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Title: New Joss Whedon TV Series - Dollhouse
Post by: Geekyfanboy on October 31, 2007, 11:39:12 PM
This is such shiny news.. Joss Whedon has a new show for.. yep you guessed it... FOX

Here's a snippit from E online:

Whedon's new Fox series, called Dollhouse, stars Miss Eliza Dushku, best known as Faith to you Buffy the Vampire Slayer fans. And this show isn't just a pilot. It's already been given a seven-episode commitment by Fox. Woo!

Here's how Fox describes the series:

    Echo (Eliza Dushku) [is] a young woman who is literally everybody's fantasy. She is one of a group of men and women who can be imprinted with personality packages, including memories, skills, language—even muscle memory—for different assignments. The assignments can be romantic, adventurous, outlandish, uplifting, sexual and/or very illegal. When not imprinted with a personality package, Echo and the others are basically mind-wiped, living like children in a futuristic dorm/lab dubbed the Dollhouse, with no memory of their assignments—or of much else. The show revolves around the childlike Echo's burgeoning self-awareness, and her desire to know who she was before, a desire that begins to seep into her various imprinted personalities and puts her in danger both in the field and in the closely monitored confines of the Dollhouse.

So, how did Dollhouse come about? When will it start, given the impending strike? And what are the chances a few Buffy alums might make it onto the show? To find out, read on for my exclusive one-on-one Q&As with creator and executive producer Joss Whedon and star and producer Eliza Dushku. (Pinch me.) You honestly won't believe how fast this all happened, or where the idea first began!

http://www.eonline.com/gossip/kristin/detail/index.jsp?uuid=972f7d73-e0a2-43ea-abad-0abf6afba1f3

Oh, and P.S. to all you fans of writer/producer Tim Minear (Angel, Wonderfalls, Firefly, Drive). He tells us: "Joss has pathetically begged me to be involved. And I hate to see a slightly younger man weep like a girl. So I said, 'm'kay.' I'll be playing with dolls one way or t'other."
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Post by: Rico on November 01, 2007, 04:30:45 AM
WOW!  That sounds fantastic!  Thanks for posting this great news Kenny.
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Post by: Geekyfanboy on April 17, 2008, 10:50:23 AM
Pilot For 'Dollhouse' Exceeds Expectations

by ROBIN BROWNFIELD
Source: E! Online
Apr-17-2008

It was bound to happen sooner or later. The script for the pilot of the highly anticipated Joss Whedon/Eliza Dushku series, "Dollhouse," has landed in the hands of people such as E! Online's Kristen Dos Santos and Televisionary Jace, who both report that the script and potential series exceeds all expectations.

"I am still trying to catch my breath," said Jace in a relatively spoiler-less review of the script. "While I had extremely high expectations for 'Dollhouse' (I always trust in the Joss), I was worried that, after all of the hype and hoopla, it wouldn't quite live up to my preconceived notions about the project. I am happy to say that not only were those expectations matched but they were exceeded."

The pilot episode is called "Echo," which is the name of the show's central character played by Dushku. Echo, according to Fox's official description "is a young woman who is literally everybody's fantasy. She is one of a group of men and women called 'Actives' who can be imprinted with personality packages, including memories, skills, language — even muscle memory — for different assignments. The assignments can be romantic, adventurous, outlandish, uplifting, sexual and/or very illegal. When not imprinted with a personality package, Echo and the others are basically mind-wiped, living like children in a futuristic dorm/lab dubbed the Dollhouse, with no memory of their assignments — or of much else.

"The show revolves around Echo's burgeoning self-awareness, and her desire to know who she was before, a desire that begins to seep into her various imprinted personalities and puts her in danger both in the field and in the closely monitored confines of the Dollhouse."


 According to Jace, among the themes in the show are the development of Identity, self-determination, and free will. It delves into issues of morality and mortality and asks hard questions about the ethical ramifications of science and technology.


Many people wonder if Echo will simply be vampire slayer Faith in a different setting. Word is that Echo will not only not be Faith, but has about 48 different faces to show the world. Whedon has created a challenging character for Dushku. The set-up of the show allows her play a variety of personalities and moods in a single episode. In the pilot episode alone, Echo assumes at least five identities.

Echo, has her mind wiped by a computer genius named Topher after every assignment, so she can't remember anything she's done, who she is, or who she's been. She, unlike the other Actives, is struggling with self-awareness, as she begins remembering things from her previous "engagements" that she shouldn't. There are things that her "captors" don't want her to remember.



As can be expected with a work by Whedon, there is much more to "Dollhouse" than meets the eye. It is populated with morally gray characters "engaged in one of the most sickening and intriguing displays of human trafficking ever devised" according to Jace.

Tahmoh Penikett's FBI agent Paul Ballard, who may serve as a love interest for Echo, is obsessed with opening up the Dollhouse, but he may have more in common with the Dolls than he knows.



Olivia Williams, will play Adelle Dewitt, "a Frigidaire administratrix whose rare brushes with human empathy and compassion are enough to make you suspect she might just be a good guy after all" according to Dos Santos.



 Still yet to be cast, Dr. Claire Saunders, will have visible facial scars from a razor-blade attack in her past.

There's also an unexplained back story (referred to as Alpha) that will likely be revealed over time if Fox doesn't rip our hearts out and cancel the show. Also the power structure within the Dollhouse is a fluctuating, living thing unto itself.

As with Whedon's other series, it's difficult to pigeonhole it into one genre. It's an action-adventure yarn. It's science-fiction. It's a mystery. It's a statement on the human condition. It's likely to be like nothing we've ever seen before.

"Dollhouse" is slated to premiere this fall on Fox.
Title: Re: New Joss Whedon TV Series - Dollhouse
Post by: Rico on April 17, 2008, 11:49:22 AM
The more I hear about this show, the more I am liking it.  It does mix in ideas we have seen before.  A pretty strong Matrix element, a bit of "Alias" and several things I have seen in comics.  But I know Joss will put his own spin on it all and make it great!  Can't wait!
Title: Re: New Joss Whedon TV Series - Dollhouse
Post by: wraith1701 on April 17, 2008, 11:54:53 AM
Quote from: StarTrekFanatic5 on October 31, 2007, 11:39:12 PM
This is such shiny news.. Joss Whedon has a new show for.. yep you guessed it... FOX

Dun - dun - dunnn!    :unsure
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Post by: Geekyfanboy on April 17, 2008, 02:04:46 PM
Amy Acker Cast In Joss Whedon's 'Dollhouse'

By ROBIN BROWNFIELD
Source: Whedonesque
Apr-17-2008

As filming for the first episode of "Dollhouse" gets closer, the news is starting to roll in faster than a rumor on the internet. Amy Acker, best known by fans of "Angel" as Winifred "Fred" Berkle and Illyria, has been cast in the new Joss Whedon series.

The news was posted Thursday morning by series creator Joss Whedon on Whedonesque.

"I just couldn't resist letting you know that the recurring roles have actually been cast for some time now," Whedon said. "I'm shocked that any part of our casting process hasn't been leaked somehow. And though I'm a fan of secrets, I'll give you the last two pieces of this particular puzzle."

Those pieces are that the character of November -- who will recur but will not be in the pilot -- will be played by Miracle Laurie, while Dr. Claire Saunders will be played by Acker.

"All in all, pound for pound, soup to nuts, man vs beast, it's a pretty amazing ensemble," Whedon said. "I'm not sure how I landed this troupe, but rest assured I'm gonna write bestest good word for talkacting to them yes! They're in good hands."

This announcement comes on the heels of the announcement that Harry Lennix ("The Matrix Reloaded," "The Matrix Revolutions") has been cast as Boyd Langton, the ex-cop who keeps track of Echo (Eliza Dushku) when she's out and about on her missions.

"Dollhouse" revolves around Echo, a young woman who is one of a group of men and women called "Actives" who can be imprinted with personality packages and be whomever paying customers want them to be. Their assignments can be romantic, adventurous, outlandish, uplifting, sexual and/or very illegal. When not imprinted with a personality package, Echo and the others are basically mind-wiped, living like children in a futuristic dorm/lab dubbed the Dollhouse, with no memory of their assignments—or of much else.

The show revolves around Echo's burgeoning self-awareness, and her desire to know who she was before, a desire that begins to seep into her various imprinted personalities and puts her in danger both in the field and in the closely monitored confines of the Dollhouse."



Acker, Laurie, and Lennix join a cast that also features Dushku, Tahmoh Penikett ("Battlestar Galactica"), Fran Kranz, Dichen Lachman, Enver Gjokaj and Olivia Williams.
Title: Re: New Joss Whedon TV Series - Dollhouse
Post by: Rico on April 17, 2008, 02:13:59 PM
Awesome!!
Title: Re: New Joss Whedon TV Series - Dollhouse
Post by: spidey27 on April 17, 2008, 02:20:50 PM
Reading it off the Whedonesqe.com, it sounds like Amy could just be a re-curring character as opposed to a full time opening credits character. Then again a lot of characters who join Joss shows start out as recurring characters and end up as full time cast members.  :spidey
Title: Re: New Joss Whedon TV Series - Dollhouse
Post by: Geekyfanboy on May 15, 2008, 03:46:24 PM
Our first look at the cast of Joss Whedons' new series Dollhouse
Title: Re: New Joss Whedon TV Series - Dollhouse
Post by: Geekyfanboy on May 15, 2008, 04:02:15 PM
Preview of Dollhouse.. check it out.. looks goooood  :metallica:

Title: Re: New Joss Whedon TV Series - Dollhouse
Post by: Rico on May 15, 2008, 04:10:23 PM
WOW!  OMG - that looks amazing!
Title: Re: New Joss Whedon TV Series - Dollhouse
Post by: Geekyfanboy on May 15, 2008, 04:17:53 PM
Quote from: Rico on May 15, 2008, 04:10:23 PM
WOW!  OMG - that looks amazing!

Of course it does  :biggrin .. it's Joss Whedon.. let's just hope it lasts more then a few episodes.
Title: Re: New Joss Whedon TV Series - Dollhouse
Post by: Rico on May 16, 2008, 04:51:12 AM
YouTube pulled it already.  Try here....

http://www.brightcove.tv/title.jsp?title=1556691805
Title: Re: New Joss Whedon TV Series - Dollhouse
Post by: Geekyfanboy on May 20, 2008, 07:22:07 PM
Whedon Unveils Dollhouse Origins

Joss Whedon, creator of the upcoming Fox SF series Dollhouse, told SCI FI Wire that he came up with the show's concept during a lunch meeting with star Eliza Dushku, a longtime friend and colleague, who played Faith in Whedon's Buffy the Vampire Slayer.

"It came from my conversation with Eliza about her, about her life, her career, about what everybody wanted from her, what they wanted her to become and what she was trying to become," Whedon said in an interview last week during Fox's upfront presentation to advertisers in New York. "That's really what the show is about. It's about plumbing the depths of our identity."

Dollhouse stars Dushku as Echo, a member of an underground, illegal group of people who've had their personalities wiped clean, enabling them to be imprinted with any number of new personalities to carry out missions at the behest of their handlers. The people, called "Actives," live in a spa-like facility called the Dollhouse, and everything seems to be going according to plan until Echo begins to experience self-awareness and feels compelled to uncover the truth about her identity.

"It's sort of taking the role of a Frankenstein monster and saying, 'Who am I? Who created me? Why am I like this? What's good about me? What's bad about me? What's eternal about me? And what's just evanescent?'" Whedon said. "And everyone in the show is dealing with that same issue, but for a different reason. That, to me, is the heart of the thing: 'Well, who are we?'"

Fox has picked up Dollhouse for seven episodes. On a weekly basis, Whedon said, viewers will see Dushku as different characters. Echo will have a new engagement every week and, as a result, a new purpose and a new personality each week, too.

"The exciting thing--and part of the other reason I created the show--is that Eliza is very versatile, and this will be a chance for her to play 100 different people," Whedon said. "They'll all be her--she's not going to wear old-person makeup or anything like that--but they'll all be from very different social strata, with very different agendas and very different motivations and very different things. Every week [Echo] will have an agenda that's evil or decent or sexual or romantic or altruistic. It can be anything."

The show's other characters include Adelle (Olivia Williams), a Dollhouse leader; Boyd (Harry Lennix), Echo's handler; Topher (Fran Kranz), the morally ambivalent programmer who wipes the Actives' memories; Dr. Claire Saunders (Amy Acker, late of Whedon's Angel), a doctor who feels protective of the Actives; Paul Smith (Battlestar Galactica's Tahmoh Penikett), an FBI agent inching closer to the Dollhouse; and Sierra (Aztec Rex's Dichen Lachman) and Victor (Enver Gjokaj), Echo's fellow Actives.

"There will be a flow-through of the show as well, about [Echo] and the characters surrounding her and how the Dollhouse works, how it doesn't work, and her burgeoning self-awareness," Whedon said. "Between these engagements, she's this complete innocent and starts to go, 'Hey, here I am in the Garden of Eden. What's this apple, and what do I do with it?'" Dollhouse will premiere in early 2009. --Ian Spelling
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Post by: Geekyfanboy on May 29, 2008, 11:06:53 PM
Do fans know Fox.. or do fans know Fox...

Whedon Fans Gearing Up "Save Campaign"
Posted by Sam on Thursday, 29 May 2008

http://www.sliceofscifi.com/2008/05/29/whedon-fans-gearing-up-save-campaign/

According to Wired.com, Joss Whedon fans are already beginning a big campaign to save the popular writer/director/producer's next SF project titled "Dollhouse," before it has even hit the air.

There doing this, not because they think Whedon has a stinker on his hands, but because they all know which network the television series will be premiering on — FOX!

The last time Whedon dealt with Fox was with his uber-popular, but very short-lived phenomenon called "Firefly." Fox literally trashed the show, running episodes out of sequence, changing airdates without notice and axed it after a handful of episodes. The show has gone on to be one of the most popular DVD sellers in the entertainment industry's history and led to a big screen feature film titled "Serenity," not from 20th Century Fox, but its competitor, Universal Pictures.

Die-hard Whedonites want to make sure Fox doesn't try that same kind of tactic with his newest project, "Dollhouse, a sci-fi drama about a group of high-tech killer assassins.

Taking the lead in this campaign is the newly developed community website DollhouseForums.com. Those involved in the blossoming organization are asking Whedon fans everywhere across the country to begin developing a strategy to find ways to contact local Fox affiliates, advertisers and other movers and shakers about "Dollhouse." Some of organizer suggestions have been to set up viewing parties, watch the trailers online, buy Dollhouse-endorsed merchandise and to create more Dollhouse-fan sites.

Others are convinced that this could be much ado about nothing, noticing a change at Fox over the last season with the renewal of such shows as "Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles" and also believe Fox now realizes the mistake they made with dumping "Firefly." These fans have a wait-and-see attitude about "Dollhouse."
Title: Re: New Joss Whedon TV Series - Dollhouse
Post by: Rico on May 30, 2008, 12:03:21 PM
Interesting.  Now that is some future planning & thinking ahead.
Title: Re: New Joss Whedon TV Series - Dollhouse
Post by: Geekyfanboy on July 22, 2008, 04:30:29 PM
Man this sounds like deja vu..

Joss Whedon: Welcome to the New Dollhouse

Natalie Finn Tue Jul 22, 11:51 AM ET

Los Angeles (E! Online) - As all Buffy, Angel and Firefly fans know, when Joss Whedon gets it right, he gets it very, very right. And if he gets it wrong—he'd rather us not know it.
The writer-producer confirmed on his Whedonesque website today (via a faux Q&A with "Rutherford D. Actualperson" ) that he is reshooting the pilot for his upcoming Fox series Dollhouse after both he and some network execs—who picked up the Eliza Dushku-starring sci-fi drama earlier this year based on concept alone—became concerned that his intended opener didn't make a whole lot of sense.

"What's that, you say? A second first? How can such a thing be? Does it defy the laws of all physics?" the show runner blogged.

"I said [the pilot] was grand, I didn't say it was comprehensible. I showed some scenes to David Lynch and he's all, 'whuh?' Bad sign. But I kid," assured Whedon.

"The fact is, I'm very proud of the ep we shot and the series is making me crazy with the excitement. But I tend to come at things sideways, and there were a few clarity issues for some viewers. There were also some slight issues with tone—I was in a dark, noir kind of place (where, as many of you know, I make my home), and didn't bring the visceral pop the network had expected from the script. The network was cool about it, but not sure how to come out of the gate with the ep."

The intended pilot will instead be Dollhouse's second episode and the production delay isn't supposed to affect the Monday-night series' midseason premiere.

"Joss came to the realization that there was a better way to start the show," a spokesman for 20th Century Fox Television told Variety. "After he wrote episode two, he asked the network to use that as episode one."

The drama, about a group of Actives—or Dolls—who have had their minds wiped clean so that their Handlers can impress upon them any persona, information, or skill necessary to carry out a particular mission, also stars Angel alum Amy Acker, Tahmoh Penikett, Dichen Lachman, Fran Kranz, Olivia Williams and Enver Gjokaj.

During a live Q&A Monday with WashingtonPost. com readers, Whedon was asked where Dollhouse measured up on the funny scale alongside Buffy the Vampire Slayer and Firefly.

"Less overt humor," Whedon responded. "Dollhouse is more a real-world piece. But asking me not to make jokes is like asking Monet to lose the lily pads. We've all got our tics."
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Post by: Geekyfanboy on September 11, 2008, 10:34:15 AM
Whedon's "Dollhouse" Halts Filming
By Garth FranklinThursday, September 11th 2008 12:05am

Joss Whedon's new drama "Dollhouse" shut down production on Thursday for a couple of weeks to work on scripts, says The Hollywood Reporter.

Creator/executive producer Whedon, who has been busy directing the first two episodes of the series, asked Fox for a timeout as he wasn't completely happy with the quality of upcoming scripts.

Shooting came to a halt just as the third episode of the new season wrapped. Filming will resume September 25th and the show will premiere in January.
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Post by: Geekyfanboy on October 27, 2008, 10:09:10 AM
http://www.sliceofscifi.com/2008/10/27/whedon-throws-out-original-dollhouse-pilot/ (http://www.sliceofscifi.com/2008/10/27/whedon-throws-out-original-dollhouse-pilot/)

Whedon Throws Out Original Dollhouse Pilot
October 27, 2008 by Michael Hickerson   || Category: TV

Fans concerned about Joss Whedon's upcoming series "Dollhouse" may be able to breath a sigh of relief today.  Over the weekend, Whedon took a few minutes to update fans on the current status of his mid-season Fox series on his blog at Whedonesque.

Whedon told fans that the original pilot has been "scrapped" and that the decision to do so was his.  The decision came after meetings with Fox execs, who wanted asked for changes.

"Basically, the Network and I had different ideas about what the tone of the show would be. They bought something somewhat different than what I was selling them, which is not that uncommon in this business," Whedon wrote.

Once Whedon took Fox's notes to "up the stakes, make the episodes more stand-alone, stop talking about relationships and cut to the chase" he made the decision that a new pilot was needed for the show.

The show was forced into a shutdown after the meeting that Whedon called "frustrating as hell," but says that the changes have made the show better in the long run.

"This kind of back and forth has happened on every show I've done, so if you liked those, chances are that was a part of why. And the need to focus on the essentials of what makes this universe tick - and which wire to cut to make it stop - really does bring up our game," he wrote.

Whedon also assured fans that things are still on course for "Dollhouse."

"Nothing essential has changed about the universe," he said.  "The ideas and relationships that intrigued me from the start are all there (though some have shifted, more on that), and the progression of the first thirteen eps has me massively excited. The episode we're shooting now I wrote as fast as anything I have before, not because I had to (although, funny side-note: I had to) but because I couldn't stop the words from coming. Because I can feel the show talking to me; delighting, scaring and occasionally even offending me."

"Dollhouse" is set to debut next year on Fox.
Title: Re: New Joss Whedon TV Series - Dollhouse
Post by: Rico on October 27, 2008, 10:48:03 AM
Interesting comments.  What I don't ever get is why the changes are not made at the script stage before they spend time and money filming?  Maybe TV executives can't read?!?!   :roflmao
Title: Re: New Joss Whedon TV Series - Dollhouse
Post by: Geekyfanboy on October 27, 2008, 10:54:17 AM
Quote from: Rico on October 27, 2008, 10:48:03 AM
Interesting comments.  What I don't ever get is why the changes are not made at the script stage before they spend time and money filming?  Maybe TV executives can't read?!?!   :roflmao

Well to be honest.. things can look and sound great in a script but once you visually see it (after shooting), it might not work. Happens all the time... and executives are idiots.
Title: Re: New Joss Whedon TV Series - Dollhouse
Post by: Rico on October 27, 2008, 11:50:15 AM
That's true Kenny, but it sounds like they had some pretty big issues with things.  I get the feeling they sort said, "hey Joss, go make us a show."  And when they saw it they wanted to change stuff.  I really thought if Joss ever came back to TV he would hold out for more control and say.  I hope this all works out because this show sounds like a great concept.
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Post by: billybob476 on October 27, 2008, 11:58:31 AM
it also seems like Joss keeps having issues with Fox in particular.
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Post by: KC on October 27, 2008, 03:07:54 PM
The good sir Whedon actually posted a blog over at Whedonesque--which is quite a rarity, let me tell you--about what is going on with Dollhouse and the shenanigans going on behind the scenes with the network.  It's a really good read, especially with Joss's colloquial language.  I highly recommend checking it out. 

http://whedonesque.com/comments/17945 (http://whedonesque.com/comments/17945)
Title: Re: New Joss Whedon TV Series - Dollhouse
Post by: Geekyfanboy on November 05, 2008, 11:18:18 AM
New Trailer is out.. can't wait for this series.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1WwPpfyPUC8 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1WwPpfyPUC8)
Title: Re: New Joss Whedon TV Series - Dollhouse
Post by: Geekyfanboy on November 05, 2008, 11:21:20 AM
hmmm for some reason the link isn't working...

but if you click on it, it will take you to youtube and the video.
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Post by: billybob476 on November 05, 2008, 11:24:00 AM
Quote from: StarTrekFanatic5 on November 05, 2008, 11:21:20 AM
hmmm for some reason the link isn't working...

but if you click on it, it will take you to youtube and the video.
I see it fine...
Title: Re: New Joss Whedon TV Series - Dollhouse
Post by: Geekyfanboy on November 05, 2008, 11:28:32 AM
hmmm seems to be working now...
Title: Re: New Joss Whedon TV Series - Dollhouse
Post by: Rico on November 05, 2008, 04:17:15 PM
Still looks great!
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Post by: Geekyfanboy on November 07, 2008, 08:02:57 PM
This doesn't look too good.. give it the death slot.. oh well guess will have to wait and see.

Dollhouse Friday Debut Set

In a surprise move, Fox announced that it will debut Joss Whedon's much-anticipated but troubled SF series Dollhouse in a problematic Friday-night timeslot on Feb. 13, 2009, following Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles, which also moves to Fridays from Mondays on that day.

Dollhouse, starring Eliza Dushku, will air Fridays at 9 p.m. ET/PT, nicknamed "the death slot." The X-Files flourished in that timeslot, but no other show has survived it, including Whedon's earlier Fox series, Firefly.

Sarah Connor, which has struggled in the ratings in its Monday 8 p.m. slot, moves to Fridays at 8.

Dollhouse was originally envisioned as a follow-up to Fox's hit 24 on Mondays. The show, which scrapped its original pilot and took several weeks off to retune its concept and scripts, is now in production.

Meanwhile, Fox's Fringe, the top new series of the season among adults aged 18-49, will air in its regular time period, Tuesdays at 9 p.m., and will undoubtedly get a boost from a new lead-in, American Idol, starting Jan. 20, 2009.
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Post by: wraith1701 on February 13, 2009, 07:21:42 PM
OK; anyone see tonight's premier? Thoughts?

I'm thinking the show shows a lot of promise!  In just an hour, Whedon has set the stage for an extremely intriguing idea, and has created a group of riveting characters.  The leads, the supporting cast, and even the ones who would best be described as A-holes are all surprisingly well painted-- I'm looking forward to seeing how their stories develop. 

And the biggest surprise of all:  Fox just might have chosen a good time to air this show.  By pairing it up with Terminator, and setting these two shows up as a lead-in to BSG, the network just might tap into the sci-fi fans already set to watch TV on Friday night. 

I hope the show does well. :)

By the way, [spoiler]Eliza Dushku's reaction to seeing her "kidnapper" felt frighteningly realistic.  [/spoiler]She's a better actor than I thought. 

(Yay!  I got to use the spoiler button!  ;D )
Title: Re: New Joss Whedon TV Series - Dollhouse
Post by: Rico on February 13, 2009, 07:49:01 PM
I liked it too.  Eliza I thought was very good - very convincing.  I thought it was a good intro to the series.  I have just one tiny, tiny little thing bugging me.  The big WHY of it all.  WHY do what they do?  It's seems rather than program someone to be what you want, why not just get someone with those skills?  I guess I could come up with a reason, but I'd like to hear more about the WHY of doing what they do.  It's not a huge thing for me, just hope they explore that a bit.
Title: Re: New Joss Whedon TV Series - Dollhouse
Post by: KC on February 13, 2009, 08:37:32 PM
I really enjoyed tonight's premiere. I've always believed in Eliza's acting ability--especially after seeing the episodes "Five by Five" and "Sanctuary" from Angel--and I think this show is going to be good for her. And Joss Whedon is just the master at what he does. The script was fantastic and his direction is very clean and gritty at the same time.

[spoiler]I totally cheered when it was discovered that Echo was still in her negotiator mode. I think my entire building might have heard me...  :D[/spoiler]
Title: Re: New Joss Whedon TV Series - Dollhouse
Post by: X on February 13, 2009, 09:04:10 PM
Quote from: Rico on February 13, 2009, 07:49:01 PM
I liked it too.  Eliza I thought was very good - very convincing.  I thought it was a good intro to the series.  I have just one tiny, tiny little thing bugging me.  The big WHY of it all.  WHY do what they do?  It's seems rather than program someone to be what you want, why not just get someone with those skills?  I guess I could come up with a reason, but I'd like to hear more about the WHY of doing what they do.  It's not a huge thing for me, just hope they explore that a bit.
I think it's more cost effective to make what you need instead of keeping an infinite number of people on retainer for a certain role.
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Post by: moyer777 on February 13, 2009, 10:16:12 PM
Ok, I just got done watching it.  I liked it.  Great idea, intriguing concept. 

At first though, I was thinking... oh oh.  When the papers were being signed.. I thought, here we go with like the Viper premise, or all sorts of others.. the folks who have a checkered past sign up to be the new heroes by volunteering to be guinea pigs.  But I digress.

I liked the show because it kept me interested and now I want to know more.  It will be very interesting to see what they do with the show from week to week.

Title: Re: New Joss Whedon TV Series - Dollhouse
Post by: Rico on February 14, 2009, 05:29:00 AM
Quote from: Just X on February 13, 2009, 09:04:10 PM
Quote from: Rico on February 13, 2009, 07:49:01 PM
I liked it too.  Eliza I thought was very good - very convincing.  I thought it was a good intro to the series.  I have just one tiny, tiny little thing bugging me.  The big WHY of it all.  WHY do what they do?  It's seems rather than program someone to be what you want, why not just get someone with those skills?  I guess I could come up with a reason, but I'd like to hear more about the WHY of doing what they do.  It's not a huge thing for me, just hope they explore that a bit.
I think it's more cost effective to make what you need instead of keeping an infinite number of people on retainer for a certain role.

Really??  Why not just hire who you need when you need them?  The big reason I can see is the jobs they do might be something the clients don't want them to remember later.  But of course, the company that runs the Dollhouse knows all about it.  I'm sure we will learn more as time goes on.
Title: Re: New Joss Whedon TV Series - Dollhouse
Post by: KC on February 14, 2009, 06:21:15 AM
Quote from: Rico on February 14, 2009, 05:29:00 AM
Quote from: Just X on February 13, 2009, 09:04:10 PM
Quote from: Rico on February 13, 2009, 07:49:01 PM
I liked it too.  Eliza I thought was very good - very convincing.  I thought it was a good intro to the series.  I have just one tiny, tiny little thing bugging me.  The big WHY of it all.  WHY do what they do?  It's seems rather than program someone to be what you want, why not just get someone with those skills?  I guess I could come up with a reason, but I'd like to hear more about the WHY of doing what they do.  It's not a huge thing for me, just hope they explore that a bit.
I think it's more cost effective to make what you need instead of keeping an infinite number of people on retainer for a certain role.

Really??  Why not just hire who you need when you need them?  The big reason I can see is the jobs they do might be something the clients don't want them to remember later.  But of course, the company that runs the Dollhouse knows all about it.  I'm sure we will learn more as time goes on.

My guess is since it's an illegal operation, maybe some of their clients have some shady dealings and don't necessarily want the authorities involved. Or it would be too risky to have the police involved in cases such as last night's episode. I honestly don't know, but that's the best guess I have, especially since the "assassin" plot line has been brought up time and time again in interviews with Whedon and Dushku.
Title: Re: New Joss Whedon TV Series - Dollhouse
Post by: X on February 14, 2009, 07:58:56 AM
I think that Helo said it best, when you think you have everything, you want something else. From what they seem to be capable if, they are creating the perfect person for your specific needs. While you could get any lawyer or negotiator, having the perfect one made to fit the specifics of your needs would be a good investment in my opinion.

I would rather have the perfect [insert] than someone that has a good deal of [insert] skill.

maybe you are lonely and need the idea companion for an evening. Someone that can challenge you mentally, but you don't have the time to pour though the dating scene or screen people looking to get your cash?
Title: Re: New Joss Whedon TV Series - Dollhouse
Post by: ElfManDan on February 14, 2009, 09:38:38 AM
I enjoyed the pilot, but more then that I'm excited to see where Joss takes the show. It's a very interesting concept and I know I'll keep on watching.
Title: Re: New Joss Whedon TV Series - Dollhouse
Post by: Dangelus on February 15, 2009, 11:02:07 AM
Watch it last night.

I'm liking it so far. Eliza does a splendid job.

I am interested in finding out more about how they get / store these personalities too. There is a wealth of storytelling that can come from the concept.
Title: Re: New Joss Whedon TV Series - Dollhouse
Post by: billybob476 on February 16, 2009, 06:27:00 PM
I enjoyed the show. Honestly I really feel bad when Echo gets wiped, gets up and looks at the camera with that blank expression. I have a feeling that a big plot point in this show will be flashbacks and the techie guy feeling bad after awhile, he seems to have a thing for the pretty girls.
Title: Re: New Joss Whedon TV Series - Dollhouse
Post by: wraith1701 on February 17, 2009, 04:01:47 PM
Quote from: billybob476 on February 16, 2009, 06:27:00 PM
... I have a feeling that a big plot point in this show will be flashbacks and the techie guy feeling bad after awhile, he seems to have a thing for the pretty girls.

I think you're right.  I also wonder if there is a connection between Helo (I can't remember his real name) and Echo.  Is she the reason he's obsessing over the Dollhouse case?
Title: Re: New Joss Whedon TV Series - Dollhouse
Post by: KC on February 21, 2009, 08:57:24 AM
Just watched last night's episode of Dollhouse. WOW! That's all I can say. It was pretty awesome. ;D
Title: Re: New Joss Whedon TV Series - Dollhouse
Post by: X on February 21, 2009, 06:24:25 PM
Saw the new episode and loved  it. No complaints.
Title: Re: New Joss Whedon TV Series - Dollhouse
Post by: wraith1701 on February 21, 2009, 06:49:42 PM
Joss Whedon has still got it. :)  Great writing, cool characters, and the overall story has a lot of potential.  I think this show might be able to break the Fox curse!

Title: Re: New Joss Whedon TV Series - Dollhouse
Post by: Rico on February 21, 2009, 07:32:05 PM
The second episode was pretty good, but my only trouble is that kind of story has been done before.  Joss put a nice spin on it and we learned some new things.  I'm enjoying the series but I'm not quite blown away yet.
Title: Re: New Joss Whedon TV Series - Dollhouse
Post by: ElfManDan on February 21, 2009, 09:42:24 PM
Episode 2, I thought it was great. Wouldn't say these first two episodes were perfect, but I'm enjoying them and I'm quite sure that the show will only get better. After everything we learned in the episode I'm very interested to see where Joss takes the show.
Title: Re: New Joss Whedon TV Series - Dollhouse
Post by: Geekyfanboy on February 22, 2009, 11:13:01 AM
Finally watched the first two episodes of Dollhouse. I like it, I think it has alot of potential and I look forward to seeing where it goes..at least I hope we get the opportunity to see where it goes.
Title: Re: New Joss Whedon TV Series - Dollhouse
Post by: billybob476 on February 22, 2009, 11:21:17 AM
How did everyone feel about Romo/Badger? Seems like this show is a bit of a BSG reunion. Liking it so far. Its not completely blowing me away, but I'm enjoying it.
Title: Re: New Joss Whedon TV Series - Dollhouse
Post by: Meds on February 22, 2009, 02:44:19 PM
Does anyone know if this will be airing in the UK? I'm hoping that it will be on either digital or standard TV, if its on sky (our pay channels) then I won't be able to see it.
Title: Re: New Joss Whedon TV Series - Dollhouse
Post by: X on February 22, 2009, 04:24:40 PM
Quote from: HawkeyeMeds on February 22, 2009, 02:44:19 PM
Does anyone know if this will be airing in the UK? I'm hoping that it will be on either digital or standard TV, if its on sky (our pay channels) then I won't be able to see it.
Didn't you read the notice that Joss banned you from watching because you took so long to watch Firefly?
Title: Re: New Joss Whedon TV Series - Dollhouse
Post by: Dangelus on February 24, 2009, 12:24:45 AM
Still enjoying the show.

I was a little surprised that [spoiler]they have gone straight into a story arc that involves an 'active' that has managed to retain skills etc. I thought they may have done a few more single stories to explore the process first. It was still a good episode though.[/spoiler]
Title: Re: New Joss Whedon TV Series - Dollhouse
Post by: Four Lights on February 26, 2009, 12:01:47 AM
hey I made a wide screen desktop back ground with our favorite programmable chick, Echo.



Title: Re: New Joss Whedon TV Series - Dollhouse
Post by: Rico on February 26, 2009, 05:14:46 AM
Very nice!  My new wallpaper!
Title: Re: New Joss Whedon TV Series - Dollhouse
Post by: billybob476 on February 27, 2009, 09:44:11 AM
So don't get me wrong, I like the show, but I think there IS a bit of this going on:

(http://www.penny-arcade.com/images/2009/20090227.jpg)
Title: Re: New Joss Whedon TV Series - Dollhouse
Post by: moyer777 on February 27, 2009, 09:46:42 AM
It hasn't been on long enough for me to make a determination on it.  So far, it is interesting to me.  We will see!
Title: Re: New Joss Whedon TV Series - Dollhouse
Post by: Rico on February 27, 2009, 10:25:16 AM
One thing about this show that I think might hurt it is the main character in a way changes every week.  That makes it harder for you to identify and care about them.  We know very little about Echo so far.  I was thinking about others shows from Joss and they all had a strong ensemble of actors/characters too.  So far that seems to be somewhat missing here.  I wonder if we will learn more soon about the other "actives."  Anyway, I do hope it gets a chance to continue and find it's legs.
Title: Re: New Joss Whedon TV Series - Dollhouse
Post by: billybob476 on February 27, 2009, 10:26:57 AM
I think we're going to keep learning more and more about Echo's life before she became an active. That and it seems like there's someone out there who knows all about her.
Title: Re: New Joss Whedon TV Series - Dollhouse
Post by: KC on February 27, 2009, 07:03:25 PM
Just finished tonight's episode "Stage Fright." It began a little weak, but it had a few good twists here and there and I enjoyed it overall.

[spoiler]Dude, the Russian guy is an active! How did I not expect that to happen? :P[/spoiler]
Title: Re: New Joss Whedon TV Series - Dollhouse
Post by: Rico on February 27, 2009, 07:19:27 PM
It's getting better each week and more interesting.  But what was this about....

[spoiler]What was with Echo shaking her head at the other active girl (Sierra?) near the end?  Are they all kind of remembering things?[/spoiler]
Title: Re: New Joss Whedon TV Series - Dollhouse
Post by: Geekyfanboy on February 27, 2009, 07:19:46 PM
Quote from: KC on February 27, 2009, 07:03:25 PM
Just finished tonight's episode "Stage Fright." It began a little weak, but it had a few good twists here and there and I enjoyed it overall.

[spoiler]Dude, the Russian guy is an active! How did I not expect that to happen? :P[/spoiler]

[spoiler]I knew that from the promo photos, I was surprised when I saw him in the first few episodes[/spoiler]
Title: Re: New Joss Whedon TV Series - Dollhouse
Post by: KC on February 27, 2009, 08:25:23 PM
[spoiler]I was silly and checked Wikipedia where it said he was "formerly" cast as Victor in the Echo pilot. I probably should have just relied on my spoilers from Whedonesque. Of course, that would make the show less fun.[/spoiler]
Title: Re: New Joss Whedon TV Series - Dollhouse
Post by: ElfManDan on March 01, 2009, 03:24:47 PM
Quote from: Rico on February 27, 2009, 07:19:27 PM
It's getting better each week and more interesting.  But what was this about....

[spoiler]What was with Echo shaking her head at the other active girl (Sierra?) near the end?  Are they all kind of remembering things?[/spoiler]

I was really interest by that as well,
[spoiler]It's almost like they both are more aware of what's really going on after they get wiped. And kinda like they're planning something.[/spoiler]
Title: Re: New Joss Whedon TV Series - Dollhouse
Post by: Dangelus on March 01, 2009, 08:58:44 PM
Quote from: Sheppard on March 01, 2009, 03:24:47 PM
Quote from: Rico on February 27, 2009, 07:19:27 PM
It's getting better each week and more interesting.  But what was this about....

[spoiler]What was with Echo shaking her head at the other active girl (Sierra?) near the end?  Are they all kind of remembering things?[/spoiler]

I was really interest by that as well,
[spoiler]It's almost like they both are more aware of what's really going on after they get wiped. And kinda like they're planning something.[/spoiler]

[spoiler]It was amazing how one little scene, the shaking of the head at the end added so much to the story. I agree that it has to mean they are remembering something on some kind of level.[/spoiler]

I am enjoying this show very much, I think each episode is getting stronger.
Title: Re: New Joss Whedon TV Series - Dollhouse
Post by: Rico on March 21, 2009, 07:23:30 PM
What are people thinking about "Dollhouse" currently.  I just watched last night's episode, so I'm caught up.  Some interesting twists and things coming out.  I'm still kind of mixed on this series.  The characters are just not grabbing me as much as other Joss shows.  The storyline is interesting, but I worry about it over the long haul.
Title: Re: New Joss Whedon TV Series - Dollhouse
Post by: Geekyfanboy on March 21, 2009, 07:27:08 PM
Yeah I feel the same Rico.. but this last episode definitely took the series to another level.. it's leading up to something big.
Title: Re: New Joss Whedon TV Series - Dollhouse
Post by: moyer777 on March 21, 2009, 08:08:30 PM
I am wondering what will come of it.  So far, it's good, but kind of quirky.  I like the idea, but am wondering if it is going to get going better.  I haven't watched this week's episode, so I better do that!
Title: Re: New Joss Whedon TV Series - Dollhouse
Post by: Rico on March 22, 2009, 05:27:13 AM
I think one of my big issues is what they are doing (the people running the Dollhouses) is basically wrong.  I can see no justification for it - even if the 'dolls' do "volunteer."  So, that leaves you with a fundamental problem for the show - at least in my opinion.  They seem to be above the law and will kill fairly easily when it's needed.  Of course, there is the hope they will get found out, but wouldn't that end the series?  Anyway, I'll keep watching but again I'm worried about the future of the series.
Title: Re: New Joss Whedon TV Series - Dollhouse
Post by: billybob476 on March 22, 2009, 05:33:01 AM
I have a feeling Helo (sorry can't remember his name in the show) will find the Dollhouse sooner rather then later. That will likely change things. Also they keep talking about Alpha and I have the feeling he's the guy feeding Helo information.

Honestly I don't think this is the greatest show to ever be on TV but I do enjoy each episode for what it is. The one thing that really gets me is it definitely seems to be missing Joss Whedon's signature witty dialogue. I wish we could see a bit more of that.
Title: Re: New Joss Whedon TV Series - Dollhouse
Post by: Rico on March 22, 2009, 05:38:05 AM
The only one that seems very "Joss-like" is Topher - the genius who programs the Dolls.  He has some good lines at times.  Reminds me of the geek speak a bit from Buffy.  I don't think it's Alpha helping Detective Ballard.  In the latest show they said they had someone inside the Dollhouse.  That's how the message got to Echo.  Maybe it's one of the other Dolls?  But I think it might be Dr. Saunders (the Amy Acker character).
Title: Re: New Joss Whedon TV Series - Dollhouse
Post by: X on March 22, 2009, 08:09:19 AM
I think that they are going to reveal that the Dollhouse is part Manchurian Candidate and part Super Soldier Project. They use the Dolls to get extra money and are putting their dolls into positions of power to control everything. Cities, States, and nations are all falling to them and the things that the dolls do are just to add to the coffers of the company.
Title: Re: New Joss Whedon TV Series - Dollhouse
Post by: Geekyfanboy on March 22, 2009, 08:25:32 AM
Quote from: Rico on March 22, 2009, 05:38:05 AM
The only one that seems very "Joss-like" is Topher - the genius who programs the Dolls.  He has some good lines at times.  Reminds me of the geek speak a bit from Buffy.  I don't think it's Alpha helping Detective Ballard.  In the latest show they said they had someone inside the Dollhouse.  That's how the message got to Echo.  Maybe it's one of the other Dolls?  But I think it might be Dr. Saunders (the Amy Acker character).

If you recall in one of the early episodes it showed a naked man sitting on the table watching the video of Carolyn (Echo), and putting that picture in an envelope and sending to the detective. So I agree with Billybob I think Alpha is helping the detective. But in the latest episode we find out someone on the inside is also helping and I agree with Rico I think it's the Doctor but then again that might be too obvious. Maybe it's Topher's assistant.. guess will have to wait and see.
Title: Re: New Joss Whedon TV Series - Dollhouse
Post by: Dangelus on March 23, 2009, 01:06:44 AM
Really enjoyed the latest episode and I agree with the comments here that the show will quickly move away from the 'situation of the week' formula, well it already has, and get into the conspiracy aspect which I find much more interesting.

One thing:

[spoiler]I never guessed the neighbor was a sleeper active! Loved that![/spoiler]
Title: Re: New Joss Whedon TV Series - Dollhouse
Post by: Geekyfanboy on March 23, 2009, 07:35:48 AM
Quote from: Dangelus on March 23, 2009, 01:06:44 AM
One thing:
[spoiler]I never guessed the neighbor was a sleeper active! Loved that![/spoiler]

[spoiler]I know.. I felt so bad as she was being attacked and of course Joss has to do it in slow motion with the haunting music.. I knew she was going to be raped and dead when the detective got back.. then the phone call and WHAM!!!! it was AWESOME[/spoiler]
Title: Re: New Joss Whedon TV Series - Dollhouse
Post by: ElfManDan on March 24, 2009, 11:26:19 AM
Quote from: StarTrekFanatic5 on March 23, 2009, 07:35:48 AM
Quote from: Dangelus on March 23, 2009, 01:06:44 AM
One thing:
[spoiler]I never guessed the neighbor was a sleeper active! Loved that![/spoiler]

[spoiler]I know.. I felt so bad as she was being attacked and of course Joss has to do it in slow motion with the haunting music.. I knew she was going to be raped and dead when the detective got back.. then the phone call and WHAM!!!! it was AWESOME[/spoiler]

I saw that coming, it didn't surprise me much, but I still enjoyed it. It's always nice when your suspicions come up true.

I really liked this episode and I'm loving this series so far.
Title: Re: New Joss Whedon TV Series - Dollhouse
Post by: KC on March 24, 2009, 12:50:37 PM
Oh, that episode totally took me by surprise. I loved every single minute of it. [spoiler]I thought the neighbor was going to die for sure, simply because I never know where Joss is going to go with his storylines. Then all of a sudden, one of my favorite characters on the show turns into a killer. And better yet, she killed Sierra's handler, who very much deserved to die.[/spoiler]

And Angela has said this a few times, but I'm gonna have to agree with the sentiment that Tahmoh Penikett go without his shirt more often. Le sigh...  :wub
Title: Re: New Joss Whedon TV Series - Dollhouse
Post by: Rico on March 28, 2009, 10:16:04 AM
Good episode last night.  Got some good background info.  And the stuff with Topher was great!  Next week's episode looks really cool.
Title: Re: New Joss Whedon TV Series - Dollhouse
Post by: Geekyfanboy on April 09, 2009, 12:37:36 PM
 Well it was annouced yesterday that the season finale of Dollhouse would be episode 12 instead of 13 which happens have have Felicia Day.. well she tweeted about it and a riot has begun on Twitter.. it's kind of funny. Hundreds maybe thousands of people are twitter fox and complaining about this.. I've been following it since Felicia tweeted her first tweet..

Tweeter is pretty amazing. You can check out the thread of people complaining

http://search.twitter.com/search?q=%40FoxBroadcasting (http://search.twitter.com/search?q=%40FoxBroadcasting)

Title: Re: New Joss Whedon TV Series - Dollhouse
Post by: Geekyfanboy on April 09, 2009, 12:47:13 PM
http://www.thrfeed.com/2009/04/fox-cutting-short-dollhouse.html (http://www.thrfeed.com/2009/04/fox-cutting-short-dollhouse.html)

Fox cuts short 'Dollhouse' (sort of)

Dollhouse_sc-32_0361 Fox has scheduled the season finale of Joss Whedon's Dollhouse, but some sharp-eyed fans have noticed that there's something missing: the show's 13th episode.

The Dollhouse season finale airs May 8, titled "Omega," and is the show's 12th aired episode. But there's a 13th episode called "Epitaph One," directed by Whedon (the week after the finale Fox will air the Prison Break series finale as two hours).

Whedon compatriot Felicia Day (Buffy the Vampire Slayer and Dr. Horrible's Sing-Along Blog), who had a role in the unscheduled episode, Twittered: "Man, day getting worse and worse. Found out my Dollhouse ep, #13 isn't gonna air. Only on DVD. Such a great part too. Thx Fox. :( ..."

And then later DrHorrible, the account from Whedon's Web show, Twittered, "It's true. Dollhouse ep 13 isn't going to air. This makes @feliciaday sad. How do you feel? Why don't share those feelings with FOX?"

Reps from the 20th Century Fox studio and from the network declined to comment, but there's a few differing perspectives out there.

One might argue that from Fox's point of view, the entire season order was fulfilled because Whedon reshot the pilot -- otherwise the network would have paid for 14 hours instead of 13. Sources also maintain the story in the "Omega" season finale is Whedon's original vision for how the season would end, so fans watching the show to the very end will not feel as if the storyline was cut short. Except, of course, that there is another episode, whose fate is unknown.

Despite Day's comment that "Epitaph One" will appear on the DVD, sources say nothing has been decided yet. Unaired episodes do tend to see daylight nowadays between DVD and online streaming, however, so the content will probably surface somewhere provided the studio decides to pay for postproduction.

All parties also insist the network has not cancelled Dollhouse, though obviously the network declining to air an episode isn't encouraging.
Title: Re: New Joss Whedon TV Series - Dollhouse
Post by: Rico on April 09, 2009, 02:02:50 PM
Well - again what can you say?  Poor Joss (and Felicia), but I really don't think we will be seeing a season two.  Nothing official and maybe Fox will surprise us, but I kind of doubt it.
Title: Re: New Joss Whedon TV Series - Dollhouse
Post by: Rico on April 11, 2009, 01:37:14 PM
I really liked last night's episode.  Some very good and interesting moments.  This show has gotten a lot more intriguing for me now.  Hope it gets to continue.
Title: Re: New Joss Whedon TV Series - Dollhouse
Post by: wraith1701 on April 11, 2009, 02:13:02 PM
Great episode indeed!  Echo has really grown on me (as has Eliza D.).  I missed the last 2 or 3 episodes, so this one really had some surprises. Enjoyed the fleshing out of the woman in charge of the Dollhouse (I can't remember her name). Still a pretty cold-blooded character, but it was neat to get a peak at her human side, no matter how pitiful it might be.

The biggest thing I took away from the episode was just how twisted and horrifying the Dollhouse premise is-- the scene with Helo and his neighbor was pretty freaky! 

A question to those in the know- is the season finale the series finale, or is that still up in the air?
Title: Re: New Joss Whedon TV Series - Dollhouse
Post by: Rico on April 11, 2009, 02:30:42 PM
No decision on if it will be back next year - yet.  Still some episodes to go.
Title: Re: New Joss Whedon TV Series - Dollhouse
Post by: Dangelus on April 12, 2009, 12:04:49 AM
Great episode, interesting *ahem* outfit as well....   :shocked
Title: Re: New Joss Whedon TV Series - Dollhouse
Post by: Rico on April 19, 2009, 06:25:36 AM
Here are some interesting comments from Joss.  Still four episodes to go and if they do well the show may return.

Joss Whedon, creator of Fox's sci-fi series Dollhouse, told reporters that there is still a chance that Fox will pick the show up for a second season, provided the remaining four episodes do well—especially with a new lead-in, Prison Break, which replaces Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles in the timeslot before, starting April 24.

"The question is, with a different lead-in, will anything change?" Whedon said in a group interview Wednesday in Hollywood before appearing on a Paley Festival panel about the show. "Will Prison Break be a worse match for us because it's such a different show? Or will it be better because more people watch it? Do more people watch it? I don't know what the numbers on Prison Break are. So there are a lot of X factors."

The following Q&A features edited excerpts of Whedon's comments. Dollhouse airs Fridays at 9 p.m. on Fox.

I have all-new questions for you today.

Whedon: Well, good, because I have an all-new personality. Well, I changed my shirt. I know how to bring it. I've learned from the celebrities.

Have you heard anything official from Fox about when you'd hear about cancellation? Or have they told you if you hit a certain ratings number, that would be more favorable to a second season?

Whedon: They haven't said anything about a number, and they haven't said anything about a date. What they have said is "We get it. We get that the numbers are soft, but it's not a Nielsen world. The DVR numbers are good, and the show's getting better, and the demographic is good, and we all have a crush on [star and producer] Eliza [Dushku]." So they're basically fans.

Obviously, there has to be a number we reach that is viable for them economically, or it would be senseless for them, unless they were insane fans like me. But they get it. They get the show, and they get what works. So they're anxious for it to stay at a level where they can justify throwing down some more. Hopefully that'll happen.

Rumor is that Terminator, your lead-in, is essentially canceled. Does that give you any pause?

Whedon: No. I mean, Terminator did very poorly. I don't know why. I love it. That's why I'm not on that side of the fence, because I'm not a marketer. I don't know how these things work. It started strong, and it fell off for some reason. I liked it as a lead-in because, artistically, they were just a nice match. They both had a similar sensibility, and I think Terminator was a really interesting show that really plumbed the depths of its premise really well. So I was happy to be with it. But the fact is it was doing poorly, and we were doing better, but not great. I think, ultimately, nobody blames us. We did build on Terminator and usually on our own half hours most nights. It's anyone's guess at this point.

Did you sense you needed to wrap up the story if the season finale ends up being the series finale?

Whedon: I always have that sense. The trick is to do something that has a sense of closure and only asks questions, which is what we did. It does have a total sense of closure and a ridiculous number of cliffhangers at the same time in its own way, in a way that's very hard to describe. It's not like anything else I've ever done.

If you get a second season, have you already thought of a story arc?

Whedon: Yeah. Not an absolute total arc, but there's a bunch of stuff that we're already chomping at the bit to get to. We feel like this story is just too rich, and we barely scratched the surface. Although, I'll tell you, for the next four episodes, we scratch it really, really hard. It's going to bleed.

What would it take for fans to rally for a season two?

Whedon: I don't think it's a "Save Dollhouse" campaign. Basically, we've got a few more times up at bat. It's going to be up to the fans to be vocal in their own community to make sure people are watching, that we get those DVR numbers, that they don't slip. If they want to cold-call executives, that's good too, I guess. Or Twitter. A lot of people are Twittering. Ultimately, it's just holding the course, because I honestly began to think that we were dead in the water, and the people at Fox made a point of calling me to say, "That's not the case. We're still working it out. We're fans. We want this to work."


source:
http://scifiwire.com/2009/04/joss-whedon-what-it-will.php (http://scifiwire.com/2009/04/joss-whedon-what-it-will.php)
Title: Re: New Joss Whedon TV Series - Dollhouse
Post by: Dangelus on April 19, 2009, 09:11:59 AM
I hope it gets a shot at a season two. I want to see where the story is going. It just started to get interesting very late into the season.
Title: Re: New Joss Whedon TV Series - Dollhouse
Post by: Rico on April 24, 2009, 03:42:48 PM
New episode tonight!

Dollhouse 1x10 - Haunted Promo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lxjEuNFce5E#lq-lq2-hq-vhq)
Title: Re: New Joss Whedon TV Series - Dollhouse
Post by: KC on May 02, 2009, 11:28:14 AM
Did anyone see last night's episode?

[spoiler]I know it had been leaked before, but... HOLY CRUD! WASH IS CRAZY ALPHA!

And better still, the Alpha and Echo kiss was just out of nowhere and perfect. Can't wait for next week.  :love[/spoiler]

Title: Re: New Joss Whedon TV Series - Dollhouse
Post by: billybob476 on May 03, 2009, 03:37:06 PM
This week's episode was AWESOME!

[spoiler]
I hadn't heard anything about Alpha or the fact it was Wash. At first I was like "Oh awesome, Wash is the crazy engineer guy!" Then it turns out he's Alpha? WOW. This episode makes me really want this show to have a season 2.

I also felt really bad when Ballard zapped Topher.
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Title: Re: New Joss Whedon TV Series - Dollhouse
Post by: Omra on May 03, 2009, 04:11:51 PM
I just hope the studio is taking into consideration all of the views it is recieving online.  I am assuming that many, like myself, watch alot of their TV shows online when it is convenient for them instead of during its live broadcast.  Have they learned nothing from Dr. Horrible? ::)
Title: Re: New Joss Whedon TV Series - Dollhouse
Post by: wraith1701 on May 03, 2009, 05:16:04 PM
Quote from: Omra on May 03, 2009, 04:11:51 PM
I just hope the studio is taking into consideration all of the views it is recieving online.  I am assuming that many, like myself, watch alot of their TV shows online when it is convenient for them instead of during its live broadcast.  Have they learned nothing from Dr. Horrible? ::)

I think you're right. I love the show, but don't always have time to watch it when it airs live. I'm hoping to catch the last two episodes before this Friday. 
Title: Re: New Joss Whedon TV Series - Dollhouse
Post by: Rico on May 03, 2009, 05:32:11 PM
This series has really been growing and amping things up.  I sure it gets another season.  The last episode was very cool.  Lots of shocks and surprises.  Sorry that only one more episode next week for this season.

P.S.  They do take into account time shifters these days.  I'm not sure the complex formula they use, but they do look at it.  They sure better for shows on Friday nights!
Title: Re: New Joss Whedon TV Series - Dollhouse
Post by: Omra on May 03, 2009, 06:20:09 PM
There must be some way for them to track torrent feeds, and downloads from ITunes for sure...  But I wonder about Tivo and people with DVR's, how do you track that?  If it wasn't for Hulu I would not be able to watch Dollhouse at all...

I don't want this to turn into another Firefly.
Title: Re: New Joss Whedon TV Series - Dollhouse
Post by: Rico on May 03, 2009, 06:55:05 PM
TIVO's are definitely counted - they have been for awhile.  At least the sampling they take.  Keep in mind all ratings are just based on figures from a small number of households.
Title: Re: New Joss Whedon TV Series - Dollhouse
Post by: Omra on May 03, 2009, 07:18:21 PM
Cool... thanx. :thumbsup
Title: Re: New Joss Whedon TV Series - Dollhouse
Post by: Feathers on May 04, 2009, 01:57:23 AM
Has anyone heard if this is hitting the UK (in a non Sky format) any time soon?
Title: Re: New Joss Whedon TV Series - Dollhouse
Post by: Rico on May 11, 2009, 06:21:43 PM
Great season finale - and I sure hope it isn't the end.  So much revealed and happened.  This show is just starting to get really, really good!  It deserves a season two!
Title: Re: New Joss Whedon TV Series - Dollhouse
Post by: billybob476 on May 12, 2009, 03:59:50 AM
I fully agree. Much worse shows have gotten a chance at a second season. This one really deserves one.
Title: Re: New Joss Whedon TV Series - Dollhouse
Post by: Geekyfanboy on May 13, 2009, 04:09:52 PM
"Dollhouse" DVDs To Include Two Unaired Episodes
May 13, 2009 by Michael Hickerson   || Category: On DVD, TV News

"Dollhouse" fans will get two unaired episodes when the series hits DVD and Blu Ray later this summer.

According to the Hollywood Reporter, the set will include the much-discussed fourteenth episode, "Epitath One" and the original unaired pilot. Both episodes will include a commentary by creator, Joss Whedon.

If you're curious, here's what you'll get when the set hits stores on July 28th.

Disc One
o Ghost
· Commentary by Joss Whedon and Eliza Dushku
o The Target
o Stage Fright
o Gray Hour
o True Believer

Disc Two
o Man on the Street
· Commentary by Joss Whedon
o Echoes
o Needs
o A Spy in the House...
o Haunted

Disc Three
o Briar Rose
o Omega
o Never-before-seen episode Epitaph One
· Commentary by writers Jed Whedon and Maurissa Tancharoen
o Original Unaired Pilot – Echo
o Deleted Scenes
o "Making Dollhouse" featurette
o "Coming Back Home" featurette
o "Finding Echo" featurette
o "Designing the Perfect Dollhouse" featurette
o "A Private Engagement" featurette
Title: Re: New Joss Whedon TV Series - Dollhouse
Post by: Rico on May 13, 2009, 04:31:02 PM
I'll buy it if we get another season!  ;)
Title: Re: New Joss Whedon TV Series - Dollhouse
Post by: Dan M on May 16, 2009, 04:38:44 AM
EW's Ausiello is reporting that Dollhouse has been renewed for a 13-episode second season.

Yay!

http://twitter.com/EWAusielloFiles (http://twitter.com/EWAusielloFiles)
Title: Re: New Joss Whedon TV Series - Dollhouse
Post by: Rico on May 16, 2009, 05:22:58 AM
Awesome news!  And "Better off Ted" is renewed too!  WOOT!!!
Title: Re: New Joss Whedon TV Series - Dollhouse
Post by: Feathers on May 16, 2009, 08:20:08 AM
Bah! Still no sign of it over here.
Title: Re: New Joss Whedon TV Series - Dollhouse
Post by: Dangelus on May 16, 2009, 11:47:26 AM
Quote from: Feathers on May 16, 2009, 08:20:08 AM
Bah! Still no sign of it over here.

It's been in the press today ( The Independent or Telegraph I think...) so this might mean it's coming to the UK soon. Didn't read the article but it's likely to go to Sky...
Title: Re: New Joss Whedon TV Series - Dollhouse
Post by: Feathers on August 11, 2009, 02:19:41 PM
I finally caught up with this series, watching most of it over the last couple of days. I missed the first few (Sky+ arrived after they aired) but I think I got the better half of the series.

I've just finished the episode that aired as season finale in the US and it definately needs another series. I was a little dubious after the first couple but once the series got inside the Dollhouse proper and started unravelling the Alpha story etc, it became quite compelling.

The really good news is that we still have another episode to run (next Sunday). I presume it will be the unaired 13th episode from the DVD set.
Title: Re: New Joss Whedon TV Series - Dollhouse
Post by: billybob476 on August 13, 2009, 11:58:40 AM
I downloaded and watched Epitaph One (the 'lost' 13th episode) featuring Felicia Day. HOLY CRAP. It was completely awesome. It is way out of the box and frankly was very Firefly-esque. I loved it.

If anyone isn't planning on buying the DVD set of season 1, this episode is available on iTunes.

If you like Dollhouse at all I strongly recommend you see this ep. It's Joss at his best.

Felicia does an awesome job, you really get to see the calibre of actor she is.
Title: Re: New Joss Whedon TV Series - Dollhouse
Post by: Rico on August 13, 2009, 12:20:14 PM
I have this to watch still, just haven't had chance to sit down and do that yet.  Soon!
Title: Re: New Joss Whedon TV Series - Dollhouse
Post by: ElfManDan on August 13, 2009, 12:52:06 PM
Quote from: billybob476 on August 13, 2009, 11:58:40 AM
I downloaded and watched Epitaph One (the 'lost' 13th episode) featuring Felicia Day. HOLY CRAP. It was completely awesome. It is way out of the box and frankly was very Firefly-esque. I loved it.

If anyone isn't planning on buying the DVD set of season 1, this episode is available on iTunes.

If you like Dollhouse at all I strongly recommend you see this ep. It's Joss at his best.

Felicia does an awesome job, you really get to see the calibre of actor she is.

I got to see it a few days back. I agree completely, I thought it was absolutely awesomeness. It's almost worth buying the whole season just for the one episode. Definitely a DVD set I'm going to add to my collection.
Title: Re: New Joss Whedon TV Series - Dollhouse
Post by: Feathers on August 13, 2009, 01:18:38 PM
It's airing this week over here. The DVRs set to catch it on Sundays showing.
Title: Re: New Joss Whedon TV Series - Dollhouse
Post by: Rico on August 13, 2009, 04:28:32 PM
Well, just watched this finally.  Joe - I agree - HOLY CRAP!  This is the episode they pick not to show on the air?  This just continues to prove how silly network people are.  This episode is incredible!  Felicia was superb!  For comic people out there it's like the classic 'Days of Future Past' from the X-Men (in a way).  Completely pure Joss awesomeness!  What it makes me wonder is will it ever air here and if it doesn't is Joss still going to follow what he put forth in this episode?  Gotta get the whole DVD set now too and watch them all again!
Title: Re: New Joss Whedon TV Series - Dollhouse
Post by: X on August 13, 2009, 05:13:25 PM
Quote from: Rico on August 13, 2009, 04:28:32 PM
Well, just watched this finally.  Joe - I agree - HOLY CRAP!  This is the episode they pick not to show on the air?  This just continues to prove how silly network people are.  This episode is incredible!  Felicia was superb!  For comic people out there it's like the classic 'Days of Future Past' from the X-Men (in a way).  Completely pure Joss awesomeness!  What it makes me wonder is will it ever air here and if it doesn't is Joss still going to follow what he put forth in this episode?  Gotta get the whole DVD set now too and watch them all again!
Rico, I don't think that it was ever meant to air here, but made to fulfill the DVD requirements for the overseas contract.
Title: Re: New Joss Whedon TV Series - Dollhouse
Post by: Geekyfanboy on August 13, 2009, 05:25:19 PM
The 13 episode was purchased by Fox but not by Fox TV... so they were not obligated to air it.

Also Rico Felicia said she would be coming back in Season Two.. I just downloaded the episode from Itunes.. haven't watched it yet.. but with everyone's comments it's getting me really excited to see it.
Title: Re: New Joss Whedon TV Series - Dollhouse
Post by: Rico on August 13, 2009, 07:09:18 PM
Quote from: StarTrekFanatic5 on August 13, 2009, 05:25:19 PM
The 13 episode was purchased by Fox but not by Fox TV... so they were not obligated to air it.

Which again just confirms what I said above.  They should still have aired it.  And it really sets the stage I think for a lot to come on the series.
Title: Re: New Joss Whedon TV Series - Dollhouse
Post by: Dangelus on August 13, 2009, 11:39:23 PM
Quote from: Feathers on August 13, 2009, 01:18:38 PM
It's airing this week over here. The DVRs set to catch it on Sundays showing.

Better set mine!
Title: Re: New Joss Whedon TV Series - Dollhouse
Post by: Meds on August 15, 2009, 02:41:15 PM
I'm just going to buy the DVD on reading your praise's. Dont have sky anymore so cant watch it.
Title: Re: New Joss Whedon TV Series - Dollhouse
Post by: Rico on August 24, 2009, 07:16:00 AM
Nice cast shot for season two.

Title: Re: New Joss Whedon TV Series - Dollhouse
Post by: Omra on August 24, 2009, 07:29:14 AM
Where's Summer?????

She is supposed to be in the next season....  :confused

Now I am worried.  Maybe it is an old photo and they are not wanting to tip their hand, to the general public about what is coming up.
Title: Re: New Joss Whedon TV Series - Dollhouse
Post by: Rico on August 24, 2009, 07:39:35 AM
Quote from: Omra on August 24, 2009, 07:29:14 AM
Where's Summer?????

She is supposed to be in the next season....  :confused

Now I am worried.  Maybe it is an old photo and they are not wanting to tip their hand, to the general public about what is coming up.

She isn't going to be a regular cast member - from what I have heard. 
Title: Re: New Joss Whedon TV Series - Dollhouse
Post by: billybob476 on August 24, 2009, 07:42:05 AM
It's hot in here, it must be Summer!
Title: Re: New Joss Whedon TV Series - Dollhouse
Post by: Feathers on August 24, 2009, 12:38:48 PM
Watched episode 13 yesterday. Completely different but very good - but then I love the 'what happens if it all goes wrong' type of thing. Felicia Day with a gun is worth watching in any case.

I'm still a but confused by some of it but I'll get there :)

(the confusuion isn't helped by the fact that Sci-Fi are now repeating the series in CatchUp mode so I'm going back and watching the first four that I missed)
Title: Re: New Joss Whedon TV Series - Dollhouse
Post by: ElfManDan on August 26, 2009, 06:32:54 PM
I couldn't help but notice that two of the members of the Dollhouse cast mentioned on their twitter that they were working with Jonathan Frakes. I'm only assuming, but I'd wager a guess that Frakes is likely directing or possibly acting (maybe both) next season. Anyone know anything more then I do about this?
Title: Re: New Joss Whedon TV Series - Dollhouse
Post by: Geekyfanboy on August 26, 2009, 06:39:08 PM
He's directing an episode of Dollhouse Season Two
Title: Re: New Joss Whedon TV Series - Dollhouse
Post by: ElfManDan on August 26, 2009, 07:09:19 PM
Awesome. Thanks Kenny.