sci-fi serial, Flash Gordon style. And as stated in previous posts, while they werent in the Alpha quadrant, they still met a lot of new and unique aliens.
Plus, as a fan of the ships, I love the Intrepid Class.
I have to admit, I loved the Tom Paris sci fi serial episodes.
QuoteI have been watching the whole series in order and man, does Jeri Ryan feature strongly in every episode and there are a ton which are ALL about her.
Quote7 of 9 was in more episodes because the Trek audience is mostly made up of male viewers. So yes, they included her in more episodes to boost ratings.
I didn't watch many Voyager episodes throughout the seven seasons. I remember watching a few 7 of 9 episodes and I thought she was pretty. Nowadays, I'm trying to watch as many episodes as I can on Spike and everytime I see 7 of 9 I'm simply awe-struck at her beauty. Man, what was I thinking 10 years ago? Pretty!? :confused Please! That woman is gorgeous. :ohbaby
My family does not like any of them but TNG. We caught on late. Like season 5 or 6 before we new it was even on.
DS9 I watched but it is my least favorite series. Quark gets on my nerves :)
Voyager I tried to watch them all but with the family they way they were I had to settle for reruns later on. I watch one or two episods a day during the week on Spike. I really like it.
Enterprise took me a little bit to get into. But I like Archer. The rest of the crew I was not familiar with.
I do have to say I was sad to see it end.
TNG as i said is my favorite and I have watched the entire series numerous times.
I am sure I may get stoned or phasers pointed at me but the Klingon episodes in any series I just did not care for. I liked the Worf character but just did not care for any of the episodes focusing around the Klingons in general.
Quote from: coastgames on May 18, 2007, 10:59:42 AM
I am sure I may get stoned or phasers pointed at me but the Klingon episodes in any series I just did not care for. I liked the Worf character but just did not care for any of the episodes focusing around the Klingons in general.
I'm not a huge Klingon fan either, I enjoy the epsisode and have seen them many many times... but to be honest when I go to re-watch episodes on DVD I don't pop in the Klingon ones.
I liked a lot of the Klingon episodes.. my most favorite were..
The emissary
Sins of the Father
A matter of honor
and the one where Sisko, Odo, Obrien and ?? were made to look like Klingons, they were on their way to assinate Gawlron... what was that called? That was way cool.
I think Data episodes were some of my faves.