Got six or so months to go.. but so looking forward to season 4
Star Wars The Clone Wars Season 4 Preview (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r-09URHNBFg#ws)
Here's a second preview that aired at Wondercon.. so good.
Star Wars The Clone Wars Season 4 Preview 2 (WonderCon) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g4lzU8Dq6kA#ws)
Yay more Clone Wars! Can't wait :)
King
WOO-HOOOOO!!!!
They released the extended trailer for season 4 that they premiered at Star Wars Days in Disneyworld.
It's on the official Star Wars site
http://www.starwars.com/video/view/001261.html (http://www.starwars.com/video/view/001261.html)
That looks great!
More Clone Wars = a good thing :)
King
Yeah, LucasFilm doesn't provide any new content and GL hasn't done anything good since 1983.......WHATEVER!!!!
Oh, I've been enjoying the Clone Wars just fine. But give me some new live action sometime please, Uncle George.
Quote from: Geekyfanboy on June 15, 2011, 03:54:18 PM
They released the extended trailer for season 4 that they premiered at Star Wars Days in Disneyworld.
It's on the official Star Wars site
http://www.starwars.com/video/view/001261.html (http://www.starwars.com/video/view/001261.html)
Looks cool. I like how the clone trooper armor has evolved over the course of the series.
This show has really come a long way, and not just in animation quality (which looks INCREDIBLE). In many ways, the weekly serialized format has allowed for much, MUCH more character development than we got in the prequel movies. I'm glad we have this show. :)
Quote from: Rico on June 15, 2011, 04:59:25 PM
Oh, I've been enjoying the Clone Wars just fine. But give me some new live action sometime please, Uncle George.
I'd rather keep it animated, they seem to be able to keep it up better than Live Action. Plus, with animation, you can do all sorts of things that live action just can't do, like visit all these different planets, meet these new creatures, have incredible action scenes. Not to mention they said it was too expensive to do a live action series not too long ago (for the time being).
King
I'm greedy. I want BOTH. ;D
Looks great! Can't wait!
Hmmm. The voice of the female Death Watch Mando sound familiar..... :)
http://www.starwars.com/video/view/001268.html (http://www.starwars.com/video/view/001268.html)
saw a preview on cartoon network yesterday. seemed pretty good. i haven't watched that many episodes, but enough to come up with a joke.
what do you call a padawan played by Ricardo Montalbán?
[spoiler]a-so-khan (get it? ahsoka?) :laugh:[/spoiler]
Saw about six or seven scenes from season 4 during a Clone Wars panel at SDCC. I'll have to see if I can find them online somewhere.. looks like an amazing season.
I also go to meet Dave Filoni, Show runner for Clone Wars.. it was one of the highlights of this years con for me.
Can't remember if I posted this trailer or not.. but it's pretty epic, so worth posting again.
Star Wars The Clone Wars Season 4 Extended Preview (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ZjTohvSaao#ws)
Can't wait, looks awesome. This show has been my favorite Star Wars thing in a loooong time.
Quote from: Chris-El on August 03, 2011, 06:56:24 PM
Can't wait, looks awesome. This show has been my favorite Star Wars thing in a loooong time.
Agreed! I'm currently debating between SD or HD for this next season. :)
King
Quote from: KingIsaacLinksr on August 03, 2011, 10:38:26 PM
Quote from: Chris-El on August 03, 2011, 06:56:24 PM
Can't wait, looks awesome. This show has been my favorite Star Wars thing in a loooong time.
Agreed! I'm currently debating between SD or HD for this next season. :)
King
There's a debate? HD baby!
Kenny, awesome pic of you and Dave. You guys kind of look like you could be brothers.
These look awesome on Blu-Ray. Totally worth the buy, the whole family watches them here, even my wife! And she mainly hacks on the prequels (except for R2, because he's the best). George Lucas is sorta like a consultant on this, so it seems like fresh air on that prequel universe having new creative people on it.
Quote from: billybob476 on August 04, 2011, 05:36:05 AM
Quote from: KingIsaacLinksr on August 03, 2011, 10:38:26 PM
Quote from: Chris-El on August 03, 2011, 06:56:24 PM
Can't wait, looks awesome. This show has been my favorite Star Wars thing in a loooong time.
Agreed! I'm currently debating between SD or HD for this next season. :)
King
There's a debate? HD baby!
Sorry, I should have clarified. I buy a season pass of the clone wars on iTunes and the past three seasons I bought SD. Now, the intention was that I would get blu-ray whenever it was released, but now that my funds have dried up for Blu-ray purchases...I'm debating on that. (I still do not have S1-3 on Blu-ray much to my unhappiness) HD season passes on iTunes are expensiveeeeeeeeeeeeeee. Granted, SD isn't that much cheaper, but its a $20 difference so yeah...
Bah, I'll figure it out.
King
Wow... Wow.. and Wow.. :jawdrop
Extended trailer for season 4
Looks AMAZING!!! Love that they use Original Star Wars music.. always makes it feel extra special.
Star Wars The Clone Wars Season 4 "Battle Lines" Trailer (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zye_QQBDSXE#ws)
Looks great! Only less than a month away now too.
Clone Wars is back! Loved last nights premiere although I had to watch it on the crappy CRT TV here in our rental house. Can't wait to see it in HD at home.
Definitely was a fun episode. Love the underwater stuff and Jar Jar didn't even bug me too much. Nice that it was an hour long season premiere too.
Yeah, regarding Jar Jar...
[spoiler]I thought this was a great use of the Gungans, makes perfect sesnse that they could fight well underwater. I thought that was effective and added a lot to their characters I had never considered before.[/spoiler]
Don't you hate it when soneone in the house turns off the DVR while recording The Clone Wars? :)
Is it just me, or is the Clone Wars this season lacking punch? I mean, the last four episode plot was this:
[spoiler]
Race A has issue with Race B who the Republic sides with.
Race B fights a desperate battle in order for Race A to come back on their side.
No one dies. Except a lot of extras.
Lots of ok action scenes.
Maybe once, the Republic could lose? Anymore, you know they are going to win at the end of it and the droid army looks like a joke at this point[/spoiler]
I don't know why, but I'm just not enjoying it like I did in the first four seasons....I think maybe its because it feels a little pointless this time around and this plot point has been used a lot of times in the past three seasons. Its not terrible, its just nothing special. Maybe its their over-usage of Anakin and Padme and you know they will never die so that probably ruins a lot of it.
Thoughts?
King
So know we are four episodes in. What are everyone's thoughts? I enjoyed the 3 part arc well enough. It was fun but nothing that really blew me away. I have mixed feelings about last night episode..
[spoiler]At first I was very confused how the Gungans after helping the Republic in the first 3 episodes were suddenly aligning with the Seperatists, even with that mind control mumbo-jumbo. The episode seemed really poor for the first 15min and then suddenly they kill General Tarpals and I was shocked! The tone of the episode did a 180 and became very dark. I preferred the second half and a decent saber fight between Dooku and Anakin. A bit put off that the Gungans captured Grevious so easily, though.[/spoiler]
Quote from: KingIsaacLinksr on October 01, 2011, 12:51:18 PM
Is it just me, or is the Clone Wars this season lacking punch? I mean, the last four episode plot was this:
[spoiler]
Race A has issue with Race B who the Republic sides with.
Race B fights a desperate battle in order for Race A to come back on their side.
No one dies. Except a lot of extras.
Lots of ok action scenes.
Maybe once, the Republic could lose? Anymore, you know they are going to win at the end of it and the droid army looks like a joke at this point[/spoiler]
I don't know why, but I'm just not enjoying it like I did in the first four seasons....I think maybe its because it feels a little pointless this time around and this plot point has been used a lot of times in the past three seasons. Its not terrible, its just nothing special. Maybe its their over-usage of Anakin and Padme and you know they will never die so that probably ruins a lot of it.
Thoughts?
King
Just chill and let the season progress and see if it picks up steam.
I'm Chill Bryan, I'm chill ;). I'm just saying, it lacks punch. Also, I agree with your spoiler tag, this last episode was terribly written in light of the 3 arc episode we just had. Actually, we shouldn't have had it at all in light of the last arc. And as such, I was bored because it was full of plot holes. This is probably the first time I have been bored in the four seasons of the clone wars, and we had the tea-arc last season :P.
King
Well, Tim, you did just post this same comment all over FaceBook as well, just sayin'.. ;)
I got the feeling this episode may be out of sequence a bit, even though I know we are to assume we are moving chronologically. It felt out of place in regards to the timeline of the show so far this season, perhaps it was meant for a later air date.
Quote from: Bryancd on October 01, 2011, 12:59:30 PM
Well, Tim, you did just post this same comment all over FaceBook as well, just sayin'.. ;)
I got the feeling this episode may be out of sequence a bit, even though I know we are to assume we are moving chronologically. It felt out of place in regards to the timeline of the show so far this season, perhaps it was meant for a later air date.
My Facebook comment was to spark discussion. I do this from time to time, though success varies. It was not a raise of arms against Lucas saying CLONE WARS SUCKS1!!11 ;) :P
Btw, according to my iTunes season pass, this episode happens before the third episode of the previous arc "Prisoners" but after "Gungan attack" episode. And there is still an episode missing before "Shadow Warrior", the one we just had. Which further confuses me. Since Anakin and Padme where no where near Naboo at this time so clearly, chronological order is still not in place this season which makes me wonder why they haven't figured out this problem...
And if I confused you, which I may have, here is what I have in my iTunes library:
1: Water War
2: Gungan Attack
4: Shadow Warrior
5: Prisoners.
King
I've been enjoying the season so far and I actually enjoyed last night's Gungan heavy episode too.
I'm with Rico.. been loving this season so far.. really enjoyed the 3 episode story arc at the beginning and really liked the latest episode... Jar Jar FTW!!
I'm with Bryan.. when they killed [spoiler]General Tarpals[/spoiler] I was like OMG!!!
I thought the latest episode of the Clone Wars was pretty good. For a Gungan heavy episode, I enjoyed it quite a bit. I think it added some depth to the Gungans.
[spoiler]With this Episode, it explained to me why there was a new Gungan Boss after he appeared in the previous episodes. Guessing Jar Jar would not have been able to impersonate Boss Nass as easily ;D . Based off wookiepedia site, Boss Lyonie replaced Boss Nass for a few years, so thinking at some point Boss Lyonie will be meeting his demise.
Big episode as well to see Captain/General Tarpals get killed. I know he is not a big character in the Star Wars universe, but it caught my attention to see a Movie Character killed.
Good backstory as well between Count Dooku and Anakin, and how Dooku still powerful enough to best Anakin. Helps build up to Revenge of the Sith and Anakin finally besting Dooku[/spoiler]
Storywise, I think the 3 part arc was okay. Not great, but it was nice to see the underwater animation.
The last episode seemed too similar to the first story arc and trying to figure out how long after the first story arc that this occured was confusing. We had the Gungan one week acting as saviours for the Republic and the next week they were totally onboard with the seperatist. I feel as though these episodes should have been seperated a little from each other.
One thing I did love was how gritty and dark it has all become. We are seeing close up stabbings through the gut with the camera focusing on victims faces....and this didn't just happen the once in this episode.
Last season they seemed to save the best for later with a few less enjoyable episodes early on. I think this is what is happening now. Few simple less esignificant stories to ease us back into the universe and then hit us with some major awesome tish later. :)
Also...isn't Anakin supposed to meet Dooku for the first time in Sith? Been a while since I watched it, but I could have sworn they "meet at last"
Quote from: ori-STUDFARM on October 02, 2011, 04:04:38 AM
Also...isn't Anakin supposed to meet Dooku for the first time in Sith? Been a while since I watched it, but I could have sworn they "meet at last"
Except for that cutting off Anakins hand in ATOC... :)
Quote from: ori-STUDFARM on October 02, 2011, 04:04:38 AM
Also...isn't Anakin supposed to meet Dooku for the first time in Sith? Been a while since I watched it, but I could have sworn they "meet at last"
As Bryan said above, obviously they met before. But, "The Clone Wars" plays a bit in it's own sandbox. General Grievous is the one they really have altered. They definitely run into him many times in the Clone Wars, but in Revenge of the Sith they seem to be meeting him for the first time. I try to just accept this as a slightly different version of the events. Don't even try to make it all fit neat and tidy.
It was General Grievous that Anakin tells that they finally meet, so they are keeping in canon.
[spoiler]This Episode Anakin was unconscious when they did the exchange at the end.[/spoiler]
Technically, Anakin is the one who first meets Grievous in Sith. And so far, the Clone Wars has not altered that fact.
King
Like I say, it's been a while since I watched them. I'm getting confused between Grevious and Dooku.
Just ignore me...I'll sit over here and count the hairs on the palm of my hand :P
Well, it's very official now, here he comes!!!!
http://insidetv.ew.com/2011/10/12/star-wars-clone-wars-darth-maul/ (http://insidetv.ew.com/2011/10/12/star-wars-clone-wars-darth-maul/)
Why do I see another edit of Episode One coming one day that shows Darth Maul being picked up by Sidious and glued back together? LOL! :roflmao
Or it was this guy!
http://youtu.be/8ZsFh0uD20o (http://youtu.be/8ZsFh0uD20o)
That poor janitor! :)
It's a good thing I don't listen to the ForceCast anymore, the last thing I need to hear is the debate on this for weeks....
I personally don't care, how many times have characters died and yet not. >_>
King
Shame, the ForceCast is awesome, IMO.
Quote from: KingIsaacLinksr on October 12, 2011, 05:07:29 PM
It's a good thing I don't listen to the ForceCast anymore, the last thing I need to hear is the debate on this for weeks....
I personally don't care, how many times have characters died and yet not. >_>
King
One of my favourite podcasts there :) . I love the differing opinions and debates. Although I mmust admit, thier views don't always reflect mine...
I really enjoyed last nights episode and I was skeptical if I would as I wasn't too thrilled with last weeks R2/3PO adventure. This one was a riot of cascading disasters!
I quite liked last nights episode. It wasn't great, but it was okay. A fun lighthearted episode. Very much aimed at the kids and possibly a tip of the hat to the old Droids series.
....and since when did R2 turn into a car jacker!!?
The past few episodes were not my favorites, but this weeks one moved pretty well. I have to agree with Ori, it did feel very reminiscent of the Droids series with all the misadventures R2 abd C-3P0 would get into.
I kind of liked the last couple of C-3PO and R2-D2 episodes. Nice change of pace and not quite as intense as the rest. One thing that always helps for these is how much hearing Anthony Daniels doing his C-3PO voice makes it feel so much more like Star Wars to me. Even though I like the other actor voices, I always wished they had been able to get Hayden and some of the others to do the voice acting for this series.
An internet podcaster I know works for Cartoon Network UK and, as such, gets to work sometimes with Lucasfilm employees. I was talking to him via Facebook where I suggested that, like previous seasons, it's the second half where it really kicks it up a gear or two and he wrote back ...
QuoteI have the whole season map, but basically I can't say anything, there's some real interesting eps coming ......................but your assumption about the second half really kicking off, like previous seasons is fairly astute
I now can't wait for the second half!!
I don't know why. I really. Really just yawned at the last couple of episodes with the droids. Misadventures though they might have been, they were inconsequential to the entire storyline and had little impact at all to me. Way too quirky and young of humor for me to appreciate. If I had kids, maybe I would have felt better, but this is the first time in the Clone Wars where it just felt like it went into Children territory and as such....it was just dull. It was also really rushed and the cute, small aliens started to get on my nerves. Because it was incredibly stereotypical. In fact, that's my problem. It was predictable, stereotypical and rushed. I think we were supposed to laugh, but I just never did because it was just boring.
I'm sorry to rag on and on about the Clone Wars, but I am incredibly unimpressed with what we have seen so far this season compared to the last three. I'm beginning to regret throwing a season pass at GL.
I'm beginning to wonder if I like Star Wars now, because of how negative I've been. Have I just lost interest in Star Wars? Am I really alone on this? :(
King
Quote from: Bryancd on October 12, 2011, 07:02:34 PM
Shame, the ForceCast is awesome, IMO.
Sorry for the incredibly late reply, but I used to listen for the longest time to the ForceCast, but somewhere, I just lost all interest. 2 hours and then some to listen to the podcasts started to take its toll on me. There was some other reason I quit listening, I think it was due to the hosts but its been too long so I can't remember.
King
Quote from: Rico on October 16, 2011, 07:57:44 AM
I kind of liked the last couple of C-3PO and R2-D2 episodes. Nice change of pace and not quite as intense as the rest. One thing that always helps for these is how much hearing Anthony Daniels doing his C-3PO voice makes it feel so much more like Star Wars to me. Even though I like the other actor voices, I always wished they had been able to get Hayden and some of the others to do the voice acting for this series.
I with Rico.. I enjoyed the Droids episode. R2 is my favorite character so that was a plus. Of course they weren't as action packed or really had much to do with the overall story but I didn't care. As I've said before.. even "okay" episode of the Clone Wars is loads better then most other TV shows.
This show and I have an odd on and off again relationship and currently, we're taking a break for the last few episodes. Friday night I sit with the kid and we watch cartoons on CN, but this one has fallen off her list and is only called upon when she wants to stay up a little later. She hasn't tried to play that card at all since we watched part one of the Mon Cal episodes. She's calling for late night Iron man adventures instead. Or we pop in the Danger Mouse DVDs ... she loves those.
For all the complaints about the season so far, I feel this episode has really made up for it. I am really excited for this arc, as I think it is going to lay a lot of ground work in terms of the larger story and Star Wars universe. Great battle sequences, but the story under it much deeper.
[spoiler]I really liked the who WW2 feel to this episode, very inspired. It actually reminded me a lot of some of the Band of Brothers episodes. The whole idea of having to secure areas, the importance of missions in the over all battle, and the way the approached a ground battle.
The first half of the episode really showed the compassion that Anakin shows towards the Clones, and how he treats them as men. When Pong Krell took over, the episode and how they approached the mission completely changed. Felt very WW2 like in the Clones had a General leading them, that might not have been very good leader, which put the men in a risky situation that made it hard to complete their mission and heavy casualties as a consequence.
For me, to date, I had got the impression that all the Jedi were compassionate, but Krell definitely does not fit the mold of what I expect a Jedi to be. This episode I feel will really setup for the 501st marching into the Jedi Temple in Revenge of the Sith and taking out the Jedi.
- The way Anakin treats the Clones who servers under him, I sense they have a lot of loyalty to him. He also gets right in there with them during the fighting. Throughtout the series, and in the movies, he has always showed he has a deep concern for their well being.
- The way they were treated by Krell, makes me wonder if it makes it easier for them to march with Anankin and take out the Jedi, after the treatment they might have received from the Jedi through the clone wars, how at times they are not viewed as men, but just as pieces for the war.
- I also wonder if possibly the Clones might take out Krell in a later episode, if he continues to endanger their lives, and leads them on missions that might not be successful and help the overall good. Sort of like seen in some WW2 and other warfare movies, where soldiers have turned on their commanders due to poor leadership and lack of concern for the troops well being.
- When Anakin got sent away, I wonder if Palpatine did this on purpose, so to create some dissension between the Clones and the Jedi. Not knowing how the upcoming Episodes will play out, also wondering if Palpatine is planting a seed in Anakin about the Jedi's ideals and how they might be flawed. I suspect Anakin will return to find his 501st troop in disarray, probably a lot of lost Clones under the leadership of Krell. I am really looking forward to who this plays out. I get the feeling this might be my favorite story arc of the season.[/spoiler]
Quote from: jedijeff on October 30, 2011, 09:22:50 AM
For all the complaints about the season so far, I feel this episode has really made up for it. I am really excited for this arc, as I think it is going to lay a lot of ground work in terms of the larger story and Star Wars universe. Great battle sequences, but the story under it much deeper.
[spoiler]I really liked the who WW2 feel to this episode, very inspired. It actually reminded me a lot of some of the Band of Brothers episodes. The whole idea of having to secure areas, the importance of missions in the over all battle, and the way the approached a ground battle.
The first half of the episode really showed the compassion that Anakin shows towards the Clones, and how he treats them as men. When Pong Krell took over, the episode and how they approached the mission completely changed. Felt very WW2 like in the Clones had a General leading them, that might not have been very good leader, which put the men in a risky situation that made it hard to complete their mission and heavy casualties as a consequence.
For me, to date, I had got the impression that all the Jedi were compassionate, but Krell definitely does not fit the mold of what I expect a Jedi to be. This episode I feel will really setup for the 501st marching into the Jedi Temple in Revenge of the Sith and taking out the Jedi.
- The way Anakin treats the Clones who servers under him, I sense they have a lot of loyalty to him. He also gets right in there with them during the fighting. Throughtout the series, and in the movies, he has always showed he has a deep concern for their well being.
- The way they were treated by Krell, makes me wonder if it makes it easier for them to march with Anankin and take out the Jedi, after the treatment they might have received from the Jedi through the clone wars, how at times they are not viewed as men, but just as pieces for the war.
- I also wonder if possibly the Clones might take out Krell in a later episode, if he continues to endanger their lives, and leads them on missions that might not be successful and help the overall good. Sort of like seen in some WW2 and other warfare movies, where soldiers have turned on their commanders due to poor leadership and lack of concern for the troops well being.
- When Anakin got sent away, I wonder if Palpatine did this on purpose, so to create some dissension between the Clones and the Jedi. Not knowing how the upcoming Episodes will play out, also wondering if Palpatine is planting a seed in Anakin about the Jedi's ideals and how they might be flawed. I suspect Anakin will return to find his 501st troop in disarray, probably a lot of lost Clones under the leadership of Krell. I am really looking forward to who this plays out. I get the feeling this might be my favorite story arc of the season.[/spoiler]
Couldn't agree more, Jeff...
[spoiler]I also was totally feeling the B of B vibe. Really loved it when they dropped the musical score and just let the sounds of battle take center stage. Very visceral and by far this was the loudest CW ever. Reminded me of the Battle of the Bulge episode of B of B's actually. I don't see the Clone's turning on Krell but I do think Krell is being tested and wouldn't be surprised to see the tension come to a head and Krell learning a lesson.[/spoiler]
Quote from: Bryancd on October 30, 2011, 09:41:51 AM
Quote from: jedijeff on October 30, 2011, 09:22:50 AM
For all the complaints about the season so far, I feel this episode has really made up for it. I am really excited for this arc, as I think it is going to lay a lot of ground work in terms of the larger story and Star Wars universe. Great battle sequences, but the story under it much deeper.
[spoiler]I really liked the who WW2 feel to this episode, very inspired. It actually reminded me a lot of some of the Band of Brothers episodes. The whole idea of having to secure areas, the importance of missions in the over all battle, and the way the approached a ground battle.
The first half of the episode really showed the compassion that Anakin shows towards the Clones, and how he treats them as men. When Pong Krell took over, the episode and how they approached the mission completely changed. Felt very WW2 like in the Clones had a General leading them, that might not have been very good leader, which put the men in a risky situation that made it hard to complete their mission and heavy casualties as a consequence.
For me, to date, I had got the impression that all the Jedi were compassionate, but Krell definitely does not fit the mold of what I expect a Jedi to be. This episode I feel will really setup for the 501st marching into the Jedi Temple in Revenge of the Sith and taking out the Jedi.
- The way Anakin treats the Clones who servers under him, I sense they have a lot of loyalty to him. He also gets right in there with them during the fighting. Throughtout the series, and in the movies, he has always showed he has a deep concern for their well being.
- The way they were treated by Krell, makes me wonder if it makes it easier for them to march with Anankin and take out the Jedi, after the treatment they might have received from the Jedi through the clone wars, how at times they are not viewed as men, but just as pieces for the war.
- I also wonder if possibly the Clones might take out Krell in a later episode, if he continues to endanger their lives, and leads them on missions that might not be successful and help the overall good. Sort of like seen in some WW2 and other warfare movies, where soldiers have turned on their commanders due to poor leadership and lack of concern for the troops well being.
- When Anakin got sent away, I wonder if Palpatine did this on purpose, so to create some dissension between the Clones and the Jedi. Not knowing how the upcoming Episodes will play out, also wondering if Palpatine is planting a seed in Anakin about the Jedi's ideals and how they might be flawed. I suspect Anakin will return to find his 501st troop in disarray, probably a lot of lost Clones under the leadership of Krell. I am really looking forward to who this plays out. I get the feeling this might be my favorite story arc of the season.[/spoiler]
Couldn't agree more, Jeff...
[spoiler]I also was totally feeling the B of B vibe. Really loved it when they dropped the musical score and just let the sounds of battle take center stage. Very visceral and by far this was the loudest CW ever. Reminded me of the Battle of the Bulge episode of B of B's actually. I don't see the Clone's turning on Krell but I do think Krell is being tested and wouldn't be surprised to see the tension come to a head and Krell learning a lesson.[/spoiler]
[spoiler]This feels like one of the harshest episodes as far as clones dying. I mean left and right we just had them dying. Even a few got me, I was surprised by that, considering how very G-rated this series has been.
It was a good episode overall, but all clone-related episodes have been, because you feel like they are at risk. The new Jedi...bothers me. It bothers me that he doesn't even view them as living beings, but just numbers. That doesn't seem very Jedi-like. But maybe that's because we've only seen Obi-Wan and Anakin's viewpoint on them.[/spoiler]
I liked it and am glad.
King
What was also interesting...
[spoiler]They were fighting and killing a sentient living enemy, not just battle droids.[/spoiler]
Loved this episode. [spoiler]I wasn't too sure about the walkers sprinting and leaping and stamping on people. I think they should have been more mechanical like the AT-ST's in ROTJ. But apart from that, I loved it.
Interesting way to show us that some people are viewing the Clones as tools and not individuals...I wonder how wide spread this opinion actually is?
Also, I am really intrigued to know why the Chancellor has put in a request for Anakin. Is there something totally seperate brewing elsewhere. Or was it his intention to put a colder and less compassionate Jedi Master in charge of Anakin's troops.[/spoiler]
Quote from: Bryancd on October 30, 2011, 10:16:11 AM
What was also interesting...
[spoiler]They were fighting and killing a sentient living enemy, not just battle droids.[/spoiler]
I noticed that as well
[spoiler] I figured that they battle the droids all the time, and at times the droids are a bit comedic and might not have made the episode as heavy given the familiarity and history. I really liked it was a different enemy.[/spoiler]
Did it seem a bit odd to anyone else that they were
[spoiler] actually invading a planet just for choosing to side with the Seperatists. I think I need to watch the episode intro again to see if I missed something. Seemed weird for the Jedi to be a part of an invading force[/spoiler]
Quote from: ori-STUDFARM on October 30, 2011, 03:50:26 PM
Did it seem a bit odd to anyone else that they were
[spoiler] actually invading a planet just for choosing to side with the Seperatists. I think I need to watch the episode intro again to see if I missed something. Seemed weird for the Jedi to be a part of an invading force[/spoiler]
[spoiler]Nope, they were just straight up invading. For strategic importance. I wondered about that too, and watched the beginning over. Nobody was needing saved.[/spoiler]
King
Quote from: ori-STUDFARM on October 30, 2011, 03:50:26 PM
Did it seem a bit odd to anyone else that they were
[spoiler] actually invading a planet just for choosing to side with the Seperatists. I think I need to watch the episode intro again to see if I missed something. Seemed weird for the Jedi to be a part of an invading force[/spoiler]
Agreed. It did some a bit...aggressive.
Really enjoyed the final episode in this Umbare four part story. Got to see Clones upclose and personal.
I've been really enjoying this four-parter. I'm still not sure how this will end. :)
King
Quote from: KingIsaacLinksr on November 18, 2011, 09:42:30 PM
I've been really enjoying this four-parter. I'm still not sure how this will end. :)
King
Did you see tonight's.. that's the end of this four parter.
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Quote from: KingIsaacLinksr on November 18, 2011, 09:42:30 PM
I've been really enjoying this four-parter. I'm still not sure how this will end. :)
King
Did you see tonight's.. that's the end of this four parter.
Nope, I've been watching Chuck and Fringe tonight, it will pop up on my iTunes library tomorrow. I can't wait :)
King
Great episode tonight!
Wow, it was incredible!
Yeah, this 4 story arc was riveting. I have never looked forward to an episode of the Clone Wars as much as I did last nights and I wasn't disappointed!
[spoiler]I wasn't sure they would go there and actually show a dark Jedi but I'm glad they did. Add so much new context to the entire fall of the Republic and why the Clones would be willing, or we assume willing, participants in Order 66.[/spoiler]
I thought it was a great series of Episodes, and added a lot to all the clones.
[spoiler]I was glad to see Pong Krell get his just deserts in the end, though part of me wonders how he was able to go so far. The Clones had mentioned that his missions had a high casualty rate, and I would have thought before he even got this mission, that the Jedi would have reviewed his methods on earlier ones. I also wonder if he was placed there by Palpatine, because he knew that Krell had dark leanings. I guess it also really shows how much the Jedi were out of touch with their order, as it was pretty blatant Krell was not following the Jedi code, and none of them ever picked up on it.
A few statements throughout the episodes sort of reaffirmed my thoughts on why they would take order 66 and march with Anakin on the temple. They made reference that Anankin was always at the front of the charge leading them men, so I can see where they have a great Loyalty to him and would follow him. Also the Clone Dogma and his loyalty to the Republic, for Clones like him, I can see where when given order 66, that he would execute it without question. Even though he went against orders in the end and killed Krell, it was more that Krell had betrayed the Republic then the actions he had put the Clones through, at least that is how I felt. Clones like Rex and 5's, still not sure on them, but feel they have a strong loyalty to Anakin, but also they seem to be breaking from the obedient Clone mold. It was interesting to see that there was a division between the Clones over orders, even though Krell was leading them into no win situations. The end where Krell had the two groups of Clones fighting each other was pretty powerful stuff.[/spoiler]
Cool set of episodes and great last one for this set. A few thoughts...
[spoiler]I was glad Krell turned out to be leaning towards joining the Sith and Separatists. It didn't make sense the way he was leading his men the way he had been and still was a Jedi. I got the feeling this was the first time he maybe tried to go as far as he did so he was able to get away with it previously. As far as Order 66, I always felt the clones had been programmed somehow, maybe genetically to obey that order - not just that they wanted to follow Anakin. At least that was my view on it.[/spoiler]
So...
[spoiler]We had that awesome 4 part series of episodes and then we go right back to the same old, same old formula. Kidnapped was...minorly interesting, but lacked any punch. And somehow both Ahsoka and Anakin got juiced up force powers all of the sudden. Then after that episode we had the Slaves of the Republic which was...tbh....dull and predictable. Sure, the interaction with Anakin and the Queen was...amusing...but overall, my opinion of the series has fallen back to what it was. I'm bored. They're using the same old formula again and its just not jiving with me. I don't know why, but I think the writers just can't let go the old formula of Anakin, Obi-Wan and Ahsoka like they have been using for the past three seasons. Sneak in, almost do some good, get caught, get the crud beat out of them, escape, confront the bad-guy, go home.
Really, the next episode is going to end as thus:
Anakin figures out a way of freeing them, enacts a really dangerous plan of doing so, they overthrow the slave trade operation and the characters all go home safe and sound. The end.
I would love to be wrong though. I really would.
And am I being too harsh?
[/spoiler]
King
I think you could be calling it too early. The first part of this story is a pretty much direct retelling of a comic story. A few subtle differences to make it fit the TV show formula rather than the comic.
But I have heard (i forget where) that this story arc is really going to start to show a big shift in Anakin. I think he could have some very dark times coming up....Lets face it, as an ex slave, slavery is something very close to his heart...
[spoiler] I loved the bit where he used severe threatening behaviour to try and obtain information about the slaves. And Ahsoka's reaction to this was very telling. I think this could be the start of her seeing the error in Anakin's methods. [/spoiler]
Maybe even lead to the whole mystery surrounding the fate of Ahsoka.
I really loved these last two episodes. More than any others from this season...
Quote from: KingIsaacLinksr on December 05, 2011, 09:16:48 PM
So...
[spoiler]We had that awesome 4 part series of episodes and then we go right back to the same old, same old formula. Kidnapped was...minorly interesting, but lacked any punch. And somehow both Ahsoka and Anakin got juiced up force powers all of the sudden. Then after that episode we had the Slaves of the Republic which was...tbh....dull and predictable. Sure, the interaction with Anakin and the Queen was...amusing...but overall, my opinion of the series has fallen back to what it was. I'm bored. They're using the same old formula again and its just not jiving with me. I don't know why, but I think the writers just can't let go the old formula of Anakin, Obi-Wan and Ahsoka like they have been using for the past three seasons. Sneak in, almost do some good, get caught, get the crud beat out of them, escape, confront the bad-guy, go home.
Really, the next episode is going to end as thus:
Anakin figures out a way of freeing them, enacts a really dangerous plan of doing so, they overthrow the slave trade operation and the characters all go home safe and sound. The end.
I would love to be wrong though. I really would.
And am I being too harsh?
[/spoiler]
King
Wow, could not disagree more. I found both of these new episodes very compelling, especialy "Slaves of the Republic", very dark for the CW. I think this is another terrific arc setting up and don't agree with anything you said....what a shock. :)
I guess it's just me then. It's just I've seen this plot before so it felt like it went through the motions. Oh well. Maybe the next episode will pick up.
King
I really enjoyed the first episode back of the new year picking up on the slave arc. I enjoyed how this impacted Anakin and his hatred of slavery. Good stuff!
Great episode, watched all 3 back to back, I missed it earlier on.
Were those Z-95 headhunters in Plo Koon's squadron?? I was geeking out about them.
Yep, that's the Z-95!
NICE. I love those nods to EU stuff.
Btw, I called it. The only thing I didn't predict was Dooku showing up to the palace, that twisted the story a little, but the end result was the same. *ah well*
It was a decent episode, never heard/seen those Z-95s before so I was rather surprised to see something different this time around.
King
I thought it was a very exciting episode, really loved it!
Quote from: KingIsaacLinksr on January 07, 2012, 01:29:44 PM
Btw, I called it. The only thing I didn't predict was Dooku showing up to the palace, that twisted the story a little, but the end result was the same. *ah well*
It was a decent episode, never heard/seen those Z-95s before so I was rather surprised to see something different this time around.
King
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Z-95 (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Z-95)
They are described in Star Wars novels as being a precursor to the X-Wing fighter. I also loved the episode.
Quote from: Chris-El on January 07, 2012, 04:02:11 PM
Quote from: KingIsaacLinksr on January 07, 2012, 01:29:44 PM
Btw, I called it. The only thing I didn't predict was Dooku showing up to the palace, that twisted the story a little, but the end result was the same. *ah well*
It was a decent episode, never heard/seen those Z-95s before so I was rather surprised to see something different this time around.
King
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Z-95 (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Z-95)
They are described in Star Wars novels as being a precursor to the X-Wing fighter. I also loved the episode.
Argh, I forget that I read the X-Wing series and Z-95s crop up from time to time in that series. Derp. Thanks for the reminder :)
King
They are desribed as being well old by then. I always pictured this era as being a bit further away time-wise from the OT. Oh well.
Really enjoyed last night's Clone Wars featuring Deathwatch and Ahsoka. I especially enjoyed the voice of the female member of Deathwatch (Bo-Katan) too. :wub
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bpNMa6pkxZU# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bpNMa6pkxZU#)
I think this will be my final season of Star Wars The Clone Wars I watch. This episode felt really rushed, I was confused about what we were doing on Mandalore and the entire time it just kept rushing rushing and rushing. Not to mention, a really weak script again. Also, the episode was really unnecessary. The kid is just now wanting to take revenge for his mother's death? And the first people he turns to are the death watch? I mean, cmon. Give some justification here. Give some reasons here.
I'm just not happy with how this season has turned out. And I was a big fan of the first three seasons but this one, with the exception of the 4-parter, has just fallen flat every time.
King
I am loving this Season. I think the stories and animation just keep getting better and better.
I'm liking it a lot too and like I said above, really enjoyed this recent episode. I'm a big fan of Ahsoka and feel this season we haven't gotten to see her much. Glad she got some more time in the spotlight. My only tiny complaint is one I've had before, I always cringe a little when a Jedi fights a non-force user. I'd just force push the bad guy away or slam them into a wall. There - fight over.
Quote from: Rico on January 15, 2012, 05:51:54 AM
I'm liking it a lot too and like I said above, really enjoyed this recent episode. I'm a big fan of Ahsoka and feel this season we haven't gotten to see her much. Glad she got some more time in the spotlight. My only tiny complaint is one I've had before, I always cringe a little when a Jedi fights a non-force user. I'd just force push the bad guy away or slam them into a wall. There - fight over.
It's funny you mention the Force push, I was re-watching the last two episodes of Season 3 on Blu-Ray last night. You have Ahsoka and the three Jedi younglings fighting the Trandoshians and it seemed sometimes the Force push worked so well but they only used it sparingly. Perhaps it's like in the Jedi Outcast video games where using a strong Force ability drains you and you sort of have to recover before using it again. As an athlete, that makes a lot of sense to me.
Quote from: KingIsaacLinksr on January 14, 2012, 01:01:36 PM
I think this will be my final season of Star Wars The Clone Wars I watch. This episode felt really rushed, I was confused about what we were doing on Mandalore and the entire time it just kept rushing rushing and rushing. Not to mention, a really weak script again. Also, the episode was really unnecessary. The kid is just now wanting to take revenge for his mother's death? And the first people he turns to are the death watch? I mean, cmon. Give some justification here. Give some reasons here.
I'm just not happy with how this season has turned out. And I was a big fan of the first three seasons but this one, with the exception of the 4-parter, has just fallen flat every time.
King
Surprises me to hear this. I think it has gotten better and better as it has gone on. We are now starting to see Anakin walk closer and closer to the line that seperates darkside from the Jedi. Coupled with little glimpses from Ahsoka as he does so...
I really do think the fate of Ahsoka is on the long term plan for the writers and we are inching towards it. Possibly linked with the eventual downfall of Anakin.
Thge worse Clone Wars for me was the first half of Season 3. But the second half more than made up for that with me... I really do think it is getting stronger and stronger as it goes on.
Quote from: Rico on January 15, 2012, 05:51:54 AM
I'm liking it a lot too and like I said above, really enjoyed this recent episode. I'm a big fan of Ahsoka and feel this season we haven't gotten to see her much. Glad she got some more time in the spotlight. My only tiny complaint is one I've had before, I always cringe a little when a Jedi fights a non-force user. I'd just force push the bad guy away or slam them into a wall. There - fight over.
It's writer laziness vs anime solution. There is no way that normal folk should win against a jedi using their powers. However, this means you either need enemies that have the same power are superior forces that will overwhelm their power. Either way and you risk telling the same story. They decide to gimp the Jedi powers so that other things can be a threat to them even if it makes no damned sense. Jedi are only as powerful as the scene allows them to be while remaining vulnerable.
It's really dumb and lazy to just have them forget to use their powers, but on the other hand of the spectrum, you have them being pretty much unstoppable if they used them consistently.
Quote from: X on January 22, 2012, 07:39:51 AM
Quote from: Rico on January 15, 2012, 05:51:54 AM
I'm liking it a lot too and like I said above, really enjoyed this recent episode. I'm a big fan of Ahsoka and feel this season we haven't gotten to see her much. Glad she got some more time in the spotlight. My only tiny complaint is one I've had before, I always cringe a little when a Jedi fights a non-force user. I'd just force push the bad guy away or slam them into a wall. There - fight over.
It's writer laziness vs anime solution. There is no way that normal folk should win against a jedi using their powers. However, this means you either need enemies that have the same power are superior forces that will overwhelm their power. Either way and you risk telling the same story. They decide to gimp the Jedi powers so that other things can be a threat to them even if it makes no damned sense. Jedi are only as powerful as the scene allows them to be while remaining vulnerable.
It's really dumb and lazy to just have them forget to use their powers, but on the other hand of the spectrum, you have them being pretty much unstoppable if they used them consistently.
Which is a problem with the Force Unleashed games. I mean, I think they sent about two giant armies worth of clones, machines and etc and the guy is still alive and kicking. Heh
King
Quote from: X on January 22, 2012, 07:39:51 AM
Quote from: Rico on January 15, 2012, 05:51:54 AM
I'm liking it a lot too and like I said above, really enjoyed this recent episode. I'm a big fan of Ahsoka and feel this season we haven't gotten to see her much. Glad she got some more time in the spotlight. My only tiny complaint is one I've had before, I always cringe a little when a Jedi fights a non-force user. I'd just force push the bad guy away or slam them into a wall. There - fight over.
It's writer laziness vs anime solution. There is no way that normal folk should win against a jedi using their powers. However, this means you either need enemies that have the same power are superior forces that will overwhelm their power. Either way and you risk telling the same story. They decide to gimp the Jedi powers so that other things can be a threat to them even if it makes no damned sense. Jedi are only as powerful as the scene allows them to be while remaining vulnerable.
It's really dumb and lazy to just have them forget to use their powers, but on the other hand of the spectrum, you have them being pretty much unstoppable if they used them consistently.
I don't see it that way all the time. Yes, they often show Force powers to be amazing but I also think that they have shown using the Force has a cost and can't be called upon all the time. I have said before, as an athlete I can very much appreciate that concept. That to use the Force causes fatigue and you need to recover before drawing strongly upon it again. I don't agree that it's lazy writing.
Quote from: Bryancd on January 22, 2012, 04:14:12 PM
Quote from: X on January 22, 2012, 07:39:51 AM
Quote from: Rico on January 15, 2012, 05:51:54 AM
I'm liking it a lot too and like I said above, really enjoyed this recent episode. I'm a big fan of Ahsoka and feel this season we haven't gotten to see her much. Glad she got some more time in the spotlight. My only tiny complaint is one I've had before, I always cringe a little when a Jedi fights a non-force user. I'd just force push the bad guy away or slam them into a wall. There - fight over.
It's writer laziness vs anime solution. There is no way that normal folk should win against a jedi using their powers. However, this means you either need enemies that have the same power are superior forces that will overwhelm their power. Either way and you risk telling the same story. They decide to gimp the Jedi powers so that other things can be a threat to them even if it makes no damned sense. Jedi are only as powerful as the scene allows them to be while remaining vulnerable.
It's really dumb and lazy to just have them forget to use their powers, but on the other hand of the spectrum, you have them being pretty much unstoppable if they used them consistently.
I don't see it that way all the time. Yes, they often show Force powers to be amazing but I also think that they have shown using the Force has a cost and can't be called upon all the time. I have said before, as an athlete I can very much appreciate that concept. That to use the Force causes fatigue and you need to recover before drawing strongly upon it again. I don't agree that it's lazy writing.
I totally agree. I think it's interesting when Jedis are unable to use their Force powers and have to use other means. I think if they were contantly using powers to get out of jams, THAT would be lazy storytelling.
Quote from: Bryancd on January 22, 2012, 04:14:12 PM
Quote from: X on January 22, 2012, 07:39:51 AM
Quote from: Rico on January 15, 2012, 05:51:54 AM
I'm liking it a lot too and like I said above, really enjoyed this recent episode. I'm a big fan of Ahsoka and feel this season we haven't gotten to see her much. Glad she got some more time in the spotlight. My only tiny complaint is one I've had before, I always cringe a little when a Jedi fights a non-force user. I'd just force push the bad guy away or slam them into a wall. There - fight over.
It's writer laziness vs anime solution. There is no way that normal folk should win against a jedi using their powers. However, this means you either need enemies that have the same power are superior forces that will overwhelm their power. Either way and you risk telling the same story. They decide to gimp the Jedi powers so that other things can be a threat to them even if it makes no damned sense. Jedi are only as powerful as the scene allows them to be while remaining vulnerable.
It's really dumb and lazy to just have them forget to use their powers, but on the other hand of the spectrum, you have them being pretty much unstoppable if they used them consistently.
I don't see it that way all the time. Yes, they often show Force powers to be amazing but I also think that they have shown using the Force has a cost and can't be called upon all the time. I have said before, as an athlete I can very much appreciate that concept. That to use the Force causes fatigue and you need to recover before drawing strongly upon it again. I don't agree that it's lazy writing.
Bryan, where are you getting this? Everything on screen in the movies and on the show doesn't show them winded at all. Being an athlete is a poor analogy for this because it's not about muscle, it's about the Force. We have seen them struggle to use it when they have been beaten about, but unless you're playing a video game, there isn't some sort of recharge needed.
I haven't seen anyone on screen tired from using the force yet. In fact, there are many examples of them using the force to refresh their tired bodies and minds in the other fiction. Maybe there are two types of force .
Quote from: X on January 22, 2012, 04:43:25 PM
Quote from: Bryancd on January 22, 2012, 04:14:12 PM
Quote from: X on January 22, 2012, 07:39:51 AM
Quote from: Rico on January 15, 2012, 05:51:54 AM
I'm liking it a lot too and like I said above, really enjoyed this recent episode. I'm a big fan of Ahsoka and feel this season we haven't gotten to see her much. Glad she got some more time in the spotlight. My only tiny complaint is one I've had before, I always cringe a little when a Jedi fights a non-force user. I'd just force push the bad guy away or slam them into a wall. There - fight over.
It's writer laziness vs anime solution. There is no way that normal folk should win against a jedi using their powers. However, this means you either need enemies that have the same power are superior forces that will overwhelm their power. Either way and you risk telling the same story. They decide to gimp the Jedi powers so that other things can be a threat to them even if it makes no damned sense. Jedi are only as powerful as the scene allows them to be while remaining vulnerable.
It's really dumb and lazy to just have them forget to use their powers, but on the other hand of the spectrum, you have them being pretty much unstoppable if they used them consistently.
I don't see it that way all the time. Yes, they often show Force powers to be amazing but I also think that they have shown using the Force has a cost and can't be called upon all the time. I have said before, as an athlete I can very much appreciate that concept. That to use the Force causes fatigue and you need to recover before drawing strongly upon it again. I don't agree that it's lazy writing.
Bryan, where are you getting this? Everything on screen in the movies and on the show doesn't show them winded at all. Being an athlete is a poor analogy for this because it's not about muscle, it's about the Force. We have seen them struggle to use it when they have been beaten about, but unless you're playing a video game, there isn't some sort of recharge needed.
I haven't seen anyone on screen tired from using the force yet. In fact, there are many examples of them using the force to refresh their tired bodies and minds in the other fiction. Maybe there are two types of force .
What about when Yoda lifted the X-Wing in ESB? And when he had to hold up the pylon from crushing Obi-Wan and Anakin in Episode 2? MAybe it's just Yoda.
Quote from: Chris-El on January 22, 2012, 04:50:32 PM
Quote from: X on January 22, 2012, 04:43:25 PM
Quote from: Bryancd on January 22, 2012, 04:14:12 PM
Quote from: X on January 22, 2012, 07:39:51 AM
Quote from: Rico on January 15, 2012, 05:51:54 AM
I'm liking it a lot too and like I said above, really enjoyed this recent episode. I'm a big fan of Ahsoka and feel this season we haven't gotten to see her much. Glad she got some more time in the spotlight. My only tiny complaint is one I've had before, I always cringe a little when a Jedi fights a non-force user. I'd just force push the bad guy away or slam them into a wall. There - fight over.
It's writer laziness vs anime solution. There is no way that normal folk should win against a jedi using their powers. However, this means you either need enemies that have the same power are superior forces that will overwhelm their power. Either way and you risk telling the same story. They decide to gimp the Jedi powers so that other things can be a threat to them even if it makes no damned sense. Jedi are only as powerful as the scene allows them to be while remaining vulnerable.
It's really dumb and lazy to just have them forget to use their powers, but on the other hand of the spectrum, you have them being pretty much unstoppable if they used them consistently.
I don't see it that way all the time. Yes, they often show Force powers to be amazing but I also think that they have shown using the Force has a cost and can't be called upon all the time. I have said before, as an athlete I can very much appreciate that concept. That to use the Force causes fatigue and you need to recover before drawing strongly upon it again. I don't agree that it's lazy writing.
Bryan, where are you getting this? Everything on screen in the movies and on the show doesn't show them winded at all. Being an athlete is a poor analogy for this because it's not about muscle, it's about the Force. We have seen them struggle to use it when they have been beaten about, but unless you're playing a video game, there isn't some sort of recharge needed.
I haven't seen anyone on screen tired from using the force yet. In fact, there are many examples of them using the force to refresh their tired bodies and minds in the other fiction. Maybe there are two types of force .
What about when Yoda lifted the X-Wing in ESB? And when he had to hold up the pylon from crushing Obi-Wan and Anakin in Episode 2? MAybe it's just Yoda.
When he did both of those, he wasn't tired. In ESB, he was fine and in AotC, he went back to hobbling down the road. he had just did a bunch of flps, caught force lighting, and played catch with Dooku. Sure there was effort while doing it, but there wasn't a show of being tired afterwards.
He wasn't winded, out of breath, or anything to suggest that his use of the force was now on empty.
You're probably right. Before Ep. 3, I think the prevailing wisdom was that Palpatine looked all funky because the Dark Side powers were taking a toll on his body.
Anyway, I really liked the start of this arc. I enjoy seeing things in the SW universe we haven't seen, like a full blown prison.
I disagree, I have always seen the use of the Force as something which requires concentration and focus of will. I have seen many instances on screen where the use of the Force requires just such focus and is a cause of fatigue. I get that, why don't you? George Lucas and Dave Filloni have also stated that is their intent in terms of portraying the use of the Force. Sorry if you don't get it.
Quote from: Bryancd on January 22, 2012, 05:53:16 PM
I disagree, I have always seen the use of the Force as something which requires concentration and focus of will. I have seen many instances on screen where the use of the Force requires just such focus and is a cause of fatigue. I get that, why don't you? George Lucas and Dave Filloni have also stated that is their intent in terms of portraying the use of the Force. Sorry if you don't get it.
Where did they say this at? It's clearly not in any of the books that I've read. Where did you read that this was their intent? Better still, why was it not shown? After intense uses of the force, no one on screen comes of as have been drained by the experience.
I fully agree that it does require concentration and force of will, but only while maintaining the effects. After the use of the power is done, there is no strain or fatigue. I didn't argue that using the force didn't require concentration. In most cases it does seem to require concentration, in some, not so much. Speed running and super jumps tend to fall in the not so much range, while lifting things requires concentration when they're heavy, but not when crushing throats.
I'm also not arguing what your opinion of the results might be. to each his own, but I would like to know where they said that using the force is draining. I've also started searching the web for clues to what happens. So far my Google-fu is weak. there is nothing on using the force causing fatigue, but several things on using the force to reduce fatigue. Still nothing solid.
I think the real answer is the use of the Force varies, from movie to movie, from book to book, and in my view especially in the Clone Wars. The Jedi do some pretty incredible things over and over in the Clone Wars cartoon that's seldom seen in the live action films. Also, part of this is another corner Uncle George put himself in. In the films the Jedi generally have to fight "worthy" opponents as the big bad's - such as Darth Maul, Dooku, Grievous, Vader, the Emperor, etc. In the Clone Wars they can't really have a "big bad" each week so they take some liberties with things at times. I just wish once in awhile they tried to explain it a little. Or have a bad guy use one of those Force draining worm things from the books. It's not a huge deal, but the cartoon being that it's animated I think makes them "tweak" things to serve the story.
Chris, I want to say the mention from Dave was on The ForceCast but I can't recall which show. I think in both the films, Yoda in the swamp, Luke in his training, Luke's dual with Vader, it was obvious to me they was fatigue in the use of the Force. Certainly Luke looked pretty pooped trying to lift rocks. In the cartoon, I can think of multiple times where even a powerful Jedi appears, again to me, to be tried following a major use of the Force. Obviously there's no way to know if that precludes them from using the Force again right away in the same manner, but I always look at it like when I do intervals at the track. High effort/intensity needs a brief recovery before repeating.
I agree with what Rico said above, that sometimes the cartoon has afforded them the flexibility to have the characters do some wild and a bit excessive moves using the Force, but I just don't attribute these issues to lazy writing.
Quote from: Bryancd on January 23, 2012, 09:40:29 AM
Chris, I want to say the mention from Dave was on The ForceCast but I can't recall which show. I think in both the films, Yoda in the swamp, Luke in his training, Luke's dual with Vader, it was obvious to me they was fatigue in the use of the Force. Certainly Luke looked pretty pooped trying to lift rocks. In the cartoon, I can think of multiple times where even a powerful Jedi appears, again to me, to be tried following a major use of the Force. Obviously there's no way to know if that precludes them from using the Force again right away in the same manner, but I always look at it like when I do intervals at the track. High effort/intensity needs a brief recovery before repeating.
I agree with what Rico said above, that sometimes the cartoon has afforded them the flexibility to have the characters do some wild and a bit excessive moves using the Force, but I just don't attribute these issues to lazy writing.
I agree with you both in many ways. It's a damned if you do and damned if you don't situation. If the Jedi use the force to solve their problems, then they need bigger threats. You either have to ignore the lack of force use or have them fighting only the baddest people in the galaxy.
I know this might sound funny, but I think that the first season of the Power Rangers solved this problem better than anything I've seen. While they can morph and summon their zords at will, they were told in the beginning to only use force equal to the situation. They wouldn't summon their zords unless the battle had become escalated. I think that just a little line of dialog would handle that well in Star Wars as well, only use the force when it's needed and not simply because it's wanted.
You're right....that does sound funny. :)
Quote from: X on January 23, 2012, 03:10:47 PM
Quote from: Bryancd on January 23, 2012, 09:40:29 AM
Chris, I want to say the mention from Dave was on The ForceCast but I can't recall which show. I think in both the films, Yoda in the swamp, Luke in his training, Luke's dual with Vader, it was obvious to me they was fatigue in the use of the Force. Certainly Luke looked pretty pooped trying to lift rocks. In the cartoon, I can think of multiple times where even a powerful Jedi appears, again to me, to be tried following a major use of the Force. Obviously there's no way to know if that precludes them from using the Force again right away in the same manner, but I always look at it like when I do intervals at the track. High effort/intensity needs a brief recovery before repeating.
I agree with what Rico said above, that sometimes the cartoon has afforded them the flexibility to have the characters do some wild and a bit excessive moves using the Force, but I just don't attribute these issues to lazy writing.
I agree with you both in many ways. It's a damned if you do and damned if you don't situation. If the Jedi use the force to solve their problems, then they need bigger threats. You either have to ignore the lack of force use or have them fighting only the baddest people in the galaxy.
I know this might sound funny, but I think that the first season of the Power Rangers solved this problem better than anything I've seen. While they can morph and summon their zords at will, they were told in the beginning to only use force equal to the situation. They wouldn't summon their zords unless the battle had become escalated. I think that just a little line of dialog would handle that well in Star Wars as well, only use the force when it's needed and not simply because it's wanted.
Really? Never knew that. Huh.
I agree though, GL made a fatal mistake by not giving us a reason in Episode 4 (heck, 5 or 6) of why Jedi don't always use their powers. Otherwise, you should just be Superman all the time.
King
Quote from: KingIsaacLinksr on January 23, 2012, 03:19:02 PM
I agree though, GL made a fatal mistake by not giving us a reason in Episode 4 (heck, 5 or 6) of why Jedi don't always use their powers.
King
"Fatal mistake" ? Tim, that is absurd hyperbole. Come on, seriously.
Quote from: Bryancd on January 23, 2012, 03:24:54 PM
Quote from: KingIsaacLinksr on January 23, 2012, 03:19:02 PM
I agree though, GL made a fatal mistake by not giving us a reason in Episode 4 (heck, 5 or 6) of why Jedi don't always use their powers.
King
"Fatal mistake" ? Tim, that is absurd hyperbole. Come on, seriously.
I only mean in the strictest sense of analyzing the Jedi. Most people, when they do fantasy, make sure that their characters can't go around rampaging and being Superman. Its actually a bit odd that GL never had a reason why Jedi weren't more powerful. Especially when we get to the Prequel era, you'd think someone would have mentioned something.
King
What you fail to realize is that in 1975-1982 there was no way to portray Force powers with as much dramatic effect as you can in the modern film and animation era. He didn't make a fatal mistake, doofus, he was limited by the technology of the time he made the films.
Quote from: Bryancd on January 23, 2012, 04:22:27 PM
What you fail to realize is that in 1975-1982 there was no way to portray Force powers with as much dramatic effect as you can in the modern film and animation era. He didn't make a fatal mistake, doofus, he was limited by the technology of the time he made the films.
I'm rather aware of that, but that still doesn't cover the fact that they never mention why the Jedi don't just go in force powers a-blazing. In fact, its a common problem I've been having this past season with the Clone Wars. It was only until this previous episode where Obi-Wan couldn't use his force powers or something else that the tension returned and it was explainable. Whenever the Jedi did have their powers, then you pretty much sit there wondering how they could get trapped/killed etc when they could have used their force powers.
King
Anyway, this is starting to come full circle again. While we can see that the Jedi are "pooped" as you said Bryan, they have yet to really explain beyond that. While I have no doubt that Dave said something about it, we have yet to see it "In-canon". Podcasts aren't in-canon so it would just be nice if they actually put it in somewhere, but it doesn't look like they will at this point.
Bah
King
Quote from: KingIsaacLinksr on January 23, 2012, 04:30:22 PM
Quote from: Bryancd on January 23, 2012, 04:22:27 PM
What you fail to realize is that in 1975-1982 there was no way to portray Force powers with as much dramatic effect as you can in the modern film and animation era. He didn't make a fatal mistake, doofus, he was limited by the technology of the time he made the films.
I'm rather aware of that, but that still doesn't cover the fact that they never mention why the Jedi don't just go in force powers a-blazing.
Because it's completely inconsequential to the larger story. if it bothers you so much, buh-bye and stop watching the show. I weep for the youth of our country.., ;)
Quote from: Bryancd on January 23, 2012, 04:54:36 PM
Quote from: KingIsaacLinksr on January 23, 2012, 04:30:22 PM
Quote from: Bryancd on January 23, 2012, 04:22:27 PM
What you fail to realize is that in 1975-1982 there was no way to portray Force powers with as much dramatic effect as you can in the modern film and animation era. He didn't make a fatal mistake, doofus, he was limited by the technology of the time he made the films.
I'm rather aware of that, but that still doesn't cover the fact that they never mention why the Jedi don't just go in force powers a-blazing.
Because it's completely inconsequential to the larger story. if it bothers you so much, buh-bye and stop watching the show. I weep for the youth of our country.., ;)
I have 4 of 'em. Weep for me!
Quote from: Bryancd on January 23, 2012, 04:54:36 PM
Quote from: KingIsaacLinksr on January 23, 2012, 04:30:22 PM
Quote from: Bryancd on January 23, 2012, 04:22:27 PM
What you fail to realize is that in 1975-1982 there was no way to portray Force powers with as much dramatic effect as you can in the modern film and animation era. He didn't make a fatal mistake, doofus, he was limited by the technology of the time he made the films.
I'm rather aware of that, but that still doesn't cover the fact that they never mention why the Jedi don't just go in force powers a-blazing.
Because it's completely inconsequential to the larger story. if it bothers you so much, buh-bye and stop watching the show. I weep for the youth of our country.., ;)
*sigh* Bryan Bryan Bryan. ;)
King
Wow.. missed some good conversations here. Loved the Ahsoka episode. When she took the heads off of the four Mandalorian.. I was like OMG!!! it was pretty epic. I don't think Season 4 has had any "Mind blowing" episodes so far but we're only halfway through it and they tend to have the best episodes in the second half of the season. Regardless I think Clone Wars is some of the best TV on right now.. and it's weekly Star Wars.. I mean come on.. you can't go wrong with that.
Quote from: Geekyfanboy on January 25, 2012, 04:40:06 PM
Wow.. missed some good conversations here. Loved the Ahsoka episode. When she took the heads off of the four Mandalorian.. I was like OMG!!! it was pretty epic. I don't think Season 4 has had any "Mind blowing" episodes so far but we're only halfway through it and they tend to have the best episodes in the second half of the season. Regardless I think Clone Wars is some of the best TV on right now.. and it's weekly Star Wars.. I mean come on.. you can't go wrong with that.
Ugh, don't jinx us Kenny, please don't!!! ;)
King
I like this season and just love when Ahsoka kicks some butt! Hope to see like lots of more of that!!
I'm still enjoying the season quite a bit. Lots of cool things happening and I like the current story with Obi-Wan undercover. Cad Bane is a fun character too.
I'm surprised there's not more excited chat in here. We're getting to see some of the galaxies finest bounty hunters along with an awesome storyline....and what appears to be Anakin struggling to contain his darker self. For me, it is ramping it all right up again for the second half of the season.
Can't wait for next week!!
Oh, I am loving this season and have been mostly over on the ForceCast forums following those discussions. This latest arc has been great, A few little quibbles as to how Anakin doesn't sense that it's actually Obi wan but I think there are some valid arguments why he may be blinded to that due to anger. The injection they used to alter his face didn't feel try STAR WARS to me but it's as good a contrivance as any to get Obi wan undercover convincingly. Love have Cad bane back in action, he's one of the best new characters to come out of the series.
I liked the idea from the Forcecast that Asokha knew and was there to control Anakin. Pity that wasn't the case. Nice idea that one.
Also, did everyone pick up on the Indy hat Cad Bain picked up. Nice moment...
Quote from: ori-STUDFARM on January 29, 2012, 02:42:43 PM
I liked the idea from the Forcecast that Asokha knew and was there to control Anakin. Pity that wasn't the case. Nice idea that one.
Yeah, but sometimes to many ingredients ruin the meal, so to speak.
Cool side things in this episode...the helmet Obi-Wan wears is an early McQuarrie concept for Boba Fett, and the ship that the bounty hunters are using is the same design as the Lady Luck, Lando's ship in the post ROTJ EU.
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Lady_Luck (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Lady_Luck)
Thinking about watching this show finally...never really been into EU Star Wars but going to give it a shot. Where does the Clone Wars animated movie fit in, do I watch that first?
edit to add: what about the shorts, where do they fit in and should I watch those first?
Quote from: Jobydrone on January 31, 2012, 05:25:23 PM
Thinking about watching this show finally...never really been into EU Star Wars but going to give it a shot. Where does the Clone Wars animated movie fit in, do I watch that first?
edit to add: what about the shorts, where do they fit in and should I watch those first?
Clone Wars isn't part of the EU.. it's actually from George and is cannon to the Star Wars movies.
This series takes place between episode 2 and 3.
Now sure what shorts your talking about... unless you mean the other clone wars mini episodes.. those have nothing to do with this Clone Wars.
I'd start with the Clone Wars movies and then jump into Season 1
Thanks Kenny. There were animated Clone Wars short movies, like two or three minutes long eventually collected and released on DVD. I think they originally aired online or something. Is there more than one feature length movie?
Quote from: Jobydrone on January 31, 2012, 05:41:58 PM
Thanks Kenny. There were animated Clone Wars short movies, like two or three minutes long eventually collected and released on DVD. I think they originally aired online or something. Is there more than one feature length movie?
No I think you're talking about the other Clone Wars.. they were short 3 minute episodes.. you can watch those.. but they aren't aren't part of this new series... just get the Clone Wars movies and then start with S1
Sorry for being dense, but how many Clone Wars movies are there, I thought just one (not including episode 2 of course)
Quote from: Jobydrone on January 31, 2012, 05:48:43 PM
Sorry for being dense, but how many Clone Wars movies are there, I thought just one (not including episode 2 of course)
What they did was take the first 3 episodes of the Clone Wars cartoon and released them as a movie before they premiered the series on Cartoon Network
I see now! Thanks Kenny, heading out to get the DVDs!
Quote from: Geekyfanboy on January 31, 2012, 05:32:05 PM
Quote from: Jobydrone on January 31, 2012, 05:25:23 PM
Thinking about watching this show finally...never really been into EU Star Wars but going to give it a shot. Where does the Clone Wars animated movie fit in, do I watch that first?
edit to add: what about the shorts, where do they fit in and should I watch those first?
Clone Wars isn't part of the EU.. it's actually from George and is cannon to the Star Wars movies.
This series takes place between episode 2 and 3.
Now sure what shorts your talking about... unless you mean the other clone wars mini episodes.. those have nothing to do with this Clone Wars.
I'd start with the Clone Wars movies and then jump into Season 1
Not to pick nits, but Clone wars isn't a part of the movie canon, it's T -Canon. It's above the books, but below the movies in terms of precedence. It's also a multi-level pain in the butt if you ash me, but here it is for some reading:
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Canon (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Canon)
Quote from: X on January 31, 2012, 06:27:10 PM
Quote from: Geekyfanboy on January 31, 2012, 05:32:05 PM
Quote from: Jobydrone on January 31, 2012, 05:25:23 PM
Thinking about watching this show finally...never really been into EU Star Wars but going to give it a shot. Where does the Clone Wars animated movie fit in, do I watch that first?
edit to add: what about the shorts, where do they fit in and should I watch those first?
Clone Wars isn't part of the EU.. it's actually from George and is cannon to the Star Wars movies.
This series takes place between episode 2 and 3.
Now sure what shorts your talking about... unless you mean the other clone wars mini episodes.. those have nothing to do with this Clone Wars.
I'd start with the Clone Wars movies and then jump into Season 1
Not to pick nits, but Clone wars isn't a part of the movie canon, it's T -Canon. It's above the books, but below the movies in terms of precedence. It's also a multi-level pain in the butt if you ash me, but here it is for some reading:
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Canon (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Canon)
yes you are correct .. but it's easier to explain that this is from George himself then to try and explain all the different level of canon in Star Wars. I see the movies and the current Clone Wars movies one in the same. They all come from the mind of George Lucas.
idk why we even had to have multiple levels. Here, let's just do it this way:
GL's Cannon.
Everyone else's cannon.
Dunno why we needed 5 (or more) levels. But then again, this is how I view all content. Just the difference of whether it was the originator's cannon or not.
King
Yeah, I tend to view the Clone Wars as part of the film story as it is being guided by GL.
I always view everything as a part of the same cannonicity (is that a word) And if anything contradicts something else, put it down to the stories retelling and incorrect eye witness accounts. If you asked witnesses about the events from a war 20 years previous, you would have very differing accounts. I always put contradictions down to incorrect witness accounts. This way, the first Clone wars cartoons still have a footing for telling a story from the same universe...
The Clone Wars Darth Maul ALMOST revealed! Great image gallery over on the ForceCast.net. Jimmy Mac visited Skywalker Ranch and in an interview with Ray Park, you can see images of the animated Maul in the background. Nothing below the waist, though...
The last couple of episodes have been epic. Man, great stuff!
Still no sign of these over here. I hope I haven't missed them.
No, but we missed you....
Quote from: ori-STUDFARM on February 04, 2012, 05:26:11 AM
No, but we missed you....
You should improve your aim then...
(Thanks BTW)
OK, lest anyone think I am too fan boyish in my usual universal praise for this show, I will say that although I enjoyed this weeks episode, it really did nothing to advance this story..like at all. I could have done without this one.
I enjoyed it. Yeah, the little contest to pick the best has been done before but I liked it. And it advanced the story a little. These 4 - parter's always seem a little drawn out anyway.
I actually liked this episode. What is wrong with me. o_o
King
It appeared to be a weird kind of homage to the 1997 movie, The Cube....which seems a bit obscure...Maybe Lucas or Feloni are big fans.....or maybe I've remembered an obscure film when there is a much more obvious well known and famous movie that has eluded my memory recollection...
This type of thing has been done in comics many times too. And don't forget the DS9 episode, "Move Along Home."
Quote from: Rico on February 05, 2012, 03:48:26 PM
And don't forget the DS9 episode, "Move Along Home."
I wish I could... ;)
Quote from: Feathers on February 06, 2012, 12:35:20 AM
Quote from: Rico on February 05, 2012, 03:48:26 PM
And don't forget the DS9 episode, "Move Along Home."
I wish I could... ;)
Yes, I think that's the ep that made a few people stop watching DS9.
Which one was that? It'd be so funny if that was the case with me, although I think it was one of the early 1st season eps that really soured me on that series.
Quote from: Jobydrone on February 06, 2012, 06:45:30 AM
Which one was that? It'd be so funny if that was the case with me, although I think it was one of the early 1st season eps that really soured me on that series.
That was probably it then - the first aliens come through the wormhole with a bunch of games. Quark tries to cheat them at Dabo so they kidnap the crew and make them game pieces in one of their games which they make Quark play.
Much merriment ensues...
Quote from: Jobydrone on February 06, 2012, 06:45:30 AM
Which one was that? It'd be so funny if that was the case with me, although I think it was one of the early 1st season eps that really soured me on that series.
And "Encounter at Farpoint" didn't sour you on TNG?? ;)
Quote from: Feathers on February 06, 2012, 08:29:48 AM
Quote from: Jobydrone on February 06, 2012, 06:45:30 AM
Which one was that? It'd be so funny if that was the case with me, although I think it was one of the early 1st season eps that really soured me on that series.
That was probably it then - the first aliens come through the wormhole with a bunch of games. Quark tries to cheat them at Dabo so they kidnap the crew and make them game pieces in one of their games which they make Quark play.
Much merriment ensues...
OMG that is exactly the episode. I think no matter how good the series got it just couldn't recover from how bad that episode was. So funny...
Quote from: Rico on February 06, 2012, 08:30:23 AM
Quote from: Jobydrone on February 06, 2012, 06:45:30 AM
Which one was that? It'd be so funny if that was the case with me, although I think it was one of the early 1st season eps that really soured me on that series.
And "Encounter at Farpoint" didn't sour you on TNG?? ;)
I know you're kidding but I loved Farpoint so much! And I was so thrilled with the return of Trek, and so addicted to TNG, that even that terrible clip show from season two couldn't ruin the series for me!
Quote from: Jobydrone on February 06, 2012, 08:45:48 AM
Quote from: Rico on February 06, 2012, 08:30:23 AM
Quote from: Jobydrone on February 06, 2012, 06:45:30 AM
Which one was that? It'd be so funny if that was the case with me, although I think it was one of the early 1st season eps that really soured me on that series.
And "Encounter at Farpoint" didn't sour you on TNG?? ;)
I know you're kidding but I loved Farpoint so much! And I was so thrilled with the return of Trek, and so addicted to TNG, that even that terrible clip show from season two couldn't ruin the series for me!
PAINNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN, SUCH PAIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIINNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN. ;)
King
Speechless..
http://www.usatoday.com/video/index.htm?bctid=1468690309001 (http://www.usatoday.com/video/index.htm?bctid=1468690309001)
Be still my juddering spine....
Wow! I hope it lives up to the trailer!
So.....yeah....Idk what to think about that.
King
Quote from: KingIsaacLinksr on February 24, 2012, 10:07:13 AM
So.....yeah....Idk what to think about that.
King
Besides that it looks awesome, probably not much.
Quote from: Bryancd on February 24, 2012, 10:12:29 AM
Quote from: KingIsaacLinksr on February 24, 2012, 10:07:13 AM
So.....yeah....Idk what to think about that.
King
Besides that it looks awesome, probably not much.
I'm still having trouble getting past the whole Darth Maul is alive deal. It cheapens Qui-Gon's death just so he can make a re-appearance. I guess we're going to have to find out why he is so angry because you never really get the impression he's all that angry in Episode 1, just a cool customer with a red lightsaber. Granted, being sliced in half would anger anybody but him trying to burn the entire world better be explained....
King
Yeah, I'm over the idea of him coming back, I love it. And how does it cheapen Qui-gon's death? He didn't sacrifice himself, he simply lost the fight. There was no meaning beyond his death other then as a means for Anakin to become Obi-wan's apprentice from a story standpoint.
Cheapens maybe is the wrong word...can't think of the right one. Oh well. I'll bet they never explain how he survived getting cut in half and falling down a very very long tube.
heh.
King
Quote from: KingIsaacLinksr on February 24, 2012, 10:36:05 AM
Cheapens maybe is the wrong word...can't think of the right one. Oh well. I'll bet they never explain how he survived getting cut in half and falling down a very very long tube.
heh.
King
I would take that bet. I think they will address it in the show. The writers for Clone wars aren't stupid nor would they blow off such an obvious question, Tim.
Quote from: Bryancd on February 24, 2012, 10:43:02 AM
Quote from: KingIsaacLinksr on February 24, 2012, 10:36:05 AM
Cheapens maybe is the wrong word...can't think of the right one. Oh well. I'll bet they never explain how he survived getting cut in half and falling down a very very long tube.
heh.
King
I would take that bet. I think they will address it in the show. The writers for Clone wars aren't stupid nor would they blow off such an obvious question, Tim.
Well then, we shall see who is right. >=)
King
It's funny, i think Darth Maul talks more in that trailer than he does in the whole of TPM!
Quote from: Dangelus on February 24, 2012, 11:15:03 AM
It's funny, i think Darth Maul talks more in that trailer than he does in the whole of TPM!
true! He said bugger all in the film. "At last we will reveal ourselves to the Jedi. At last we will have our revenge." And it wasn't even Ray Park's voice.
Quote from: Dangelus on February 24, 2012, 11:15:03 AM
It's funny, i think Darth Maul talks more in that trailer than he does in the whole of TPM!
I thought the same too. Funny.
King
Can't wait!!! Can't wait!!! Can't wait!!!
Really enjoyed the latest episode featuring Ventress and more of the Night Sisters. Ventress is one of my favorite characters in the Clone Wars and I'm glad they are using her in some more episodes.
Found a cool picture of Ashley Eckstein actually dressed up as Ahsoka herself
Ashley Eckstein Cosplays Ahsoka Tano
The voice of Ahsoka Tano on Star Wars: The Clone Wars actually dresses up as her character for fun and frolick.
By Andy Hunsaker
March 06, 2012
Here's a fun bit of whimsy: Ashley Eckstein, the geek-chic magnate of Her Universe and the voice of padawan learner Ahsoka Tano on Star Wars: The Clone Wars came out of the cosplay closet by gussying up as her own character.
"As the voice of Ahsoka, I simply go into the recording studio and record my lines for the show," she said. "There is no need to ever dress up as the character because they only need our voices to bring the character to life. However, I am also a fan, and year after year I have been going to conventions seeing hundreds of girls dressed up as Ahsoka, secretly wishing I, too, could someday try on the costume. Well, with the help of my friends, my wish was granted, and I got to dress up as Ahsoka for the day!"
I will say, Ventress' storyline has been much more interesting. Its actually long overdue that the Droid Army actually won. I've been wondering how we haven't stomped them flat so far considering we win every engagement ;).
Still cautious about the whole Maul thing though so we'll see how that plays out.
King
That's a very cool picture of Ashley as Ahsoka.
That's uhhh, pretty nice. Crazy that she's actually 31, the Asokha voice is pretty spot on for a youngster.
Loved let nights episode, the voice acting and visuals were just amazing. Maul is back and he's is wack!
Quote from: Bryancd on March 11, 2012, 02:59:20 PM
Loved let nights episode, the voice acting and visuals were just amazing. Maul is back and he's is wack!
Yeah, I think this version of Maul is probably the creepiest/insane villain we've had in the Star Wars universe so far.
King
:starwars: :jawdrop
http://insidetv.ew.com/2012/03/14/star-wars-clone-wars-darth-maul-obi-wan-rematch-video/ (http://insidetv.ew.com/2012/03/14/star-wars-clone-wars-darth-maul-obi-wan-rematch-video/)
So bad-ass. The animation that is done for this show is wonderful.
Good, solid finale for the season....
[spoiler]I was hoping for a bit more fighting and maybe a resolution to things. But I can see if they go to the bother of bringing Maul back they want to let it go on for awhile. One thing that I thought was a bit odd was how Maul seemed to not have any issue with using Oppress to help him with Obi-Wan. I would have thought his pride would have made him want to take on Obi-Wan alone. But I really enjoyed Ventress and Obi-Wan teaming up. Plus, I love Obi-Wan's little quips when he gets in these situations. "I like your new legs. They make you look taller." :)[/spoiler]
Quote from: Rico on March 17, 2012, 06:32:32 AM
Good, solid finale for the season....
[spoiler]I was hoping for a bit more fighting and maybe a resolution to things. But I can see if they go to the bother of bringing Maul back they want to let it go on for awhile. One thing that I thought was a bit odd was how Maul seemed to not have any issue with using Oppress to help him with Obi-Wan. I would have thought his pride would have made him want to take on Obi-Wan alone. But I really enjoyed Ventress and Obi-Wan teaming up. Plus, I love Obi-Wan's little quips when he gets in these situations. "I like your new legs. They make you look taller." :)[/spoiler]
Or how about when Obi-wan said to Ventress..
[spoiler]I think we should escape, something that you are good at. I loved it![/spoiler]
A little disappointed with it myself. The animation and lighting was absolutely amazing...
[spoiler] But there wasn't much by way of a story here. The episode basically says "Okay. Maul has his sanity back and has teamed up with his brother."
The Kenobi and Ventress partnership didn't really amount to anything.
It was all a teaser episode for Season 5 and beyond. Which I'm okay with....but we've already had the 'Maul is back' tease during the Night Sisters stories from last Season....
I think it would have been better to have had this storyline a few episodes earlier and try to finish on a completed story. Maybe rejigging it all a little so that you can have Season 4 ending with Dooku wiping out the Night Sisters.[/spoiler]
Season Review: Warning, spoilers and slight ranting ahead
[spoiler]This is the final season I'm going to bother with. I'm sorry, but the payoff was weak. This season has been fluctuating between good and bad episodes (mostly bad) all season long that I'm just too frustrated to get invested into the story anymore. Its sad to say that the money I invested into this season has gone to waste and I will not be ordering the next season(s).
Darth Maul as a crazed, revenge-seeking villain has been done so many times that it just feels stale. The magic of his character from Episode 1 is completely gone at this point and him just wanting to see the world burn is a lame cop out for a villain. Not to mention, there is no tension between Maul and Obi-Wan because we know he's going to survive no matter what. It was a mistake in the writing to send just ObiWan. They should have sent someone else who's fate was unknown. Otherwise, it was pretty much predictable that Ventress was going to save the day and they would get out of there. And even the lightsaber battle just wasn't all that up to par to say, Episode 1.
And do I need to even mention the idiocy of the Jedi Council and Obi Wan at this point? Two jedi against Darth Maul was only barely enough to defeat him and they only send Obi Wan to capture him. Cmon. Use your brains people. Its not like sending more than 1 Jedi would have killed anyone, because its clear that Darth Maul had killed everyone there. And there was also the potential of Savage Oppress coming around or had everyone forgotten him too? You know, the guy who can take on two to three Jedi at once.
After three great seasons, I think the potential of The Clone Wars is gone. They have been unwilling to take risks or use any different characters. Using ObiWan and Anakin all the time has been a mistake, but it seems like the writers don't want to use anyone else in these storylines. Even Ahsoka got shoved into a corner for the majority of the season and has hardly been used all that much. Her character growth has been pretty limited.
The banter with Obi-Wan and Ventress was the highlight of the episode though....so i'll give it that.
Highlights:
The General Krell Arc was great, I wish they had done more arcs like these.
Ventress storyline was pretty good as well, if a bit late to the party.
But beyond those two arcs, this season has just not been up to par. For the most part, the episodes have been uninspired and uninteresting. They are just reusing the same formulas they've had and beyond the Krell storyline, there hasn't been much that's been surprising.
:2cents
[/spoiler]
King
Quote from: KingIsaacLinksr on March 17, 2012, 01:32:13 PM
Season Review: Warning, spoilers and slight ranting ahead
[spoiler]This is the final season I'm going to bother with. I'm sorry, but the payoff was weak. This season has been fluctuating between good and bad episodes (mostly bad) all season long that I'm just too frustrated to get invested into the story anymore. Its sad to say that the money I invested into this season has gone to waste and I will not be ordering the next season(s).
Darth Maul as a crazed, revenge-seeking villain has been done so many times that it just feels stale. The magic of his character from Episode 1 is completely gone at this point and him just wanting to see the world burn is a lame cop out for a villain. Not to mention, there is no tension between Maul and Obi-Wan because we know he's going to survive no matter what. It was a mistake in the writing to send just ObiWan. They should have sent someone else who's fate was unknown. Otherwise, it was pretty much predictable that Ventress was going to save the day and they would get out of there. And even the lightsaber battle just wasn't all that up to par to say, Episode 1.
And do I need to even mention the idiocy of the Jedi Council and Obi Wan at this point? Two jedi against Darth Maul was only barely enough to defeat him and they only send Obi Wan to capture him. Cmon. Use your brains people. Its not like sending more than 1 Jedi would have killed anyone, because its clear that Darth Maul had killed everyone there. And there was also the potential of Savage Oppress coming around or had everyone forgotten him too? You know, the guy who can take on two to three Jedi at once.
After three great seasons, I think the potential of The Clone Wars is gone. They have been unwilling to take risks or use any different characters. Using ObiWan and Anakin all the time has been a mistake, but it seems like the writers don't want to use anyone else in these storylines. Even Ahsoka got shoved into a corner for the majority of the season and has hardly been used all that much. Her character growth has been pretty limited.
The banter with Obi-Wan and Ventress was the highlight of the episode though....so i'll give it that.
Highlights:
The General Krell Arc was great, I wish they had done more arcs like these.
Ventress storyline was pretty good as well, if a bit late to the party.
But beyond those two arcs, this season has just not been up to par. For the most part, the episodes have been uninspired and uninteresting. They are just reusing the same formulas they've had and beyond the Krell storyline, there hasn't been much that's been surprising.
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King
I see your point with some of the things you said, but disagree with a lot of it.
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Agreed that as a pay off to the season, it was weak. I still think a re-jig was in order. Introduce Maul with a few episodes to go and end the Season on something huge. Like the death of the Night sisters. That was a worthy Season finale...
I love this return of Maul. A "crazed, revenge-seeking villain" who just wants to "see the world burn" is great by my standards. One of my favourite villain's has always been The Joker. The crazy unpredictable with no agenda for money or power. Someone who literally wants to rock the boat for the sake of rocking it.....Maul is the Joker of the pack for Star Wars villains....and with his brother, they reminded me a little of Phil and Grant Mitchel. A reference that is lost on those outside of the UK. They are a pair of popular soap star characters from a few years back who were only ever worth watching as a pair...Individually, they never quite worked. I'm looking forward to seeing the two working together...
I agree that there was no tension with Obi Wan facing Maul. We know he is a 'safe' character. Now if Maul had targeted an 'unsafe' character to get at Obi Wan, it may have felt more tense. But, they can only ignore Obi Wan so many times....and he has been underused so much of late. I can see that they wanted to use him and set up the revenge arc of the Maul storyline. And I never thought there was much chance of Ventress dying either....they've done too much with her this Season and it is obvious we are going to explore a new and different Ventress in the future. And, having just put so much effort into Maul's return, would they really finish him off before they've used him?
I personally loved the lightsaber battle....especially the way it was all lit. I thought it was great....but, admitedly, not the best we've seen in the Clone Wars. Luckily, there is obviously more to come :)
As for the Jedi council....yeah. I see your point. I can understand Yoda sending Obi Wan alone...He has obviously had some kind of a vision about the events unfolding. He seemed to know about Ventress assisting Obi Wan....and maybe this will prove important for the future laid out for Ventress. Could she redeem herself maybe become a character of good? Maybe even a Jedi Knight?
But including the other council members in the decision to send Obi Wan alone didn't quite make sense. You'd have thought they would have had some kind of a plan to somehow provide back up for Obi Wan.
As ever, there were highs and lows. But I love Star wars. Always have. And Clone Wars does nothing but reinforce and strengthen my love of the franchise.
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Season Review: Warning, spoilers and slight ranting ahead
[spoiler]This is the final season I'm going to bother with. I'm sorry, but the payoff was weak. This season has been fluctuating between good and bad episodes (mostly bad) all season long that I'm just too frustrated to get invested into the story anymore. Its sad to say that the money I invested into this season has gone to waste and I will not be ordering the next season(s).
Darth Maul as a crazed, revenge-seeking villain has been done so many times that it just feels stale. The magic of his character from Episode 1 is completely gone at this point and him just wanting to see the world burn is a lame cop out for a villain. Not to mention, there is no tension between Maul and Obi-Wan because we know he's going to survive no matter what. It was a mistake in the writing to send just ObiWan. They should have sent someone else who's fate was unknown. Otherwise, it was pretty much predictable that Ventress was going to save the day and they would get out of there. And even the lightsaber battle just wasn't all that up to par to say, Episode 1.
And do I need to even mention the idiocy of the Jedi Council and Obi Wan at this point? Two jedi against Darth Maul was only barely enough to defeat him and they only send Obi Wan to capture him. Cmon. Use your brains people. Its not like sending more than 1 Jedi would have killed anyone, because its clear that Darth Maul had killed everyone there. And there was also the potential of Savage Oppress coming around or had everyone forgotten him too? You know, the guy who can take on two to three Jedi at once.
After three great seasons, I think the potential of The Clone Wars is gone. They have been unwilling to take risks or use any different characters. Using ObiWan and Anakin all the time has been a mistake, but it seems like the writers don't want to use anyone else in these storylines. Even Ahsoka got shoved into a corner for the majority of the season and has hardly been used all that much. Her character growth has been pretty limited.
The banter with Obi-Wan and Ventress was the highlight of the episode though....so i'll give it that.
Highlights:
The General Krell Arc was great, I wish they had done more arcs like these.
Ventress storyline was pretty good as well, if a bit late to the party.
But beyond those two arcs, this season has just not been up to par. For the most part, the episodes have been uninspired and uninteresting. They are just reusing the same formulas they've had and beyond the Krell storyline, there hasn't been much that's been surprising.
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King
I see your point with some of the things you said, but disagree with a lot of it.
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Agreed that as a pay off to the season, it was weak. I still think a re-jig was in order. Introduce Maul with a few episodes to go and end the Season on something huge. Like the death of the Night sisters. That was a worthy Season finale...
I love this return of Maul. A "crazed, revenge-seeking villain" who just wants to "see the world burn" is great by my standards. One of my favourite villain's has always been The Joker. The crazy unpredictable with no agenda for money or power. Someone who literally wants to rock the boat for the sake of rocking it.....Maul is the Joker of the pack for Star Wars villains....and with his brother, they reminded me a little of Phil and Grant Mitchel. A reference that is lost on those outside of the UK. They are a pair of popular soap star characters from a few years back who were only ever worth watching as a pair...Individually, they never quite worked. I'm looking forward to seeing the two working together...
I agree that there was no tension with Obi Wan facing Maul. We know he is a 'safe' character. Now if Maul had targeted an 'unsafe' character to get at Obi Wan, it may have felt more tense. But, they can only ignore Obi Wan so many times....and he has been underused so much of late. I can see that they wanted to use him and set up the revenge arc of the Maul storyline. And I never thought there was much chance of Ventress dying either....they've done too much with her this Season and it is obvious we are going to explore a new and different Ventress in the future. And, having just put so much effort into Maul's return, would they really finish him off before they've used him?
I personally loved the lightsaber battle....especially the way it was all lit. I thought it was great....but, admitedly, not the best we've seen in the Clone Wars. Luckily, there is obviously more to come :)
As for the Jedi council....yeah. I see your point. I can understand Yoda sending Obi Wan alone...He has obviously had some kind of a vision about the events unfolding. He seemed to know about Ventress assisting Obi Wan....and maybe this will prove important for the future laid out for Ventress. Could she redeem herself maybe become a character of good? Maybe even a Jedi Knight?
But including the other council members in the decision to send Obi Wan alone didn't quite make sense. You'd have thought they would have had some kind of a plan to somehow provide back up for Obi Wan.
As ever, there were highs and lows. But I love Star wars. Always have. And Clone Wars does nothing but reinforce and strengthen my love of the franchise.
Thank Heavens you posted that fine response so I didn't have to. I was just going to tell King, "Don't let the door hit you on your ass on the way out!" ;)
[spoiler]I would also add to the construct of Darth Crazy. That was 100% the correct choice. They had to take the character to a whole different place and i think the execution of writing and voice work was perfect. Very Gollum'esque and effective. And thank you for pointing out to Tim that Yoda's decision in regards to Obi-wan alone was due to his obvious premonition that he would find an unlikely ally.[/spoiler]
[spoiler]Joker and Maul are two entirely different villains. Maul is predictable, mostly because he wants revenge on the Jedi. The Joker is very unpredictable in what he'll do next and how he will do it. I could predict maul 5 steps ahead of his every actions. He is a boring, two-dimensional villain. Heck, I even saw the whole "I killed your master, how do you feel about that" line before it came. The fact that Obi-Wan reacted with anger to it only furthered my annoyance because that is so cliche for the hero to do it. I figured Obi-Wan was better than that by now, especially considering how he reacted to the news of Maul being alive, which wasn't of anger. Its all incredibly cliche at this point, especially the "I can wait for my revenge" line at the end. And so far, Maul hasn't rocked any boats so far, I'd say Savage has done that better so far.
Obi-Wan has been in at least half the season if not more as one of the main characters, not sure why you think he's underused. I mean, he was in the Bounty-Hunter arc as well.
And I'm not saying Ventress or Maul had to die this episode, especially since I think Ventress' arc is going an interesting route, but Maul's character I think could have been done so much better.
I keep saying this, but the lack of tension just makes these episodes so dull. And its the only thing these episodes have to go on because clearly the drama isn't a big concern of the clone wars either.
This show is lacking this season. The fact that they had to resurrect Maul makes me think they are running out of ideas and these last couple of episodes seems to prove my thought on this matter. I'm not even sure why I'm expecting so much out of Star Wars at this point, especially after the prequels. False hopes I suppose.
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King
Every word of what you just said I could not disagree with more. I have zero interest trying to point out the holes in your argument, just go and be happy...or whatever.
Quote from: Bryancd on March 17, 2012, 06:13:47 PM
Every word of what you just said I could not disagree with more. I have zero interest trying to point out the holes in your argument, just go and be happy...or whatever.
So are you saying then, that the last couple of episodes of The Clone Wars are the best we've had so far?
King
I'm not going to take any sides. I personally wasn't impressed with the season, but I never have been impressed with an entire season. I do like that some of the events of this season are actually reflected in the latest Star Wars book ... almost a century later. For that, I'm grateful for having seen the episode involved.
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As for the rest, it is what it is. I mean death has never really been done well in Star Wars and I'm kind of happy to see that someone with force powers can survive falling down a shaft.
In the end, this is a show for teens and older kids. They aren't going to see the plot holes that you can fly the death star through and because of that, I can't really fault the writers for not writing to adults and cleaning up those plot holes. That being said, it's also not something that I didn't expect from the beginning. The clone wars is very good at borrowing from and destroying aspects of the EU, but it's for the kids and not my generation of readers.
I don't expect a lot when it comes to the clone wars because I've read better the first time the the story was done and before they bastardized it. I don't give it a pass because it bears the Star Wars logo and I don't lower my standards either. I've enjoyed some of the series, but it has always been hit or miss for me. This season was no different, nor was it expected to be.
I also think that while King can go off to some weird places, his views are valid, as is his frustration. He seems to be holding Star Wars to a higher standard than he getting and hasn't yet learned to accept what is give or to lower his expectations.
I would have been more impressed with the show if they didn't make the stupid mistake of not killing an unconscious Obi-Wan. It was a dumb move and if you're going to keep him alive, why not cut off his hands before you put him on your ship? It was Bond Villian dumb, but again, it was written for kids that won't notice the piss poor writing.
Disagree or not, there was absolutely no reason to not hobble Obi Wan if you are going to knock him out.
If you are going to be dumb and not kill him, how about not taking his lightsaber with him and then putting it in a place where he can access it? It was lazy, but not unexpected from the writing standard of this show. You either check your logic at the door or leave pissed off with most of the episodes.
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Every word of what you just said I could not disagree with more. I have zero interest trying to point out the holes in your argument, just go and be happy...or whatever.
So are you saying then, that the last couple of episodes of The Clone Wars are the best we've had so far?
King
As far as my enjoyment of them I have loved the last few episodes and feel this season has been as good as the others. You don't feel that way and have made a point, always a mistake, to say your done. So leave. I am not interested in your thoughts on this show if you no longer plan on watching it. Sorry, I love you man, but if you are out, and if you say you are out, then go. And s far as X's comments above, if you think the show is flawed please feel free to star an entirely different thread of how the CLONE WARS should be written for an fault. I'm an adult and I love the show.
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Quote from: Bryancd on March 17, 2012, 06:13:47 PM
Every word of what you just said I could not disagree with more. I have zero interest trying to point out the holes in your argument, just go and be happy...or whatever.
So are you saying then, that the last couple of episodes of The Clone Wars are the best we've had so far?
King
As far as my enjoyment of them I have loved the last few episodes and feel this season has been as good as the others. You don't feel that way and have made a point, always a mistake, to say your done. So leave. I am not interested in your thoughts on this show if you no longer plan on watching it. Sorry, I love you man, but if you are out, and if you say you are out, then go. And s far as X's comments above, if you think the show is flawed please feel free to star an entirely different thread of how the CLONE WARS should be written for an fault. I'm an adult and I love the show.
I didn't realize that not watching the show anymore meant I no longer had an opinion. (Especially since I did watch this entire season). Fine, I'll leave the thread.
King
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Quote from: KingIsaacLinksr on March 17, 2012, 06:50:40 PM
Quote from: Bryancd on March 17, 2012, 06:13:47 PM
Every word of what you just said I could not disagree with more. I have zero interest trying to point out the holes in your argument, just go and be happy...or whatever.
So are you saying then, that the last couple of episodes of The Clone Wars are the best we've had so far?
King
As far as my enjoyment of them I have loved the last few episodes and feel this season has been as good as the others. You don't feel that way and have made a point, always a mistake, to say your done. So leave. I am not interested in your thoughts on this show if you no longer plan on watching it. Sorry, I love you man, but if you are out, and if you say you are out, then go. And s far as X's comments above, if you think the show is flawed please feel free to star an entirely different thread of how the CLONE WARS should be written for an fault. I'm an adult and I love the show.
How about you take a step back and breath? No one had kicked your dog, but actually given their opinions on what the thread is about. So you're an adult and you like it? That's nice, but it still doesn't take away from the target demographic and who the show is written for. Adults are allowed to enjoy kid's shows, but that doesn't stop them from being kid's shows. There will be a range of views and it's kind of arrogant to tell someone else to go to another thread when the comments are 100% correct for this thread.
I didn't say that it should be written for adults. I'm not looking for it to be written for adults, but I can comment on the problems that I have with the show. So, I'll pass on starting any new threads since my comments are still on topic for this one.
I do have a problem with what you type King. Not your opinion, just how you seem to voice it. You type out your opinions as facts and it comes across as slightly dismissive and maybe even a little arrogant to anybody else who is holding a differing opinion.
I know you don't mean it that way, but thats how it reads and comes across.
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QuoteJoker and Maul are two entirely different villains. Maul is predictable, mostly because he wants revenge on the Jedi. The Joker is very unpredictable in what he'll do next and how he will do it. I could predict maul 5 steps ahead of his every actions. He is a boring, two-dimensional villain. Heck, I even saw the whole "I killed your master, how do you feel about that" line before it came. The fact that Obi-Wan reacted with anger to it only furthered my annoyance because that is so cliche for the hero to do it. I figured Obi-Wan was better than that by now, especially considering how he reacted to the news of Maul being alive, which wasn't of anger. Its all incredibly cliche at this point, especially the "I can wait for my revenge" line at the end. And so far, Maul hasn't rocked any boats so far, I'd say Savage has done that better so far.
I just hold a totally differing opinion to this. I don't think Maul and Joker are that different and I certainly don't think Maul is predictable. I didn't forsee him killing innocents to bring Obi Wan to him. And I didn't forsee him calmly letting Obi Wan escape and awaiting for his revenge. And it makes perfect sense that the Sith (or Sith trained) will try and play on a Jedi's emotion to evoke a negative reaction. Personally, I would have preferred Maul to fight in silence as he did in TPM.
Cliched indicates that it is an overused concept or model for a villain. I don't think it has been....Like I say. He reminds me of one of my favourites...The Joker. And having this in the Star Wars universe makes me about wet my pants with excitement.
But this is all just a personal preference.
I'm not saying your opinion is wrong. It just differs to mine totallyQuoteObi-Wan has been in at least half the season if not more as one of the main characters, not sure why you think he's underused. I mean, he was in the Bounty-Hunter arc as well.
I maybe just mis-remembering. The first few stories hardly featured Obi Wan and Anakin and I remember this being an issue with me at the time....but yeah. You're right. They have used him more towards the back end of this Season.
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And I'm not saying Ventress or Maul had to die this episode, especially since I think Ventress' arc is going an interesting route, but Maul's character I think could have been done so much better.
I keep saying this, but the lack of tension just makes these episodes so dull. And its the only thing these episodes have to go on because clearly the drama isn't a big concern of the clone wars either.
I have done nothing other than agree with you about the lack of consequence this fight could have. We knew that all of them would be safe all along and it should have been handled differently. I am of the opinion that this was have been an awesome mid season re-introduction. But was never a season finale.
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This show is lacking this season. The fact that they had to resurrect Maul makes me think they are running out of ideas and these last couple of episodes seems to prove my thought on this matter. I'm not even sure why I'm expecting so much out of Star Wars at this point, especially after the prequels. False hopes I suppose.
I don't think it is lack of idea's at all. It is as much a part of appeasing the fans who complained for years that Maul was killed off too early as it was a money making exercise. The kids are going to go ape for Maul figures!! And, as a business, I don't blame Lucasfilm. Especially when I enjoyed it so much.
I'm not saying my opinion is any more valid than yours for any of this. It just differs....But please keep in mind when typing your opinions that by simply dismissing other peoples opinions outright, you could actually be offending them somewhat.[/spoiler]
I think it's fine for people to have differing opinions on what they like or didn't like about this season of Clone Wars - as long as they are expressed as opinions. I talked a bit about the series on a recent podcast. I've always felt that George Lucas painted himself in a corner with both the prequels and the animated Clone Wars series. There is only so much he can do and it limits who can be in danger, what will happen, etc. I still enjoy the series quite a bit, but I can see how that would turn off some fans. My hope is they introduce more new characters that allows them to do some things that are a bit more unexpected in the future.
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I think it's fine for people to have differing opinions on what they like or didn't like about this season of Clone Wars - as long as they are expressed as opinions. I talked a bit about the series on a recent podcast. I've always felt that George Lucas painted himself in a corner with both the prequels and the animated Clone Wars series. There is only so much he can do and it limits who can be in danger, what will happen, etc. I still enjoy the series quite a bit, but I can see how that would turn off some fans. My hope is they introduce more new characters that allows them to do some things that are a bit more unexpected in the future.
I agree and I think they have due a terrific job with doing just that with new characters such as Ahsoka, Ventress, Cade Bane, ect. I am engaged enough by them to be able to allow the show to have dramatic impact despite the fact that we know the eventual outcome for the film based characters.
And Tim decided to post what he referred to as a rant against the show in the thread and should expect that it might upset some people and that's how we got here. I make no apologies for defending the show and being entirely put off by his long, negative comment. Get over it. If you go read the last 2 pages, you can see I wasn't even responding to Tim, Ori did a fine job and I left it at that. Then Tim comes back and directly challenges me to defend if I think this season is any good. I don't appreciate being baited like that and that crap pissed me off.
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Quote from: Bryancd on March 17, 2012, 06:13:47 PM
Every word of what you just said I could not disagree with more. I have zero interest trying to point out the holes in your argument, just go and be happy...or whatever.
So are you saying then, that the last couple of episodes of The Clone Wars are the best we've had so far?
King
Not to pile on...I happen to enjoy the show alot...but something I've noticed with many folks is that things are either the BEST THING EVER or complete crap. I think this season has been fun, nothing life-changing, but an enjoyable way to have Star Wars on TV for 20 minutes or so. All 4 of my kids love it, from 14-3, and we all watch it together. That's a good thing.
Plus, I'm OLD enough to remember when Star Wars on TV meant the Ewok Adventure or....The Star Wars holiday sepcial. Perspective helps immensely! ;D
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Not to pile on...I happen to enjoy the show alot...but something I've noticed with many folks is that things are either the BEST THING EVER or complete crap. I think this season has been fun, nothing life-changing, but an enjoyable way to have Star Wars on TV for 20 minutes or so. All 4 of my kids love it, from 14-3, and we all watch it together. That's a good thing.
Plus, I'm OLD enough to remember when Star Wars on TV meant the Ewok Adventure or....The Star Wars holiday sepcial. Perspective helps immensely! ;D
All of this^
Quote from: Bryancd on March 18, 2012, 07:08:26 AM
Then Tim comes back and directly challenges me to defend if I think this season is any good. I don't appreciate being baited like that and that crap pissed me off.
Then don't tell me to let the door hit my ass on the way out and I won't throw bait like that. That phrase is an incredibly fanboy thing to say and it does piss me off because to me it sounds like people can't handle criticism and they want everyone who does criticize something to get out. That is my viewpoint, whether that's what you intended in your post or not.
I, however, could have phrased that sentence better, but I was a little angry at being showed the door and told to get out of the thread because my opinion is now meaningless. That is the stupidest thing I've ever heard that when you quit watching something your opinion is meaningless on what you just watched.
In reply to Ori-Studfarm: I never intended to make it sound like fact and I do apologize to you for making it sound that way. I will try and phrase my sentences better in the future. In regards to your latest posting:
[spoiler]I'm not into collectibles so the whole Darth Maul collectible thing is.....well, just not in my field of interest. I can certainly understand Lucasfilm business reasons but that doesn't mean I have to like it. *shrug*
And I hear you on the rest of what you said. Ok, granted the Sith would use emotions against the Jedi, but my main irritation comes from Obi-Wan answering him with anger, I figured he was past that by now, I mean, that is why they call him a Jedi Master.
But yes agreed
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King
Quote from: ori-STUDFARM on March 18, 2012, 08:48:38 AM
Quote from: Chris-El on March 18, 2012, 08:37:54 AM
Not to pile on...I happen to enjoy the show alot...but something I've noticed with many folks is that things are either the BEST THING EVER or complete crap. I think this season has been fun, nothing life-changing, but an enjoyable way to have Star Wars on TV for 20 minutes or so. All 4 of my kids love it, from 14-3, and we all watch it together. That's a good thing.
Plus, I'm OLD enough to remember when Star Wars on TV meant the Ewok Adventure or....The Star Wars holiday sepcial. Perspective helps immensely! ;D
All of this^
X3 and I wish I had kids right now I could enjoy it with them as well. Somewhat OT but I was listening to the ForceCast today on my run and their tribute to Ralph McQuarrie. I can remember so clearly getting the Art of Star Wars, the Blueprints, and the production painting folio and how those images influenced me. It great to see a lot of that carried forward in the visual style within the CLONE WARS.
And Tim, that phrase is older then I am, it pre-dates the nonsense of "fanboy" by decades. And you are welcome to share your opinion in the future if you are watching the show. If not, as you have gone out of your way to big show about, then don't come back and opine on it. Is that simple enough? I have lost interest in reading your comments on this show as they have become nothing but negative and I don't care for your tone. If yo were discussing the episodes with some semblance of balance I could appreciate them more, but you just crap all over something I enjoy very much and I am sick of it. So you want to post hate on the CLONE WARS constantly and now I feel like fighting back and telling you to piss off.
Wow. I'm glad I don't watch Clone Wars now lol.
I do think Tim is entitled to voice his opinion though. After all he is a Star Wars fan and he PAID to watch this series. That makes him Lucas's favourite type of Star Wars fan! ;)
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I do think Tim is entitled to voice his opinion though.
I agree, but if it's a perpetual diatribe of crap, he should be a big boy and accept the consequences. And if he's not going to watch, then I think it's safe to assume he won't be jumping back in to continue to share his negative views. Here's the thing, being positive about something and deriving enjoyment from it doesn't hurt anyone. Constantly attacking something someone else enjoys does the opposite. Sure, nothing is perfect and a balanced critic of the good and the bad is fine but to make a big to do about how bad the show is and how he's declaring his exit from watching it, it's a bit too much. Spare me the drama and just go already.
You really consider my criticisms of the show as hating? Then at this point no matter how I defend myself this discussion is pointless. I'm not here to crap all over the Clone Wars and I have not "hated" on the Clone Wars this entire season either and have no plans to hate on it in the future. I have expressed my supreme disappointment with how its gone, though gave my kudos for what they did right. And yeah, its negative the majority of my comments because I'm not happy with my investment into the Clone Wars. My "Diatribe of crap".
Heck, I even paid for this series, the only show in the past couple of years I've done that, exempting advertisements of course. It seems downright stupid to buy something that I intend to hate on.
King
Not all of what Tim wrote registered with me as I haven't been following the series but it didn't ALL seem negative to me.
I think it is fair to say Bryan based on previous conversations we have had that you are sensitive when it comes to this subject and generally are not interested in discussing problems / criticisms when it comes to the Star Wars franchise. That's your prerogative. I still think others are entitled to voice their opinion, regardless how negative, as long as it isn't offensive.
I would suggest you review some of the comments you made in the "Terra Nova" thread and see if you think they are any less negative than Tim's Clone Wars observations. :)
I discussed both the good and the bad in that series. I never was hating on that show. And I think your are mistaken in regards to what you perceive as a sensitivity regarding the franchise. To be honest, I just very much disagree with your views Dan which you have expressed. No big deal, but don't try and characterize my feelings beyond that.
Quote from: Bryancd on March 18, 2012, 01:30:47 PM
I discussed both the good and the bad in that series. I never was hating on that show. And I think your are mistaken in regards to what you perceive as a sensitivity regarding the franchise. To be honest, I just very much disagree with your views Dan which you have expressed. No big deal, but don't try and characterize my feelings beyond that.
As Tim has discussed the good and bad of Clone Wars from what I can see.
I know you disagree with me but I don't know why. I mostly get "I like it and that's all I care about" feel from you and that's fine. Not everybody enjoys debating. This is where I get the perceptions of your feelings. I am confused with hostility of your last sentence though.
Quote from: Dangelus on March 18, 2012, 01:45:13 PM
I know you disagree with me but I don't know why. I mostly get "I like it and that's all I care about" feel from you and that's fine. Not everybody enjoys debating. This is where I get the perceptions of your feelings. I am confused with hostility of your last sentence though.
Oh, I just take a bit of umbrage when someone I may not know well on a more personal makes a judgement call on what me feelings are...which you just did again. :) But always rest assured I don't honestly take anything personally or to heart and in general simply move on and forget about it. Do enjoy a good row now and again as well. And you don't even watch the show and are clearly here to simply make mischief. :boxing
Oh, and back on topic. Have to give a hat's off to...Tim! He called that they would not directly address the how did Maul survived being cut in half and they sure didn't beyond Mauls comments about hate keeping him alive. So if I were to give this episode a ding, it would be for that. Apparently it is addressed in the new Darth Maul short story I have pending in my Kindle, but that's kind of a cheap and easy way out, IMO. They certainly can address it next season and I hope they do. Personally, I can just accept he somehow survived and move and enjoy his return, but it does beg the question. Without a lower half, traveling to the junk planet must have been a real challenge!
Did you listen to the latest Forcecast...or maybe the Clone wars Round Table Bryan?
In that, the theory was voiced that the Naboo hole Maul fell into could have been a garbage chute similar to Cloud City. Then it is a short step for the garbage to be collected and delivered to a garbage planet.
Quote from: ori-STUDFARM on March 18, 2012, 02:35:13 PM
Did you listen to the latest Forcecast...or maybe the Clone wars Round Table Bryan?
In that, the theory was voiced that the Naboo hole Maul fell into could have been a garbage chute similar to Cloud City. Then it is a short step for the garbage to be collected and delivered to a garbage planet.
I did and honestly, that's the most cogent argument I have heard yet as to how he could survive the fall and then end up on this distant planet without anyone helping him. I can accept the idea that the wound in and of itself might not have killed him at least immediately but he needs to survive the plunges and get off Naboo and this theory passes the initial sniff test.
Quote from: Bryancd on March 18, 2012, 02:01:14 PM
Quote from: Dangelus on March 18, 2012, 01:45:13 PM
I know you disagree with me but I don't know why. I mostly get "I like it and that's all I care about" feel from you and that's fine. Not everybody enjoys debating. This is where I get the perceptions of your feelings. I am confused with hostility of your last sentence though.
Oh, I just take a bit of umbrage when someone I may not know well on a more personal makes a judgement call on what me feelings are...which you just did again. :) But always rest assured I don't honestly take anything personally or to heart and in general simply move on and forget about it. Do enjoy a good row now and again as well. And you don't even watch the show and are clearly here to simply make mischief. :boxing
Ok. Last rebuttal on here I promise as you are correct I don't watch the show and my comments are purely off topic and not about the show directly.
On your comments about me making judgment calls about you, well we all make these every day. It is impossible not to. In the real world when your are looking and talking to someone you have a lot more to go on but in this environment of a forum dialogue I agree it is much less accurate but impossible to avoid. You can't avoid people having perceptions of who you are based on how you conduct yourself. The only way would be not to type anything ;)
I didn't come on here to make mischief either. I read a lot more threads than I feel the need to comment on but in this instance I felt that Tim was being treated unfairly for his opinion being "negative". He gave specific examples of what he didn't like and in what way it could have (his his opinion) worked better.
He got some responses. Some people respond taking up the points and defend their position. This is great and very healthy. Some keep quiet. This is ok too. If you don't have anything to add this is an honourable stance. You just decided to try to shut him down, literally telling him not to post on this topic anymore, "don't let the door hit your ass" etc. WTF?! Not helpful, not big, not clever.
These sort of responses only seem to happen on Star Wars threads where a small minority of Star Wars "fans" just can't comprehend that there are people out there there that enjoy Star Wars but want to tear it apart, expose and discuss it's problems on a forum just like every other TV show or movie we talk about here! If you don't want to, have nothing to add, that's fine, don't read, don't comment!
Oh and the icing on the cake are those who chime in with their "virtual pat on the back comments" but can't be bothered to make a real contribution, not even to hate on the "negative" poster. "Oh Wow John Doe, Well done for supporting our Star Wars, you rock, you're the bee's knees, couldn't have see it better myself!" :ohmy
I'm done talking Star Wars on the forum you'll be glad to know, for these reasons.
Hmmmm......
Ok, some of you certainly are taking this a lot more seriously than I would think would have been the case. One thing to always keep in mind here is posting something on a forum is pretty darn permanent and can easily be misinterpreted. Unless of course you later edit things or remove them and so forth. I'm going to take a shot here and specifically focus on some things I'm seeing with certain people and comments. I typically don't usually do this, but in this case I think maybe I should.
First Tim...
Like I said before Tim, I think some of your comments do come off at times as facts and I think people get bothered by that simple fact. You also have to understand that when you post strong opinions like you did (especially on this type of subject), you are going to take some heat. My advice, just state things like "these are my views" and move on. You shouldn't really feel the need to defend your viewpoint unless you want to do that.
Bryan...
I understand your viewpoint and personality but I think others are having a problem with it. To some it comes off a bit rough. It is sometimes difficult to see if you are joking or serious or somewhere in between. I know this is a subject you feel strongly about, but attacking what other's think might not be the best way to handle things.
Dan...
I think some of your last comments confuse me the most of all. Especially things like commenting on the people commenting and not the subject matter itself. Your statements like, "can't be bothered to make a real contribution" bother me a great deal. I really don't appreciate how that reflects on anyone who decides to post on the forum. I really am bothered by this type of response here.
I probably could say more, but I'll leave it at this for now. I've tried to mainly stay out of this "discussion." I've been tempted to chime in more and perhaps even close the thread but I was trying to let people work things out. I'm debating about even posting what I just wrote or not too. I hope you guys can understand my intentions in posting this. I'm trying to "moderate" and mention things that I see from an outside viewpoint. I hope you will all take these comments in that way. Keep in mind this discussion is simply about an animated TV series. And with that in mind, it might have gone a little overboard. At least, that's my point of view.
Rico,
As you have directly responded to my comments I will respond on this subject even though I said I'd refrain from this subject.
I made it clear I was not following the series and my comments did not comment on the show itself because of this. I did feel that I needed to speak out because I felt somebody was being bullied into not sharing their opinion.
Are we not allowed to comment on perceived injustices written here?
I'm sorry to say in my opinion some people do chime in (especially on Star Wars posts) just to "big up" somebody who is being aggressive or dismissive to people trying to express a legitimate critisism. It has happened to me. They don't add to the discussion. To me this is the equivalent of somebody cheering on a schoolyard bully. You may not appreciate it being called out but again, is it not allowed to comment on this?
I don't think my posts have been in any way offensive. If you wish to remove these comments and transplant them to a post on the members forum I'd be happy to discuss it with anybody who wishes to. You are correct that this thread should be kept to discussing the show itself.
Wow. And this would be me not taking any side other than my own.
This was between me and Tim. We have said our piece and have moved on. He knows I don't hold a grudge and niether does he. I have no comment or really strong feelings about any of the other ancilary things that have been brought into this thread. At the top of the page we had returned on topic and I plan on staying there.
How about this guys. Since Season 4 of the series is over, I could just close this thread down. Then we can start a fresh season 5 discussion on the series itself, for those that wish to discuss it. I don't want to shut anyone out, but unless I hear any objections I will close this thread soon.
Quote from: Rico on March 19, 2012, 06:23:38 AM
How about this guys. Since Season 4 of the series is over, I could just close this thread down. Then we can start a fresh season 5 discussion on the series itself, for those that wish to discuss it. I don't want to shut anyone out, but unless I hear any objections I will close this thread soon.
No problem here, especially since I don't currently watch the show. I may have to start! :)
You should, it's great fun! And I would say leave the thread open, Rico. Someone may want to talk more about the season and we clearly moved on.
Quote from: Dangelus on March 19, 2012, 06:26:54 AM
Quote from: Rico on March 19, 2012, 06:23:38 AM
How about this guys. Since Season 4 of the series is over, I could just close this thread down. Then we can start a fresh season 5 discussion on the series itself, for those that wish to discuss it. I don't want to shut anyone out, but unless I hear any objections I will close this thread soon.
No problem here, especially since I don't currently watch the show. I may have to start! :)
I may have to as well. When the show first began I was really into it, to the point of being on quite a few season 1 episodes of Republic Forces Radio Network over at SWAN. Not sure what happened, I never started disliking the show, but my interest level just kind of died off a bit.
Quote from: billybob476 on March 19, 2012, 06:40:01 AM
I may have to as well. When the show first began I was really into it, to the point of being on quite a few season 1 episodes of Republic Forces Radio Network over at SWAN.
Oh, Lord, don't get me started on those guys! They make Tim sound like a gushing fanboy sometimes with their "analysis".
Quote from: Bryancd on March 19, 2012, 06:45:48 AM
Quote from: billybob476 on March 19, 2012, 06:40:01 AM
I may have to as well. When the show first began I was really into it, to the point of being on quite a few season 1 episodes of Republic Forces Radio Network over at SWAN.
Oh, Lord, don't get me started on those guys! They make Tim sound like a gushing fanboy sometimes with their "analysis".
hehe, possibly why I stopped partaking. I was turning into the apologist. My refrain was "if you compare this week to the start, it's come a very long way!"
Well, sometimes families fight, I think it's all good. After five years or so of everyone getting to know each other here I think these relationships can survive a little bit of dissent and occasional crabbiness/rudeness. I think I understand Rico's urge to close the thread as it doesn't shine as the greatest example of what everyone here loves about the forums. But not everything has to be roses and sunshine. Group hug everyone!
Personally I've watched the original animated feature and the first four episodes of the first season a couple months ago, but kind of lost my enthusiasm to continue for some reason. I do plan on getting caught up as soon as I have time. I agree with earlier comments that they've done a great job so far considering the self imposed limitations of being a prequel and I believe knowing what comes 20 or 30 years later is a bit of a handicap for the series to overcome. I'm looking forward to seeing more, especially this Darth Maul material since he seems like a pretty unique take on a villian for the franchise.