Figure I would start a thread for season four.. I still haven't watched the last half of Heroes season three but I hope to catch up before season four starts.
Mays Returns to "Heroes"
August 28, 2009 by Michael Hickerson
Warning: This story reveals SPOILERS for the upcoming season of "Heroes."
[spoiler]Actress Jayma Mays is returning to "Heroes" reports EW's Michael Ausiello.
Mays, who played Hiro's ill-fated love interest Charlie, in season one will reprise the role in the upcoming fourth season.
Her storyline will be a multi-episode one and find Hiro traveling through time with a bucket list of wrongs to right, according to Ausiello. And saving Charlie from death at the hands of Sylar appears to be high on the list.
Mays just finished shooting on the first season of "Glee" for Fox and was able to work with "Heroes" for the return visit.
"Heroes" begins its fourth season in September.
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It will be interesting to see whether/how we get this over here since the BBC is being heavily criticised for spending license fee money on US imports and Heroes id the flagship exaple that's taking all the flak.
Predictably enough, it's their competitors who are doing the criticising.
I liked the start quite a bit to season 4 last night. Seems like they are on the right track. I'm also impressed by the new group of bad guys from the carnival. Interesting group. Season looks to be off to a good start.
[spoiler]I want Hiro to get better sometime though. It's kind of obvious they are still limiting his powers due to how powerful a force he could be. But some of the stuff between him and Ando is still the best part of the show. I like what Peter is trying to do too. It makes sense for him to try and right the wrongs he feel they have done. Glad Danko is now gone finally too. Was tired of him.[/spoiler]
Here is the 4th season premiere via Hulu.com
Hulu - Heroes: Orientation / Jump, Push, Fall - Watch the full episode now. (http://www.hulu.com/embed/VWGuLQt3WlFOW-eiIjHo0g)
Anyone want to take a shot at Clare's the math problem?
Find all Solutions of:
X + 2y+ 3W +4Z
2x - Y+W-z = 1
3x + Y + 4W +3z = 12
-2x + 6y +4W+ 10z = 18
Looks like a system of simultaneous equations but the first line needs an equality.
Like to see how the new heroes(?) will work into the story. I'm liking this better than last season.
I like this season so far too. I missed seeing some of the other characters on last night's episode. But it's moving along pretty well. I want to learn more about the new characters soon.
After watching the 2nd episode of the season I've found it to be interesting.
[spoiler]I'm real interested in seeing where the story with the deaf girl goes. Parkman and Sylar's stuff is interesting except in some of the cases I actually agree with Sylar (don't know if that's bad or not), but I just feel like with Parkman since he has the ability he should be using it to help people (kind of bugs me that they treat it like a drug addiction). The Carnival stuff hasn't grabbed me yet, but I'll wait and see. And I'm not sure at all what to think about all the other characters, for the most part I don't really care about them anymore.[/spoiler]
So far "ok" in my opinion.
Yeah, so far it's pretty good. The Claire story is fine, The Parkman/Sylar stuff is good, although I agree with Shepard about how they are portraying his powers and I never liked Matt very much. The carnies, well I suppose we will see. I'm not liking the Hiro/Ando stuff and they used to be my favorites. I like the deaf girl and did anyone notice who her nurse was?
Kai Winn, Loise Fletcher from DS9. :)
Dude, Bryan. You're right it is. ;) I didn't recognize her without the nose ridges. :P You'd think I would notice, DS9 was my favorite Trek.
being a big fan of music I absolutely was in awe of [spoiler]The deaf lady and the Cello. It was such a cool scene, the colors and the sound made me go back and watch it again. It was peaceful and beautiful. I really liked it.[/spoiler]
Oh yeah - it was my favorite scene. Love that instrument.
Quote from: Scott on October 01, 2009, 06:57:37 PM
Dude, Bryan. You're right it is. ;) I didn't recognize her without the nose ridges. :P You'd think I would notice, DS9 was my favorite Trek.
I recognized her - that voice. It just grates on my nerves. She still sounds condiscending to me.
Quote from: markinro on October 01, 2009, 09:17:55 PM
Quote from: Scott on October 01, 2009, 06:57:37 PM
Dude, Bryan. You're right it is. ;) I didn't recognize her without the nose ridges. :P You'd think I would notice, DS9 was my favorite Trek.
I recognized her - that voice. It just grates on my nerves. She still sounds condiscending to me.
She was one of the best Trek characters ever! So conflicted and ultimately so nasty!
Yeah, I recognized her right off. Fletcher was also in the classic, Sci-Fi movie "The Andromeda Strain." Great film!
I finally caught up with Heroes for this season. So far pretty good, though I agree that some of the stories are going to take a bit of time to get into. The carnival story I will be interested to see where that goes, and might be good as Peter might be tied to it. Hoping that Ray Park shows up more this season, as for me never get to see him perform enough. Since my Wife and I met Ray at a con a few years ago, I always point that out to her, even though she tells me she knows already :)
I think they are pushing all the right characters this time. I didn't expect the Nathan/Sylar thing to be as interesting as we saw it get. Thought the girlfriend mystery was a nice touch.
Clare's story started strong but I hope they get back to the roommate death mystery.
I'd have to rule this last one a clunker. Why did Nathan/Sylar have amnesia? If he can heal, the gunshot wound and get out of the grave, why did he forget anything? Totally unexplained. I wanted to see him freak out at the discovery.
And did they ever drop the ball on Clare's story. We had a strong mystery she didn't solve it. Just explained by the villains. We go from her having something interesting to do, to this sorority story.
Though I really like having a deaf character on the show but I fail to see how seeing sounds is a useful power.
I thought it would have been more in character to have the roomie be responsible for everything. Introducing InvisiGirl out of nowhere was a bit of a let-down. I like Emma and her story. We got a little bit of Hero at the end. Sylar - what are we going to do about Sylar? I hope we learn more about the carnival. It's not the best season but better then last year.
I actually enjoyed this last episode quite a bit. The Sylar stuff makes perfect sense to me. See below:
[spoiler]Many of Sylar's powers are just kind of instinct now. One of the more recent ones (shape-shifting) he has to control more, so he reverted once shot. Basically they are showing the Nathan stuff fading and Sylar taking back control of his body. The Claire stuff I thought was ok. Oh, and the sound girl showed near the end that her power (and now Peter's) is much more powerful than just seeing sounds. Again, I liked the episode.[/spoiler]
Quote from: AlanP on October 13, 2009, 01:41:22 PM
I'd have to rule this last one a clunker. Why did Nathan/Sylar have amnesia? If he can heal, the gunshot wound and get out of the grave, why did he forget anything? Totally unexplained. I wanted to see him freak out at the discovery.
And did they ever drop the ball on Clare's story. We had a strong mystery she didn't solve it. Just explained by the villains. We go from her having something interesting to do, to this sorority story.
Though I really like having a deaf character on the show but I fail to see how seeing sounds is a useful power.
they've been explaining this the whole season. Sylar's body is pretty much a blank canvas that was convinced that it was nathan and reinforced by his contact with Nathan's stuff. the tenuous hold that nathan held was gone when he was shot. Sylar wakes up knowing nothing because his consciousness is doing battle with Matt Parkman. I think that it made perfect sense and followed the rules that they have been setting up since the start of the season.
I'm still not happy about Peter's powers or apparent lack of control, but Sylar and Hero's stories are both working for me.
I kind of liked this last episode too. I really dig the whole color and sound thing. Of course, that's just me. :)
I liked the last episode of Heroes if only for Peter and Emma's storyline. I thought Sylar's was ok, but didn't especially interest me. Same with the Carnival folks. But I'm real tired of Claire. Personally I'd be happy to see her off the show.
From something I read, we're not getting this until next year sometime. It's odd because Heroes was probably one o the first things on terrestrial TV to be shown in near synchronous timing with the US.
I had to watch it on Hulu because all of our network stations interrupted programming to follow the story of an empty apartment building burning to the ground. Here are my thoughts....
In drama, the antagonist normally carries story to create suspence. Why do we need to be afraid of the evil super carnies? So far our biggest fear as the audience is Hiro's tumor which we already have the cure for.
Nice to see Noah with something good to do in the recent episode.
Parkman has a strong story, yet we haven't seen much of him. What little we saw was great.
Written out? How about just writing her something to do? Claire had an interesting story, they spoiled it. There was no need for the audience to discover what happened to her roomie before Claire. She's not in a situation that calls for the use of her ability, nor puts her in danger, and now she can't even solve the mystery for the audience. "Nathan" with everything going on in that story solved the case of the old girlfriend. I hate to beat up on Claire because I really like that character but what's the point of her story this year?
I'm on the fence about the Syler story. Could go either way.
Where is Dr. Suresh? Shouldn't he at least be narrating?
OK, enough ranting for now. Sorry about all the negativity. Serenity now.
I'm liking this season and want to see where things go. It certainly is paced a bit different than previous years. Each week (as they have done in the past) we usually only see some of the heroes. So we don't get everyone each episode. But yeah, where is Suresh?
I've watched up till now...and quite frankly, this is a train wreck.
The racist? cops:
Wow, aren't we done with the "IF YOUR DIFFERENT YOU SHOULD BE DEAD!" deal? Its stereotypical about cops and quite frankly, disgusting and annoying to watch. I have yet to meet a cop who is like this, enough already.
Clair's story. Ok, we hazed her. Another stereotypical thing about sororities. Seriously? WHY? Why oh WHY did we need this? The rest of her story is just really lame.
Peter + Hiro + Colorized Woman (sorry forgot name). Interesting, but no real point as far as I can tell.
All I'm saying is, except for Sylar's story, its all stereotypical behavior with predictable plot. Throw everyone else out and keep Sylar and this show would probably be gold quite sadly. If this doesn't improve, I'll probably just throw the towl in.
Don't get me wrong, the Sylar bit is great and is why I love watching this show, but everything else is dragging. Hopefully it gets better, but we'll see.
King
Come on, King, at least we have carnies!! ;) I agree, the whole cop thing was so poorly done and over the top. The Claire stuff was a snoozer. I did enjoy Matt boozing it up, and I have to admit, Ilike the carnies even though I don't get them. Who is that actor who plays their leader? Where have I seen him before?
Well as bad as it's getting, I'm still not watching anything else on TV this season with the only exception of House.
Does anyone think Claire is being used correctly? I didn't hate it as bad as her segments in previous episodes. I think it would be cool to be in college with an ability, and think I could find cool and heroic things to do. This should be a no brainer for the writers.
Again, Noah given something cool to do and taken away, just like Claire. Still no reason why we need to be afraid of the super carnies. I enjoyed the Parkman/Sylar story this week.
EDIT:
Robert Knepper plays head Carnie. Looks like he does bit parts for lots of TV shows, CSI, Murder She Wrote, Brimstone, Law and Order, etc. He was in TNG as Wyatt Miller, and VOY as Gaul.
He had a major role in Prison Break too. I didn't realize he was from that TNG episode! HOW COOL!
Quote from: Kinglinksr on October 30, 2009, 11:53:48 AM
I've watched up till now...and quite frankly, this is a train wreck.
The racist? cops:
Wow, aren't we done with the "IF YOUR DIFFERENT YOU SHOULD BE DEAD!" deal? Its stereotypical about cops and quite frankly, disgusting and annoying to watch. I have yet to meet a cop who is like this, enough already.
Not to point out the obvious, but you don't fit the profile to meet cops like that. I however have met cops like that and can assure you that they exist. The thing that they did to the kid was also something that has been done before. I don't know of any police officers that have done that, but the behavior of the cops and the act itself was not something that the writers invented.
I think the story this week was very interesting and far from the usual predictable fare. I fully expected the kid to survive in some way and was happy to be proven wrong.
It was an interesting and intense episode this past week. But I kind of thought that they (the writers) were just using Jeremy to push Tracy towards the carny folks. Seemed kind of a waste. I also kind of thought that HRG was a bit naive if he thought they were easily going to just walk out the front door of the jail. He should know better than that. Anyway, interesting and different type of season so far.
Yeah we've got some bad cops. And I'm surprised that we aren't don't much about it when they misbehave. I'm sure you all saw the youtube video of the Highway Patrolman who had the medic in a choke hold this summer; I'm embarrassed to say he is once again on the force! Nothing was done. And he is patrolling the next town over from where my parents live! He just got one weeks paid leave and returned to work.
And it seems like busting Jeremy out of a small town jail would be well within the capabilities of HRG.
Another complaint is how they are trying to introduce the whole Claire as a lesbian story. I am 100% supportive of positive portrayls of gay couples in the media. I adore the gay couple on the series "Modern Family" but this seems VERY forced and contrived. Like they are trying to be shocking and controversial but it feels like it's been tacked on, no real development, just "Look! Girls kissing!!!"
LAME.
Quote from: Bryancd on October 30, 2009, 04:32:48 PM
Another complaint is how they are trying to introduce the whole Claire as a lesbian story. I am 100% supportive of positive portrayls of gay couples in the media. I adore the gay couple on the series "Modern Family" but this seems VERY forced and contrived. Like they are trying to be shocking and controversial but it feels like it's been tacked on, no real development, just "Look! Girls kissing!!!"
LAME.
I don't think this is a Claire as a lesbian story. I think this is a story where someone fell for Claire that happened to be a lesbian. It doesn't mean that Claire will turn into one. Also, the whole idea of someone with a crush on Claire this season was a plot point that they wanted to do, but the actress asked if the person crushing on her could be a woman because we had yet to see any gay characters in the show.
The girl kissed Claire and I don't think it's the first time someone got kissed unexpectedly. I can see how it might seem forced, but I think it's nice that someone saw that the show didn't have any gay folk and they put one in.
Claire was getting freaked out by her roommate, suspected her of trying to impale her at the party, was alarmed by the photos on the computer, then the surprise revelation of the 'girl crush'. All of a sudden, Claire is no longer freaked out. I can't say her getting OK with someone who had been alarming her just by a suppress kiss made sense to me.
I actually think the Claire/roommate situation is being handled pretty well. It hasn't seem that tossed in at all to me. I mean, it's college - the time to cut loose and experiment! I'm happy with the way it's being portrayed.
Quote from: Rico on October 30, 2009, 06:14:18 PM
I actually think the Claire/roommate situation is being handled pretty well. It hasn't seem that tossed in at all to me. I mean, it's college - the time to cut loose and experiment! I'm happy with the way it's being portrayed.
I'd just rather not have it at all. Claire is the one character I think I would like off the show the most. She just plain annoys me these days.
Quote from: Sheppard on October 31, 2009, 10:42:07 AM
I'd just rather not have it at all. Claire is the one character I think I would like off the show the most. She just plain annoys me these days.
I was thinking the same about Tracy. I just don't care about that character and would much rather be watching segments of Dr. Suresh, Micah, Monica or Adam.
Quote from: AlanP on October 31, 2009, 10:57:17 AM
Quote from: Sheppard on October 31, 2009, 10:42:07 AM
I'd just rather not have it at all. Claire is the one character I think I would like off the show the most. She just plain annoys me these days.
I was thinking the same about Tracy. I just don't care about that character and would much rather be watching segments of Dr. Suresh, Micah, Monica or Adam.
A agree, I don't really like Tracy either. In fact I'm really not liking any of the characters all that much this season excluding Peter and Emma. I think Hiro and Noah could be made interesting again, but the writers are going to have to start making them cool again. I want to see the Five Years Gone Hiro, what happened to him? Are we ever going to see that Hiro I wonder.
We were talking about bad cops earlier because of the bigoted officers (or at least it's what they made you think of.) So I thought perhaps this would be the thread to mention this one on. Then we can get back to heroes.
I had a pretty bad traffic stop last night. I almost cleared the intersection but not quite as the light turned from yellow to red at 11 PM in a town that was almost totally deserted at that hour. The light turned on a timer, which was also in a speed zone. I was respectful but he wanted to be a bully. I wasn't impressed. He tried to rattle me. Didn't work. I asked him why he felt it necessary to hit me with a ticket in this situation. He accused me of drinking. (Which I hadn't been.) Then he cussed me and called me a liar. He got onto me for still being in the road while pulled over. Well, there was no shoulder! My cousin by marriage who was once a police officer at the same precinct wrote on my facebook to write a letter to the chief.
From what I hear, he is a young guy his first year or so on the force. He graduated high school a year or two ago and was a star athlete but had a reputation for being a knothead to his team mates, coaches, and the other teams.
I got caught up with Heroes last night as watched the past 2. I was a bit disappointed with how the Noah/Jeremy/Tracy story finished up. I agree with some of the other comments, that Jeremy was there just to push Tracy towards the Carnies. I just feel it is a bit of a pity that they had to kill off the Jeremy character, as their plans for him actually had me interested in seeing more for this character. I guess as well, they were giving Noah a purpose, but now not sure what is next for him, does he just go back to the bench so to speak, and wait for something they can drop him into again?
I think they have Sylar stretched to much for me. The whole Sylar doesn't know who he is just feels like we have been over this before. The Sylar/Parkman story is starting to get a bit tired for me as well. I guess I am just hoping that both those stories get resolved shortly and Sylar is back to his villainous ways. If that was the end of Parkman as well, would not bother me, as finding his character getting more and more dull. Don't really care for his wife either, so hoping whatever his story is, her character is only in it temporarily.
The Carnie stuff I am hoping we find out more soon on. They spend a lot of time, and maybe I am missing something, but it seems weaved into just about every story arc, but I don't really know what their purpose is. Yeah, they do seem like in the end they are up to no good, but they seem to strike out against those who are hurting people with powers. I guess every time I am watching that part of the story, I am just wanting some idea where they are going with it. If someone could clue me in, that would be appreciated, as might make me enjoy this season more.
Ok, tonights episode was so jumbled. But I kind of liked it .. I think. :) I kind of like it when we go back into places we have been before like they do on Lost and stuff, but it has been so long since I watched the beginning that I had to kind of refresh myself on things. That is where I got confused. I guess if it isn't Star Trek I have a hard time remembering stuff. Oh well.
What did you think about this one?
I liked seeing Charlie again. Can't help but think this will cause some major problems in the present. I also just read a major spoiler on yahoo - check it out if you dare. Hard to believe they would leak this.
I think we saw a better effort than previous weeks, and the teaser for next week looks exciting. Looks like we'll be getting the conflict we've been missing all season. They jumped into a past episode; one from the first season when they were white hot, reminding us how good it was that first season. And I let it go but it seems that they are going back to that season too much and bleeding it dry. I hope next time they jump into a future episode like Kes jumped into the year of hell a season or so before that episode was shot. That would be cool.
Here is my main problem. The network only ordered 20 episodes this season. Down from 26. So they have wasted time by moving around the same chess pieces around the board for several weeks. We've got to see conflict. And we'll get some when Syler gets Matt Parkman into some trouble (from the teaser).
I liked this episode with Hiro trying to save Charlie. Really good use of the past I thought. I like the bit with HRG and the lady agent too. I thought that was handled very well. The ending was kind of hard to take and I'm starting to not like "Butterfly Man."
Personally I hated this episode. It just didn't makes sense to me. I loved the Charlie story from season 1 and I just felt like changing it now ruins that which I loved from season 1. I've been getting more and more annoyed with Heroes week by week, to the point which I'm ready to give up on this show. I'm just not enjoying it anymore.
Simple, don't watch if you're not enjoying it.
I'm still enjoying it.
Oh we like it. We are just worried about the show getting stale, losing raitings and getting in danger of cancelation. We've lost too many good shows because of raitings trouble. It's still better than amost everything else on TV.
I am not sure what to think of this Episode, but if they only doing 20 Episodes this season like Alan said, then they really need to bust a move on advancing the plot a bit more. To me, Noah's story felt a bit forced in this one, but I do see how it fits in with the previous episodes with him wanting to do good. With how they ended with Samuel, hopefully in the next few episodes we find out more about his story. He has been a bit frustrating to me, as I don't really know what he is about and he seems like a pivotal character this season, and for me, it might tie this season more together finding out much more about him.
I agree that the plot is a little slower this season. Maybe they have something big planned and it will drop like a bomb.
[spoiler]I'm happy they're bringing in Mohinder. I liked his character before he got the powers. I hope they make him interesting again though.
It seems to me like we may start to learn about the motives of the Carnie guy. He seems to be evil in one episode and semi-good in another.[/spoiler]
Quote from: Rico on November 03, 2009, 03:27:15 PM
I liked this episode with Hiro trying to save Charlie. Really good use of the past I thought. I like the bit with HRG and the lady agent too. I thought that was handled very well.
Yeah, I agree I did enjoy those aspects of this episode. It did nothing really to advance this seasons story but it was a fun time travel romp with hiro. I liked the stuff between him and Sylar. My wife actually stayed and watched this one, she gave up after last season, and she liked it. It kind of felt like one of the earlier season shows and I always like Hiro stuff.
Here are my concerns. (Probably all of ours) Heroes is a very expensive show to produce and goes up against House and Dancing with the Stars every Monday Night. If there was no danger of cancelation or budget reductions, I would be all for them taking their time to build up to whatever finish they want. But there is a danger that they may cut back even more. Or cancel the show. It needs to get better because I like the show and I want to see it continue.
So what did we all think of the last one?
Here are my thoughts. When Claire sold the idea that they had just been drugged at the beginning of the last episode; I thought, geez they don't seem to want to give Claire many problems this season. Maybe the writers love this character too much. I was thinking it was going to be another bad episode.
Thankfully, HRG seems to have regained his fangs. Returning to the morally grey character. (What would Bennet do?) I wonder why the Haitian needed to come and remove the girl's memories; if they were going that route anyway, why not just make them reject Claire's drug explanation and panic? But not a big deal at all as we got the HRG of old.
To me the BEST segments were the Sylar/Matt segments. This kind of high conflict constantly changing stories is the exact reason I got into Heroes.
As far as Sylar's body, I don't get it. Nice to see a return of Nathan (in a way) but how did he get the flying ability? Sylar never killed a flyer.
But even with these potential plot holes, I think this week's episode was best episode thus far this season. Hopefully we'll have a few more like this one.
It has been established that Sylar didn't need to kill to get a power. Remember what he did with Elle? Maybe since it's Nathans memories his body figured out how to fly because it knows how Nathan feels. Sylar learned out how to use Elle's powers by learning how she feels.
But the writers could just be stupid and not realize we would have noticed that.
I liked the episode and enjoyed the different stuff going on. I'm still not quite sure what Samuel from the Carnival is really up to. I also liked the Sylar/Matt scenes too. Interesting season I think so far.
Well last 2 week's stories brought some the much needed excitement, this week's.... Well I wasn't board. Not excited but not board. Nothing painful to watch except for the opening title declaring this to be episode 10. (Halfway through the season.) I was just thinking that we should have been farther along by now.
Did anyone else wonder if Sylar was doing Heath Ledger's Joker at the Thanksgiving dinner scene?
I liked this last episode quite a bit too and enjoyed Hiro standing up to Samuel. The Thanksgiving stuff was interesting and I'm glad certain things have been revealed about Sylar/Nathan now. I'm enjoying the season and the pacing. Oh, found this pic online that I thought was kind of funny.
Spock with Spot!!! :D
yeah, this was a great episode. I enjoyed it a lot.
So - what did everyone think about last nights episode?
I want to see more episodes like Shadowboxing. Lots of conflict and a feeling of imminent peril and suspense. To where you are on the edge of your seat and aggravated at the moment it cuts to commercial; packed with twists turns and surprises, To me, that's not only the best kind of scifi TV, but the best kind of TV period.
This one had a pretty grim and gothic feel to it, a few good moments here and there like the guy who multiplied, seeing puppet man again, and seeing Peter with the Haitian's powers. But I was bothered by the idea that Peter with memory erasing power couldn't erase Sylar's continuousness at least temporarily.
The transplanted Nathan giving up or Claire wanting to join the super carnies aren't the kinds of situations I'd like to see these characters in. By contrast, I like the Matt Parkman and Hiro story threads quite a bit. As a contrast to the dark story of the Petrellis, I would have rather see the B story to be Matt hiding from the law and trying to sneak back home.
The way they are using Claire these days has me wondering if there is trouble on the set with Hayden Panettiere and maybe they are trying to Wesley Crusher her. (When Wil Wheaton annoyed the TNG producers wanting to do more side projects and they stopped using him like they had.)
I think the show is getting better, and it was nice to see Parkman and Suresh back on the show.
I've been thinking that Parkman, being the everyman with an ability should have been the spotlight character this season but has been put on the back burner for reasons I didn't get. I hope I'm wrong; but I suspect Greg Grunberg's weight gain may have been something to do with it. He did seem heavier tonight than in previous shows. Greg Grunberg even made a comment on twitter: "TONIGHT #Heroes is Parkman-Heavy. Not a "heavy" Parkman. But I do have a lot to do, bitches!! Heroes 2NITE NBC 9pm!! RT"
Also, according to this story, Greg doesn't have any doubt that the show will be back because of the DVD sales as well as international success.
http://www.buddytv.com/articles/heroes/greg-grunberg-heroes-will-be-b-33586.aspx (http://www.buddytv.com/articles/heroes/greg-grunberg-heroes-will-be-b-33586.aspx)
However, I have been worried all season that we would lose the show; this chart shows why.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/f/fc/Heroes_US_Ratings_01.jpg (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/f/fc/Heroes_US_Ratings_01.jpg)
Finally starting to air this over here. I watched the first two last night (shown as a double episode here) and the third is on the DVR already.
I like the fact that they don't seem to have the same sort of reset this time around that we've seen between seasons in the past. Carrying the story on from where it left off is what I want to see.
The introduction of a mass of new folks with powers is also interesting and as long as they don't try to make them all main characters I think will only work to the benefit of the whole.
Hiro/Ando is OK but the whole 'Hero' bit is a little off-putting.
Of course I could be way off-base here but if you've already seen it all in the US...don't tell me, I'll find out on my own :)
I liked the most recent episode too. The best thing about this show is the characters. But I do want to see the overall story pick things up a bit. Looking forward to that.
[spoiler]I'm just glad Hiro is back to normal. It was cool for all the comic/trek/scifi references for a while, but they did get old.[/spoiler]
Caught up with the third one now.
What's the deal with Parkman and the AA group? That just confuses me.
Quote from: Feathers on January 15, 2010, 05:30:00 AM
Caught up with the third one now.
What's the deal with Parkman and the AA group? That just confuses me.
He was hitting the bottle pretty hard a few seasons ago, as I recall.
Is it really an AA group then? I was looking at it and thinking everyone must have known about his powers. I was just looking too deep if it really was AA.
I thought he was drinking because of what he did to Sylar.
I've really enjoyed the last two episodes. Matt had a lot to do, the plots are in place and even Claire's story is interesting.
Was last night the mid-season break or will there be more after the olympics?
If not - WHOA !!
I think that's it for this season.
I think it's safe to say Heroes is starting to get it's season 1 steam back. Too bad it happened at the end of the season. :P
I liked the last episode. It's better in HD. I wonder if we will get another season?
To me it felt like now that it was getting good again, we ran out of season. Hopefully, Greg Grunberg is correct and the international and the DVD sales will be strong enough for one more season. I'd hate to see it end that way.
Weird season to me, it seemed a good part of the season the story never progressed much, and then by the time they got to the end they had to end it all in about an hour.
[spoiler]I hate to say, but Samuel was sort of a weak villain in the end, and the climax of the season comes down to Peter and Him dueling it out over some broken up dirt seemed a bit lame. Never really fully understood his motivation past he felt he was done wrong, they needed more scenes like the one where he destroyed the town after his lady left him, and those needed to be earlier in the season. Also I felt they flip flopped with his character a bit, one week, he was bad, the next he was looking out for his family. The Episode where he got vengeance for that small town police department killing that boy really did not do anything for his Villain status, and left me confused on what he was. Just felt they should have made him more of a Monster early on.
How everything came together at the end in Central Park was a little to easy for me, Edgar had doubts about Samuel, and that guy who could multiply himself was manipulated by Matt, but felt they just threw in their Lot with Noah pretty easily. But I guess since they had to wrap all this up in an hour, no real time to build on that more.
Did like how they ended the Hiro and Charlie story, that was an interesting twist in that Hiro could not really change her life, as she had already lived it and did not want it changed. But felt a bit let down how under utilized Hiro and Ando were in the end.[/spoiler]
[spoiler]So, who believes Sylar has reformed and is now a good guy?[/spoiler]
Quote from: sheldar on February 10, 2010, 06:48:46 PM
[spoiler]So, who believes Sylar has reformed and is now a good guy?[/spoiler]
I do. Great episode and a great way to end it. I agree on Rico's points. But I think the show took a step in the right direction. Lets see what the future holds.
King
I kind of liked this season and the wrap up this week. I am glad things have change now a bit for some of them - and in other ways. Looking forward to next year's season already.
Still only four or five in over here but it feels a little more measured than some of the middle seasons have been. The whole "Heroes and Villains" season seemed to rush about at high speed without really getting anywhere but I'm thinking that someone is finally getting things under control here.
Has it already been renewed (since people are talking about next season)?
Not sure if it has been officially renewed yet or not. Don't think so. But there is a little teaser at the end of the season to give us a taste of things to come. Much like they seem to do on other shows sometimes.
Hmmm you know, not sure if we will see another season of Heroes. The ratings haven't been fantastic this season have they?
Personally I have enjoyed this season but I don't feel much for these characters anymore. I tend to agree that some of their motivations seem to 'flip-flop' a bit such as Samuel's. It's almost like they have lightened up the complexity of the plot a little too much. Some great action but some substance is missing.
If we do get a new season I like the direction taken at the end here.
I didn't think Samuel's motives kept changing. I always felt that we didn't get the whole picture. Towards the end his motives made more and more sense.
I agree with Scott, Samuel didn't change. We uncovered his ruse, but the core of who he was remained consistant. He was a frail soul that felt outcast and wanted to lash out when he didn't get what he wanted. It was always about him getting what he wanted and when he didn't get love and respect he settled on fear. If they couldn't walk with the humans, they would reign above them.
You have a point there. I think i got an impression from the beginning of the season that he was a much bigger player than he turned out to be.
I think they could have handled the Character of Samuel much better then they did, in the end like Dangelus said, he did not really seem like a big player. His character did not do to much for me in terms of being a villain, they needed more displays of his anger, like destroying that town. The whole story around his Girlfriend just seemed tacked on. Maybe there was something more to his character, I just didn't see it past the slow moving plot for his character.
Quote from: Dangelus on February 16, 2010, 11:08:55 AM
You have a point there. I think i got an impression from the beginning of the season that he was a much bigger player than he turned out to be.
Yeah, it's a shame, too, as he was very interesting and very well acted.
For the most part to me, it just felt like the writers were running out the clock. We knew that the network only ordered 20 episodes this year, and by 9, 10, 11, 12, it was mildly interesting but nowhere near where it needed to be by that stage in the story.
At least for me that's how it was.
We're still plowing through the mid-season over here and while it still interests me, there doesn't seem to be any major peril or mystery (other than the carnival). Certainly, there's nothing to focus all of the characters in the same way as some of the earlier seasons managed.
Give it two more seasons and this may be reduced to soap opera status :(
One thing I've been trying to do since the first season is not compare it too much to later seasons. I know that's a natural thing to do, but I still enjoy the characters even if the peril doesn't seem as big sometimes. I thought they did some new and interesting things this past season.
Quote from: Rico on March 16, 2010, 05:19:05 AM
One thing I've been trying to do since the first season is not compare it too much to later seasons. I know that's a natural thing to do, but I still enjoy the characters even if the peril doesn't seem as big sometimes. I thought they did some new and interesting things this past season.
I guess that's true and on that basis I've been enjoying the series thus far. Maybe this last episode is just a little slower than what went before. Hopefully, it will pick up just a little more as we head on to the end.
I believe the show could do with a bit of a house cleaning. Some of the characters are getting a bit stale for me. Specifically, I'd like to see Sylar killed off for a season or two. Claire could take a break for a while as well. That's just me though.
I agree that Claire's had way to much screen time for what she had to do this season, even though she and her dad are my favorite characters?
Who would you like to see pushed into the main story of next season? Anyone we haven't seen in a while you might want to see more of?
Quote from: AlanP on March 16, 2010, 11:46:50 AM
I agree that Claire's had way to much screen time for what she had to do this season, even though she and her dad are my favorite characters?
Who would you like to see pushed into the main story of next season? Anyone we haven't seen in a while you might want to see more of?
How about West Rosen Claire's ex-boyfriend who could fly? Or maybe Molly Walker or the guy who could breathe water Alex Woolsey? Perhaps we could find out what happened to him after Claire saved him from Danko's agents.
Plot idea: Have Noah Bennet draw together some of the most powerful of whole lot of heroes and villains with the express purpose of tracking down and eliminating Sylar once and for all. Perhaps have them succeed after an epic battle.
Inject some fresh faces and new energy into the show. I'm starting to rant- sorry.
Do you really need anyone more than someone with Hatian powers to track down and neutralise Sylar?
The problen is, what do you follow that up with in order to kill him?
(I won't volunteer who I might like to see - they're probably in the back half of this season.)
Quote from: Feathers on March 16, 2010, 04:01:45 PM
Do you really need anyone more than someone with Hatian powers to track down and neutralise Sylar?
The problem is, what do you follow that up with in order to kill him?
(I won't volunteer who I might like to see - they're probably in the back half of this season.)
Yep, the Haitian was the first character I thought of, but if he became involved there wouldn't be an epic battle. If Sylar were going out for good, I'd like to see him go out with a bang instead of a whimper. Again, that's just me.
Another plot idea: A mysterious influence makes it's presence felt among some of the heroes. Eventually it becomes apparent that it's alien in origin, possibly having something to do with everyone acquiring super powers.
Hmm, I should probably lay off the coffee for a bit. :)
Just got to the end of this series and I have to say that it picked up a little in my view. I'd be quite happy to see it come back after that.
Yes, the actual ending of Samuel was a little bit of a damp sqib but overall I was happy at the end.
It was alright. Not great, but alright. The problem I have is that each episode is too stand alone with not enough overlap of characters storylines between episodes. It's as if they assigned each episode a seperate writer and locked him/her up away from the others.
examples of this lazy writing.....
We need Mohinder for this episode. Bring him in at the beginning....does his thing.....disappears for 4 episodes. Does it again and leaves the show.
This episode we need Peter to be a healer for the last 5 minutes.....introduce Claire on a casual visit. Peter takes the power uses it at the end of the episode. Next episode he needs to fly at the end....introduce Nathan...power taken...used in last 10 minutes....next episode he needs to run quickly to someones aid.....oh look....hjere's Edgar or whatever his name is....!!
Each individual episode works....but they do not slot together in an ongoing story ark very well. Everything is just too coincidental. And how come every season we get every hero from series 1 and a couple of new comers. All new comers will either die or disappear...never to return as a main character!!
This series has ended in such a way that we can have a very strong season coming up.....if it gets another. If they set it 5 years in the future with some sort of catastophic event having occured leaving behind desolation, and then do the whole series as a flashback for each character leading up to the catastrophy. The characters would only come together at the end for the massive challenge...whatever that is.
But I suspect it will be more of the same!!
That's true but it doesn't make it 'bad'. I guess lazy is a good description.
I think that problem is manifest just as much between series (sorry, seasons!) as between episodes, but there it's much more jarring
By the way, you've reminded me, what did happen to Mohinder?
...for all my critique though, whenever I was sat down actually watching it, I always found myself really enjoying it!!
It's still got something about it....
So NBC axed the show....
I've read in a few places that there is hope of another season on the strength of their international appeal and DVD sales. Or that they may do a movie to wrap it up.
Thoughts?
I'd love to see a 2 hr. or 4hr. wrap up. Lots to still resolve. It would be too bad to see the show just fade away.
I don't know...which season will they wrap up?
While I've enjoyed it, as we've said before each season runs off at such a tangant to all that's gone before that it takes an effort to bring the whole lot together into a coherent picture.
If they go for a movie, I think they'd be better off making it as standalone as possible. I think my ideal would be a 'where do the powers come from' if such a thing has even been decided.
Quote from: Feathers on May 19, 2010, 01:52:55 AM
I don't know...which season will they wrap up?
While I've enjoyed it, as we've said before each season runs off at such a tangant to all that's gone before that it takes an effort to bring the whole lot together into a coherent picture.
If they go for a movie, I think they'd be better off making it as standalone as possible. I think my ideal would be a 'where do the powers come from' if such a thing has even been decided.
Well, they would most likely follow up after the end of the last season. Especially with the big announcement Claire had at the end of this past season.
I only watched that two weeks ago but had forgotten it already!
(Too much good TV and I'm still watching BSG season 4 as well as all the new stuff.)
Yes, that would also be a suitable topic to persue.
I really enjoyed Heroes but it is done... Officially canceled by NBC. So it would cool if they did a 2-3 hour wrap-up movie but the networks have a lousy history with doing that sort of thing. If they did, it would probably be direct-to-DVD release or perhaps a series of webisodes or something.
I would love to see something that was maybe a year or two in the future from the series finale. Show us what happened as a result of the Claire revelation. Did we get the mutant registration act? Were the specials accepted? Did Sylar finally go "good" or did he falter and finally get owned? Did Peter regain his ability to maintain multiple powers?
Many questions that could be wrapped up.
You know who they need to bring in on this show to finish it out - Joss Whedon!
To Add Insult to Injury, Heroes is being sued for apparently copying the Carnival Story Line
http://jam.canoe.ca/Television/2010/05/19/14005976-wenn-story.html (http://jam.canoe.ca/Television/2010/05/19/14005976-wenn-story.html)
QuoteTV executives for the show Heroes are facing a $60 million lawsuit from a comic book artist who alleges they copied one of his storylines, according to a new report.
Jason Barnes has filed the multi-million dollar claim against TV network NBC over the inclusion of a travelling carnival plot in the drama, which he claims was copied from his comic story Jazan Wild's Carnival Of Souls!
In the papers, obtained by celebrity blogger Perez Hilton, Barnes' lawyer states, "The settings and the storylines are virtually the same. The main character in both stories leads a carnival of lost souls and outcasts. This dark character seeks to make his carnival more powerful by recruiting new members with special abilities.
"The appearance of some of the characters is also virtually identical to those in the plaintiff's books... Even the dialogue is similar. Indeed, some of the scenes in Heroes appear as if the plaintiff's books were used as storyboards by the defendants."
Not sure if this is just coincidence they are sued just after it was announced they were cancelled, or if the execs felt there might be some merit to the lawsuit, and decided to cancel the show so it they are ruled against they can claim the property was not as valuable since the storyline led to it's cancellation (just speculation on my part)
I don't think it had anything to do with it; these lawsuits happen often in entertainment. Great minds do think alike. I remember a similar case in England over Hairy Potter. And I don't think I'd want to allege the carnival was my idea if I want a future as a comic writer because everyone would blame me for writing the storyline that killed heroes.
Heroes Story Won't be Wrapped with Movie
by Silas Lesnick
Sep 10th, 2010
NBC is not moving forward with the TV movie
Entertainment Weekly has learned that NBC is not moving forward with a movie that would wrap up "Heroes." There was some talk about the possibity of a TV movie after the network cancelled the show last May.
In June, Kring told EW that "the Heroes brand is an extremely broad premise. It was a premise about ordinary people, an undisclosed number of people all over the world, who were waking up to these extraordinary abilities. Any number of stories could happen around that. We never posited a single ending or a single premise. It wasn't about getting off of an island or stopping something from happening. We told stories in volumes that had a beginning, a middle, and an end. Those volumes could go on and on and on with many different characters. As a result, that Heroes universe is something that can be tapped into again in many ways."
Not a big surprise. A little sad, but not surprising.
King