Saw Tweets earlier today.. but here is a snippet from The Digital Bits website http://thedigitalbits.com/#mytwocents (http://thedigitalbits.com/#mytwocents)
This is a rare Saturday post with some important breaking news: Lucasfilm's Steve Sansweet has reportedly confirmed, during a panel today at the C2E2 comic convention in Chicago, that the company is now working on a Blu-ray Disc box set of all six Star Wars films loaded with extras, for release "in the not too distant future." We're awaiting any kind of official statement from Lucasfilm - one MAY appear on Star Wars.com in the coming days. Nonetheless, MANY people who were in the panel began Tweeting reports of the news almost the moment the words left Sansweet's mouth. IGN has also reported the news with an actual quote from Sansweet: "We have been at work for a couple of years working on - I won't call it the Ultimate Set because we keep finding stuff - but, a very full set of all six movies on Blu-ray with lots of extra material. We're finding all kinds of scenes from dailies that have never been seen before. Beyond all of those things that you know about... there are some real treasures." There is no other official information at this time, but we'll post additional details when and if they come in. HOWEVER...
Consider this Rumor Mill-worthy, but our own industry sources have actually been checking in with us in recent weeks on this very subject. Our latest information is that Lucasfilm tentatively plans the official Blu-ray release to happen in October 2011. Now, we've been hearing reports like this on and off for years, and until now little has come of it. So we've been waiting to say something here on The Bits until we had a hint of more official confirmation. But now that Sansweet has begun talking about the release, we feel more comfortable reporting on the word from our sources. Plans could obviously change and again, even though Sansweet has hinted that it's coming, none of this constitutes an official announcement. But if current plans remain unchanged, our sources say you'll be enjoying The Force in 1080p next October.
Again, we'll post additional updates as they come in. Stay tuned...
Awesome! Steve has hinted at this before, but this sounds more solid - finally.
Incredible news!!! This is the release that will finally get me to buy a blu ray player!
Yeah this would be the first box set of Blu Rays I would purchase. Now just waiting for the uproar over the different versions of the films etc etc. I'd imagine with the disc space available on those Blu Rays they could very easily fit the special edition, directors cut, and the theatrical release all on one disc. Chances that this happens? Unlikely. I'll buy em tho.
On a related note, I saw a Blu-Ray player in Walmart over the weekend for $79!
Great! And this set we will finally see the scene as it was originally intended:
that it was actually Jar Jar Binks hiding under the table that shoots Greedo! ;)
"Meeessssaaaa no gonna shoot first, Hannyy!"
This is interesting news. However I'm wondering what the price on a premium 6 blu ray set will be!
Quote from: billybob476 on April 19, 2010, 07:05:53 AM
This is interesting news. However I'm wondering what the price on a premium 6 blu ray set will be!
I'm guessing there will be at least a couple set versions, but the base Blu-Ray set I think with discounts at places could still hit maybe $50-60. Prices are dropping quite a bit on these lately.
Quote from: Rico on April 19, 2010, 08:53:58 AM
I'm guessing there will be at least a couple set versions, but the base Blu-Ray set I think with discounts at places could still hit maybe $50-60. Prices are dropping quite a bit on these lately.
I'd be floored if it was that low. My guess would be closer to $100 retail, if not more.
Quote from: Jobydrone4of20 on April 19, 2010, 10:25:40 AM
Quote from: Rico on April 19, 2010, 08:53:58 AM
I'm guessing there will be at least a couple set versions, but the base Blu-Ray set I think with discounts at places could still hit maybe $50-60. Prices are dropping quite a bit on these lately.
I'd be floored if it was that low. My guess would be closer to $100 retail, if not more.
I'm projecting both pricing at the end of the year plus the inevitable, deluxe Blu-Ray set with store exclusives. If the base set is $100, how much will the deluxe set be with little book and tiny Jarr-Jarr figure? ;)
Quote from: Rico on April 19, 2010, 11:33:23 AM
Quote from: Jobydrone4of20 on April 19, 2010, 10:25:40 AM
Quote from: Rico on April 19, 2010, 08:53:58 AM
I'm guessing there will be at least a couple set versions, but the base Blu-Ray set I think with discounts at places could still hit maybe $50-60. Prices are dropping quite a bit on these lately.
I'd be floored if it was that low. My guess would be closer to $100 retail, if not more.
I'm projecting both pricing at the end of the year plus the inevitable, deluxe Blu-Ray set with store exclusives. If the base set is $100, how much will the deluxe set be with little book and tiny Jarr-Jarr figure? ;)
250, and people will pay it. ;)
They should make a Stretch Armstrong style Jar-Jar so people can torture that dude.
Well, Uncle George's bank account must have dipped to below 9 figures. ;)
Star Wars: The Complete Saga Coming to Blu-ray in September
Source: Lucasfilm
January 6, 2011
Lucasfilm has announced that "Star Wars: The Complete Saga" will be available on Blu-ray this September. You can already pre-order the three different sets it will be available in using the links below! You can also watch a trailer for the release here.
The most anticipated Blu-ray release ever -- the Star Wars Saga -- emerges from light speed this September 2011. For the first time, all six of George Lucas' epic films (Episodes I-VI) are united in one complete set. Fans worldwide are able to pre-order now with online retailers.
Twentieth Century Fox Home Entertainment will release Star Wars in three distinct sets to meet the needs of every Star Wars fan:
* Star Wars: The Complete Saga on Blu-ray (9-disc Set includes all six films)
* Star Wars: Prequel Blu-ray Trilogy (3-disc set includes Episodes I-III)
* Star Wars: Original Blu-ray Trilogy (3-disc set includes Episodes IV-VI)
Star Wars: The Complete Saga on Blu-ray will feature all six live-action Star Wars feature films utilizing the highest possible picture and audio presentation, along with three additional discs and more than 30 hours of extensive special features including never-before-seen deleted and alternate scenes, an exploration of the exclusive Star Wars archives, and much more.
Star Wars: The Complete Saga on Blu-ray will be available for $139.99 US/$179.99 CAN and the Star Wars: Trilogy Sets for $69.99 US/89.99 CAN. Pricing for each set will vary by international territory.
Flanked by a legion of his finest Imperial stormtroopers, Darth Vader himself joined Twentieth Century Fox Home Entertainment President Mike Dunn at the Consumer Electronics Show (CES) to announce the release, vowing "The forces of the Empire will be at your disposal to assure the success of this endeavor."
"The Star Wars Saga is the most anticipated Blu-ray collection since the launch of the high-def format," Dunn said. "The epic franchise pioneered sound and visual presentation in theaters and is perfectly suited to do it again in the home, with a viewing experience only possible with Blu-ray."
"With all six episodes available for the first time in one collection, this is a great way for families and home audiences to experience the complete Saga from start to finish," said Doug Yates, Vice President of Marketing, Online, Distribution, Lucasfilm Ltd. "And with the quality of high-definition, Blu-ray provides the most immersive home experience possible."
"The Star Wars franchise has been the most anticipated Blu-ray release by Amazon's customers," said Bill Carr, Vice President of Music and Video at Amazon.com. "We think that Star Wars will be incredibly popular with our customers, and we expect pre-orders to be very strong."
Read more: Star Wars: The Complete Saga Coming to Blu-ray in September - ComingSoon.net http://www.comingsoon.net/news/movienews.php?id=73057#ixzz1AHu45bCd (http://www.comingsoon.net/news/movienews.php?id=73057#ixzz1AHu45bCd)
Well, that's $140 well spent, I say!
You can pre-order the complete box set on Amazon right now for $89.99.. think I might get my pre-order in now...
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B003ZSJ212/comingsoon (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B003ZSJ212/comingsoon)
Yay just pre-ordered it... :)
now that's being on the ball! I wasn't excited about this at all before but now I think I may pick it up.
Not a bad price really for six movies on Blu-Ray.
What I like is if you are not a fan of the Prequels you can buy each set of three separately. I can't imagine not wanting them all.. but that's just me.
Well if you're gonna get them, you may as well get them all.
I think maybe I'll get this set instead.
http://www.amazon.com/Star-Wars-Trilogy-Special-VHS/dp/6304539282 (http://www.amazon.com/Star-Wars-Trilogy-Special-VHS/dp/6304539282)
Quote from: billybob476 on January 06, 2011, 12:27:39 PM
I think maybe I'll get this set instead.
http://www.amazon.com/Star-Wars-Trilogy-Special-VHS/dp/6304539282 (http://www.amazon.com/Star-Wars-Trilogy-Special-VHS/dp/6304539282)
Nice..that's packed away somewhere in my garage.
My dad has them on beta, he dubbed them from the video store!
OMG.. just read there is more than 30 hours of bonus material.. how cool is that..
Now if this doesn't make you want to have these I don't know what will..
Star Wars Blu-ray Promo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DydnudgPPiU#ws)
I know I'm nuts but I just pre ordered the whole set and told Amy it's my birthday present. :)
Quote from: moyer777 on January 06, 2011, 10:34:48 PM
I know I'm nuts but I just pre ordered the whole set and told Amy it's my birthday present. :)
That's awesome Rick.. it's a must have for every geek :)
Star Wars on Blu-ray has an actual release date, September 27th, 2011 Can't wait!!
I was so excited to get my email about this! YAY!
I think I'm going to hold off on this a while. I'm hoping that Lucas will come up with a final version of his intended vision before I invest more money into it. Given the potential 3D movies in the pipes, I think a holding pattern works best for me.
I also can't see myself paying for Phantom Menace ever again in this life and hopefully not the next. I still haven't got the full entertainment value for the cash I invested in that movie.
You know, I really like Phantom Menace more than AOTC, to be honest..
Quote from: Bryancd on January 20, 2011, 07:23:08 PM
You know, I really like Phantom Menace more than AOTC, to be honest..
I got to see an advance of Phantom Menace and fell asleep during the pod race. I tried again and paid only to find that my mind was trying to save me from the pod race.
Don't get me wrong, attack of the clone isn't great at all. I cringe at the HD area scenes. The green screen he used, while great in stills, seems fake when in motion. The Jedi were all stiff too.
Quote from: X on January 20, 2011, 08:03:48 PM
Quote from: Bryancd on January 20, 2011, 07:23:08 PM
You know, I really like Phantom Menace more than AOTC, to be honest..
I got to see an advance of Phantom Menace and fell asleep during the pod race. I tried again and paid only to find that my mind was trying to save me from the pod race.
Don't get me wrong, attack of the clone isn't great at all. I cringe at the HD area scenes. The green screen he used, while great in stills, seems fake when in motion. The Jedi were all stiff too.
I think you're all crazy.. I enjoyed all three prequels :)
I'd like to get them, but my bank account would slap me...
King
Yeah, I can see the issues with the arena scene in AOTC. It had an odd quality to the visual effects I wlays seem to notice. However, I think they will look spectacular in HD and I enjoy watching them.
I like the prequels, to a degree. Certainly not nearly as much as the OT, but they are still fun to watch and still feel like "Star Wars" to me. I'll definitely be buying this full set when it comes out.
Same here, Frankly I think Revenge of the Sith is my third favorite Star Wars movie overall.
Quote from: billybob476 on January 21, 2011, 05:58:36 AM
Same here, Frankly I think Revenge of the Sith is my third favorite Star Wars movie overall.
Defiantly stands up well against Return of the Jedi.
Just got an email with this image.. not a clue what it means...
Maybe it's the packaging for the blu-ray
That Blu-Ray symbol is pretty prominent. Has to have something to do with the Blu-Ray release.
I'm betting it's star wars coming out on blu-ray. It makes sense, right? Hmm, sounds interesting.
Sounds good - and perhaps a reason to use my BR player - which is gathering dust.
Quote from: Bromptonboy on April 30, 2011, 04:48:29 AM
Sounds good - and perhaps a reason to use my BR player - which is gathering dust.
mine too. :-[
Quote from: turtlesrock on April 29, 2011, 08:37:17 PM
I'm betting it's star wars coming out on blu-ray. It makes sense, right? Hmm, sounds interesting.
They already announced that Star Wars was coming out on Blu-Ray.. I'm thinking it's the package..or more details about the movies and extras.
...maybe it's the option to pre-order? Or is that already available with Amazon?
Quote from: ori-STUDFARM on April 30, 2011, 11:01:00 AM
...maybe it's the option to pre-order? Or is that already available with Amazon?
No you were able to pre-order the moment they announced it a few months back.. which I did :)
Yeah the release date was september 12th, Hmmmm
Got to be the first images of the cover then....or maybe some redone visual effects....or the 3D idea has been dropped and the cinematic screenings are going to be some sort of higher def original screen version released worldwide. Thats what i want the most...
They picked a good day for this announcement, May the 4th be with you :)
Quote from: jedijeff on May 01, 2011, 07:48:23 AM
They picked a good day for this announcement, May the 4th be with you :)
Hah! Good one!
Today is actually the darkside day named so because of The Vader's Fist....I'm talking about the 501st.... (Todays date being 05.01)
I'm leaning towards packaging and extra's.
Nope. You're all wrong. I know what this is about. Jar-Jar Binks is getting his very own Blu Ray release. George Lucas has decided to do another trilogy dedicated to Jar-Jar starting with his birth, ending with his influential role in the Jedi Counsel (as yet to be seen story). Lucas decided that since Jar-Jar is such a beloved character, and one of the most popular Star Wars characters ever, fans deserved to have this intimate look into his history.
"Jar-Jar the Jedi, an epic tale of...", OK, the creative juices have just dried up. :D
Sweating to the Oldies with Jar-Jar. Maybe Jar-Jar is joining the cast of Jersey Shore.
So what is it? I can't get anything to open here at work on that link..
It's the features list ... when the site is working.
Bring home the adventure and share Star Wars™ with your whole family – when STAR WARS: THE COMPLETE SAGA comes to Blu-ray Disc from Lucasfilm Ltd. and Twentieth Century Fox Home Entertainment! To be released beginning on September 12 internationally and on September 16 in North America, the nine-disc collection brings the wonder of the entire Saga direct to your living room, where you can revisit all of your favorite Star Wars moments – in gorgeous high definition and with pristine, 6.1 DTS Surround Sound. Dive deeper into the universe with an unprecedented 40+ hours of special features, highlighted by never-before-seen content sourced from the Lucasfilm archives.
Special Features:
STAR WARS: THE COMPLETE SAGA ON BLU-RAY is presented in widescreen with 6.1 DTS Surround Sound. Special features include:
DISC ONE – STAR WARS: EPISODE I THE PHANTOM MENACE
Audio Commentary with George Lucas, Rick McCallum, Ben Burtt, Rob Coleman, John Knoll, Dennis Muren and Scott Squires
Audio Commentary from Archival Interviews with Cast and Crew
DISC TWO – STAR WARS: EPISODE II ATTACK OF THE CLONES
Audio Commentary with George Lucas, Rick McCallum, Ben Burtt, Rob Coleman, Pablo Helman, John Knoll and Ben Snow
Audio Commentary from Archival Interviews with Cast and Crew
DISC THREE – STAR WARS: EPISODE III REVENGE OF THE SITH
Audio Commentary with George Lucas, Rick McCallum, Rob Coleman, John Knoll and Roger Guyett
Audio Commentary from Archival Interviews with Cast and Crew
DISC FOUR – STAR WARS: EPISODE IV A NEW HOPE
Audio Commentary with George Lucas, Carrie Fisher, Ben Burtt and Dennis Muren
Audio Commentary from Archival Interviews with Cast and Crew
DISC FIVE – STAR WARS: EPISODE V THE EMPIRE STRIKES BACK
Audio Commentary with George Lucas, Irvin Kershner, Carrie Fisher, Ben Burtt and Dennis Muren
Audio Commentary from Archival Interviews with Cast and Crew
DISC SIX – STAR WARS: EPISODE VI RETURN OF THE JEDI
Audio Commentary with George Lucas, Carrie Fisher, Ben Burtt and Dennis Muren
Audio Commentary from Archival Interviews with Cast and Crew
DISC SEVEN – NEW! STAR WARS ARCHIVES: EPISODES I-III
Including: deleted, extended and alternate scenes; prop, maquette and costume turnarounds; matte paintings and concept art; supplementary interviews with cast and crew; a flythrough of the Lucasfilm Archives and more
DISC EIGHT – NEW! STAR WARS ARCHIVES: EPISODES IV-VI
Including: deleted, extended and alternate scenes; prop, maquette and costume turnarounds; matte paintings and concept art; supplementary interviews with cast and crew; and more
DISC NINE – THE STAR WARS DOCUMENTARIES
NEW! Star Warriors (2007, Color, Apx. 84 Minutes) – Some Star Wars fans want to collect action figures...these fans want to be action figures! A tribute to the 501st Legion, a global organization of Star Wars costume enthusiasts, this insightful documentary shows how the super-fan club promotes interest in the films through charity and volunteer work at fundraisers and high-profile special events around the world.
NEW! A Conversation with the Masters: The Empire Strikes Back 30 Years Later (2010, Color, Apx. 25 Minutes) – George Lucas, Irvin Kershner, Lawrence Kasdan and John Williams look back on the making of The Empire Strikes Back in this in-depth retrospective from Lucasfilm created to help commemorate the 30th anniversary of the movie. The masters discuss and reminisce about one of the most beloved films of all time.
NEW! Star Wars Spoofs (2011, Color, Apx. 91 Minutes) – The farce is strong with this one! Enjoy a hilarious collection of Star Wars spoofs and parodies that have been created over the years, including outrageous clips from Family Guy, The Simpsons, How I Met Your Mother and more — and don't miss "Weird Al" Yankovic's one-of-a-kind music video tribute to The Phantom Menace!
The Making of Star Wars (1977, Color, Apx. 49 Minutes) – Learn the incredible behind-the-scenes story of how the original Star Wars movie was brought to the big screen in this fascinating documentary hosted by C-3PO and R2-D2. Includes interviews with George Lucas and appearances by Mark Hamill, Harrison Ford and Carrie Fisher.
The Empire Strikes Back: SPFX (1980, Color, Apx. 48 Minutes) – Learn the secrets of making movies in a galaxy far, far away. Hosted by Mark Hamill, this revealing documentary offers behind-the-scenes glimpses into the amazing special effects that transformed George Lucas' vision for Star Wars and The Empire Strikes Back into reality!
Classic Creatures: Return of the Jedi (1983, Color, Apx. 48 Minutes) – Go behind the scenes — and into the costumes — as production footage from Return of the Jedi is interspersed with vintage monster movie clips in this in-depth exploration of the painstaking techniques utilized by George Lucas to create the classic creatures and characters seen in the film. Hosted and narrated by Carrie Fisher and Billie Dee Williams.
Anatomy of a Dewback (1997, Color, Apx. 26 Minutes) – See how some of the special effects in Star Wars became even more special two decades later! George Lucas explains and demonstrates how his team transformed the original dewback creatures from immovable rubber puppets (in the original 1977 release) to seemingly living, breathing creatures for the Star Wars 1997 Special Edition update.
Star Wars Tech (2007, Color, Apx. 46 Minutes) – Exploring the technical aspects of Star Wars vehicles, weapons and gadgetry, Star Wars Tech consults leading scientists in the fields of physics, prosthetics, lasers, engineering and astronomy to examine the plausibility of Star Wars technology based on science as we know it today.
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Feel The Force of the Star Wars Infinite Saga Site!
This September, the Star Wars Saga comes to Blu-ray for the very first time. Now you can be part of this groundbreaking release, through the magic of "infinite zoom" technology.
When you share this site with your friends, exclusive imagery from the release will be revealed. And the more the site is shared around the world, the more the world will see.
So spread the word today and "zoom" into the the ultimate insider's view of Star Wars on Blu-ray!
I think the site is being slammed right now Bryan.
Look what I got:
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I keep getting redirected to the Fox Movie web site!
Here's the direct link (I think) to the US site spot. But it's still getting slammed.
http://maythe4th.starwars.com/?CO=us-en (http://maythe4th.starwars.com/?CO=us-en)
yeah I got in but it says it's only revealed 19% so far. So I'd wait until the end of the day and everything will be revealed.
Email today from Borders - Star Wars The Complete Saga 9 disc set on Blu-Ray can now be pre-ordered for $96 (29% off) if ordered on-line. May have to be a member but they don't charge for the lower membership rank.
As Fred Kwan said on Galaxy Quest "Just FYI Guys"
V
Thanks for the heads up. Moving this to the other thread about the SW Blu-Ray's.
I like this box image.
Me too, I think that captures it well.
now all is revealed! yay! :cheering no more mysterious mysteries! ;D
Took a closer look at this image this morning and I am a bit confused why the Luke figure facing the twin suns looks to be wearing white pants as opposed the the leggings with wrap around the calf he actually wore. It doesn't look right.
Quote from: Bryancd on May 05, 2011, 07:12:57 AM
Took a closer look at this image this morning and I am a bit confused why the Luke figure facing the twin suns looks to be wearing white pants as opposed the the leggings with wrap around the calf he actually wore. It doesn't look right.
Well originally Lucas intended for Luke to wear white pants but due to budget constraints they had to give him leggings. In an interview he mentioned that all of Luke's Tatooine scenes would have Luke's pants digitally replaced.
I just made that up.
I also hear that Chewie will have proper trousers digitally created as to end any discussion of..well, you know, where is it?
Quote from: Bryancd on May 05, 2011, 07:12:57 AM
Took a closer look at this image this morning and I am a bit confused why the Luke figure facing the twin suns looks to be wearing white pants as opposed the the leggings with wrap around the calf he actually wore. It doesn't look right.
I'm going to take a guess and say that it's a wardrobe change. I think he's bound to have some white pants at the house somewhere.
Well I opened the link and boy that was a let down. Love the covers, I think they are great but come on wheres the pizzaz. That was just montage blending crap. Oh and nice stats at the bottom to show how great they are. Not impressed with that.
Will I but these on Blue ray. No I won't. (Ok I would if i owned a Blue ray player lol)
Quote from: HawkeyeMeds on May 05, 2011, 02:54:33 PM
Well I opened the link and boy that was a let down. Love the covers, I think they are great but come on wheres the pizzaz. That was just montage blending crap. Oh and nice stats at the bottom to show how great they are. Not impressed with that.
Will I but these on Blue ray. No I won't. (Ok I would if i owned a Blue ray player lol)
Hahaha!
I'll buy the blu ray set. I WISH the "From Star Wars To Jedi" documentary was included as a special feature, but, whatever. There's still a lot of cool bonus material.
Eric that will come out on the George Lucas Diamond Blue Ray Digital 3D Bryan Kissed naked Edition ;)
Quote from: HawkeyeMeds on May 05, 2011, 04:07:34 PM
Eric that will come out on the George Lucas Diamond Blue Ray Digital 3D Bryan Kissed naked Edition ;)
Haha! Bryan is cooler than the other side of the pillow, but I'll have to pass on anything featuring "Bryan", "Kissed", and "Naked" all in the same title. Not that there's anything wrong with it; just not my cup of tea. ;)
Hey, unlike Chewie, I actually do wear pants, just not shirts. George Lucas could crap out a DVD of him sitting at his desk picking his nose and I would buy it...preferably in 3D...
^ LOL! I hear you on that, man.
I have to admit; as cool as it will be to have crisp, blu ray quality versions of the OT, I think what's really drawing me to this set is the inclusion of the documentaries. BTW; I'm almost afraid to ask, but does anyone know if the original Original Trilogy will be included? Or is it the new Original? I'll buy it in either case, just wondering.
Not sure, Eric, but I HIGHLY doubt it. Lucas has been very clear the Special Editions are more "his" vision and it's "his" party.
Why would anyone living on a desert planet wear ANYTHING white? It would be dirty 2 seconds outside the house. Lol
Not sure I want to drop $90 on this set. I have so much SW in my house in multiple formats. I may wait for George's next releases because he isn't done yet....
Didn't buy the Star Trek Blu-Rays so probably won't get these. I'm trying not to buy blu-rays of movies I already have on DVD. If I was filthy rich I would probably do it! And I do have some of those documentaries, I recorded them off TV. Mostly from The History Channel.
I will replace my DVD set with the Blu-Rays. I purposefully have not watched the films again anticipating the Blu-Ray release. If a title is out on Blu-Ray I buy it as my first choice of formats. I will only upgrade and replace my most favorite and rewatchable films to Blu-Ray. My wife pretty much won't let me buy DVDs anymore unless that is the only format a title is available in. Many classic films will never see the light of day on Blu-Ray.
As for the Star Wars release it seems that this will be a good set full of special features. And yes...I would prefer to have the original trilogy in their undoctored theatrical release format, but until George is dead, and the greedy of his progeny takes over, it won't happen, and maybe not even then.
Kevin
Quote from: Ktrek on May 06, 2011, 08:36:26 AM
but until George is dead, and the greedy of his progeny takes over, it won't happen, and maybe not even then.
That's just too funny! Can they get more greedy than dad?
Ok Lucas bashers, let me ask you this: If you had a product that millions of people wanted to purchase, even if the complain about it but STILL purchase, what would YOU do? Step up and say.."Hmm, this isn't right. I shall be pure and honest and not try to make money". Or, would you milk it for what you can? C'mon people, hop off of your high horses and stop the madness. I don't care what anyone says, I admire George Lucas, I LIKE Star Wars (both trilogies), and think he's a great writer.
Quote from: QuadShot on May 06, 2011, 08:57:52 AM
Ok Lucas bashers, let me ask you this: If you had a product that millions of people wanted to purchase, even if the complain about it but STILL purchase, what would YOU do? Step up and say.."Hmm, this isn't right. I shall be pure and honest and not try to make money". Or, would you milk it for what you can? C'mon people, hop off of your high horses and stop the madness. I don't care what anyone says, I admire George Lucas, I LIKE Star Wars (both trilogies), and think he's a great writer.
He's a great writer, but he is a bad screenwriter. The prequels have some of the WORST dialogue of any movie I've seen.
I only have the original trilogy on DVD so I think I'll eventually pick up this set. Also, no you can't blame him for doing what he does, the crazy thing about Lucas and Start Wars is that he can create new demand just by re-releasing the movies with a few different features.
Oh I admire his ability to milk his six films for all he can, but it stil boils down to a vice called greed. It never ceases to amaze me how much money he can get the fans to cough up (are we suckers or what?). Paramount/CBS have what could be a far more lucrative franchise in Star Trek but have never been able to get the widespread appeal that Star Wars has garnered nor the profits. And as much as I enjoy the Star Wars films I have enever found them to be as entertaining or as stimulating as Star Trek. If I had to chosse between the two franchises Trek would win hands down with Star Wars not even coming close. And I don't think stating what is known about Lucas is "bashing" him.
Kevin
Ktrek, sure it is. If people continually say he's greedy, his writing is not good, he's evil because he wants to make money, sure that's bashing. What would your definition of bashing be then, if not this? And really, you can't blame the guy if people are obviously attracted to his work. How can you? You can't blame him if people, of their own free will, continue to contribute to his retirement fund, can you? If I'm a sucker and keep buying his product, even though I openly voice my distaste for it, can't blame him for my stupidity, can you? I'm 100% positive that there are a great many people out there that would say the very same thing about Gene Roddenberry. Truthfully (and although I LOVE Star Trek) you HAVE to admit that a lot of the dialogue in the Star Trek Universe is quite bad, corny and goofy. In all the series and movies.
If you don't like Lucas cool. If you want to complain about him cool. Let's just call it what it is and move on. Bashing :)
Not to turn this into Trek vs Wars, Star Wars is a very classical story steeped in history and mythology transported into a fantasy setting. Trek is traditionally much more cerebral, making commentary about current social issues.
The "save the damsel in distress from the Black Knight's castle" story generally has slightly wider appeal.
Quote from: billybob476 on May 06, 2011, 09:22:12 AM
He's a great writer, but he is a bad screenwriter.
..and arguably and not so great director. Besides story, he excels at editing. But I think all of you are missing the point and what motivates Lucas. It's not greed, he's wealthy beyond imagination and I really don't feel he is motivated by the accumulation of additional wealth. Lucas uses releases of old product in new formats like this to help fund the projects he is really passionate about, which are the technical advancement of the film industry. THAT IS HIS PASSION. Everything else he's doing, Blu-Ray releases, games, books, licencing, are alldesigned to provide seed capital to new projects. That's it. It's not greed, he's manging a growing company.
Yes! He uses his money to create new acronyms for us to use such as THX and ILM :)
Quote from: billybob476 on May 06, 2011, 09:37:47 AM
Yes! He uses his money to create new acronyms for us to use such as THX and ILM :)
And soon Lucas3D! The man single handedly created digital filming. I keep saying it, he's a technocrat not an artiste.
Quote from: QuadShot on May 06, 2011, 09:32:12 AM
Ktrek, sure it is. If people continually say he's greedy, his writing is not good, he's evil because he wants to make money, sure that's bashing. What would your definition of bashing be then, if not this? And really, you can't blame the guy if people are obviously attracted to his work. How can you? You can't blame him if people, of their own free will, continue to contribute to his retirement fund, can you? If I'm a sucker and keep buying his product, even though I openly voice my distaste for it, can't blame him for my stupidity, can you? I'm 100% positive that there are a great many people out there that would say the very same thing about Gene Roddenberry. Truthfully (and although I LOVE Star Trek) you HAVE to admit that a lot of the dialogue in the Star Trek Universe is quite bad, corny and goofy. In all the series and movies.
If you don't like Lucas cool. If you want to complain about him cool. Let's just call it what it is and move on. Bashing :)
I think bashing implies ill intent and I have no ill intent toward Lucas. If I state the truth, for example, that Mr. O'bama is too "inexperienced" to lead this country is not bashing him but stating what it true regarding him and can be proven from his record and past actions. To state that Lucas is "greedy" is only stating the obvious. Just because greed is a negative trait and recognized to be so by most people, is not bashing someone by stating the obvious and true.
As to whether Lucas is a good writer my vote would be more moderate in that I would say he has a good imagination and was fortunate enough to bring it to life with the help of so many other talented people, but the dialogue in all the films is at times quite cringe worthy and could have been better.
Kevin
In reference to my explanation, how can this be considered greed? If you feel that way that's fine, but I don't see anything "greedy" about the way Lucas manages his company or the motivations behind it.
Quote from: Bryancd on May 06, 2011, 10:04:11 AM
In reference to my explanation, how can this be considered greed? If you feel that way that's fine, but I don't see anything "greedy" about the way Lucas manages his company or the motivations behind it.
I get what you're saying, but I think that constantly milking the same thing for more and more can come off as a bit greedy. I also understand what you're saying about financing other projects, but if the other project is a retooling of your previous project in a new format, you can't tell me that you need to do that to fund the project when it can fund itself. It's also not like THX and ILM are not bringing in money by working on other projects to fund what he wants to work on.
To me, he's gotten enough of my money and I can't justify doing the same old thing again. I don't fault people that do, but the money I spend on Star Wars has been 100% on new content for a while now. I support the books, the comics, and bought my wife a saddle bag that was Star Wars. I just can't get hyped for this new release. I also don't know what he's doing. I'm not in his head. It could be some master plan to fund his next project, or it could be greed. I don't see why it's needed to fund his project, Cameron is funding his own projects for the most part and hasn't had to go back to the well to release the Titanic Special Edition to fund his next projects. He did do a director's cut of Avatar, but I expected one of those when I saw it because there is only so much time that people are willing to sit for a movie.
Basically, I don't know if it can or can't be considered greed, but from the outside looking in, it looks like it.
To me greed is profiting at the expense of others. No one has a gun to anyone's head forcing them to buy Star Wars. Clearly the market sees value in re-releasing the movies or no one would buy them. If an individual does not see value in them, they will speak with their wallets and not buy them.
Quote from: billybob476 on May 06, 2011, 10:21:42 AM
To me greed is profiting at the expense of others. No one has a gun to anyone's head forcing them to buy Star Wars. Clearly the market sees value in re-releasing the movies or no one would buy them. If an individual does not see value in them, they will speak with their wallets and not buy them.
Solid points and clearly not greed by how you define it.
Quote from: Bryancd on May 06, 2011, 09:34:43 AM
Quote from: billybob476 on May 06, 2011, 09:22:12 AM
He's a great writer, but he is a bad screenwriter.
..and arguably and not so great director. Besides story, he excels at editing. But I think all of you are missing the point and what motivates Lucas. It's not greed, he's wealthy beyond imagination and I really don't feel he is motivated by the accumulation of additional wealth. Lucas uses releases of old product in new formats like this to help fund the projects he is really passionate about, which are the technical advancement of the film industry. THAT IS HIS PASSION. Everything else he's doing, Blu-Ray releases, games, books, licencing, are alldesigned to provide seed capital to new projects. That's it. It's not greed, he's manging a growing company.
Good point Bryan...well said.
Quote from: X on May 06, 2011, 10:20:35 AM
I also understand what you're saying about financing other projects, but if the other project is a retooling of your previous project in a new format, you can't tell me that you need to do that to fund the project when it can fund itself. It's also not like THX and ILM are not bringing in money by working on other projects to fund what he wants to work on.
But now we are making assumptions we understand the internal financing needs of all of LucasFilm, how those revenues are generated, who they effect the corporations earning, ect. You can't say STAR WARS projects should be able to pay for themselves or that ancillary projects revenues can be shared across individual corporations. They likely can not be, ILM and THX are separate corporations from LucasFilm. They are distinct and unique and don't revenue share. LucasFilm is the owner of STAR WARS, so STAR WARS profits go to LucasFilm from which Lucas can choose to form or fund new technical advancements which may eventually become spin off corporations just like ILM and THX. And I don't think the Cameron analogy is germane as "TITANIC" isn't even remotely the same kind of franchise STAR WARS is. There's no market for a special release of TITANIC whereas there is for STAR WARS.
Again, Lucas is not ILM or THX. He's LucasFilm. That's where he can generate revenue to advnavce new projects. Calling Lucas greedy would be like calling Steve Job greedy because they released the iPad2.
Quote from: Bryancd on May 06, 2011, 10:30:39 AM
Again, Lucas is not ILM or THX. He's LucasFilm. That's where he can generate revenue to advnavce new projects. Calling Lucas greedy would be like calling Steve Job greedy because they released the iPad2.
To things: Doesn't he own the same amount of ILM and THX as he does in LucasFilm? And I think I did call Jobs greedy for the price point to specs ratio.
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Just did a check. ILM is owned by LucasFilm and THX was an intellectual property of LucasFilms, so both do put the money in his pocket.
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Just did a check. ILM is owned by LucasFilm and THX was an intellectual property of LucasFilms, so both do put the money in his pocket.
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Unless of course, George is wearing a Kilt, in which case the money would go in his sporran! :)
Only in so far he has a private ownership interest in both companies, but they are seperate corporations spun off from LucasFilm. You can't say "they put money in his pocket" and then conclude anything he does with STAR WARS to generate more revenue isn't warranted. Owning APPLE stock puts unrealized capital gain my my clients accounts, but that doesn't mean they take that money to pay the bills. It's an investment. Lucas retains an investment in THX and ILM, whch are both private companies. The success of either will increase the unrealized value of Lucas ownership interest, but it's not like they are sending him cash. Lucas drives the cash to develop new personal project from LucasFilm which owns STAR WARS. That's their corpoare 'widget" they make and sell.
New clip from the Blu-Ray release featuring Ewan!
https://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=1406163010025&oid=7456886002 (https://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=1406163010025&oid=7456886002)
Well all said and done with the marketing, who owns what and so on. At the end of the day if people want it they will buy it,supply and demand.
The die hard fans will buy it for sure. i mean look at all them Jedi weddings
Damn this footage looks AMAZING!!!
http://apps.facebook.com/starwars-tm/ (http://apps.facebook.com/starwars-tm/)
Quote from: Bryancd on August 01, 2011, 02:05:55 PM
Damn this footage looks AMAZING!!!
http://apps.facebook.com/starwars-tm/ (http://apps.facebook.com/starwars-tm/)
Yeah I am bummed I didn't do this while at SDCC.. the line was also so long. :(
You guys have seen "Star Wars" in HD on channels like Spike haven't you? I think I've posted some screencaps in HD too. It does look nice!
Quote from: Rico on August 02, 2011, 08:41:29 AM
You guys have seen "Star Wars" in HD on channels like Spike haven't you? I think I've posted some screencaps in HD too. It does look nice!
I've had all six films recorded on my DVR from Spike HD for almost 2 years!
Quote from: Rico on August 02, 2011, 08:41:29 AM
You guys have seen "Star Wars" in HD on channels like Spike haven't you? I think I've posted some screencaps in HD too. It does look nice!
Yeah but that's not true HD :) .. I mean it's compressed for TV.
Well i was in HMV today and they have a massive point of sale for this.place your preorder and all that. They also have TNG boxset advance orders for £150.00 For the whole series.
Yoda goes CGI in The Phantom Menace!
http://www.thehdroom.com/news/CGI-Yoda-on-Star-Wars-Episode-1-Blu-ray-Revealed/9434 (http://www.thehdroom.com/news/CGI-Yoda-on-Star-Wars-Episode-1-Blu-ray-Revealed/9434)
Yep, we saw CG TPM Yoda at the STAR WARS in Concert show last year!
Quote from: Geekyfanboy on August 03, 2011, 11:39:25 AM
Quote from: Rico on August 02, 2011, 08:41:29 AM
You guys have seen "Star Wars" in HD on channels like Spike haven't you? I think I've posted some screencaps in HD too. It does look nice!
Yeah but that's not true HD :) .. I mean it's compressed for TV.
Actually Kenny, I think it's pretty darn close. I'm talking an HD channel here. Heavy compression typically is used for things like Netflix and other streaming services like Hulu, Amazon, etc. Cable channels that broadcast in HD can be 720pm or 1080i or 1080p - and slightly compressed. I'm not quite sure what Spike HD does, but it's pretty close to how the Blu-Ray's will look.
Yeah, on my HD Spike on my LCD HD screen it looked AMAZING.
Quote from: Rico on August 25, 2011, 04:17:31 PM
Quote from: Geekyfanboy on August 03, 2011, 11:39:25 AM
Quote from: Rico on August 02, 2011, 08:41:29 AM
You guys have seen "Star Wars" in HD on channels like Spike haven't you? I think I've posted some screencaps in HD too. It does look nice!
Yeah but that's not true HD :) .. I mean it's compressed for TV.
Actually Kenny, I think it's pretty darn close. I'm talking an HD channel here. Heavy compression typically is used for things like Netflix and other streaming services like Hulu, Amazon, etc. Cable channels that broadcast in HD can be 720pm or 1080i or 1080p - and slightly compressed. I'm not quite sure what Spike HD does, but it's pretty close to how the Blu-Ray's will look.
Nothing is being broadcasted in 1080p (yet) and cable companies compress their signals... just to varying degrees. Blu-ray is the only true HD 1080i/1080p
Didn't I say that? Tech specs are one thing, what you can see with your eyes is another.
Cgi Yoda! Balls I say to that ;)
Quote from: HawkeyeMeds on August 26, 2011, 01:25:08 AM
Cgi Yoda! Balls I say to that ;)
At least ge didn't go back and cgi him in the original trilogy. I was half expecting it!
Yeah all TV is compressed to some degree. The least compressed channel we have up here is Discovery HD. No Spike HD for us (or me at least, just SD).
Personally, I never thought the ep 1 puppet Yoda was much of an issue. Now if the Blu Ray's provided a Jar Jar free cut, then we'd have something to talk about.
Quote from: HawkeyeMeds on August 26, 2011, 01:25:08 AM
Cgi Yoda! Balls I say to that ;)
Come on, now, TPM catchers mitt face Yoda puppet was a horror show. That needed to go. I have no idea what they were thinking making him look they way they did and why they didn't just use the original puppet or a close facsimile.
Channels currently vary on compression rates and so forth. Some are actually quite good and close to Blu-Ray visually. If you have an hour or two, this thread is very informative on HD compression - with screenshots too.
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1008271 (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1008271)
Been reading a lot of bad feeling about the CGI Yoda and some other digital touch ups. I havnt seen it yet so i cant really comment but looking back at the films now (new ones) the CGI looks dated as Lord of The Rings still holds up. As I say though I have not seen any of the scenes yet.
As much as I dislike CGi intrusion into old movies, I don't have a problem with this Yoda. That puppet from Episode 1 didn't look like Yoda at all. Looked like Kermit on roids.
Quote from: HawkeyeMeds on August 26, 2011, 02:33:22 PM
Been reading a lot of bad feeling about the CGI Yoda and some other digital touch ups. I havnt seen it yet so i cant really comment but looking back at the films now (new ones) the CGI looks dated as Lord of The Rings still holds up. As I say though I have not seen any of the scenes yet.
LOTR in High Def shows some wrinkles. I have it on Blu-Ray and it shows a bit. And I say bollocks to anyone who would rather see that abomination of a puppet in TMP. That thing was complete shite. It looks awful. If they didn't use the original ESB puppet then CGI that sucker.
Quote from: Bryancd on August 28, 2011, 04:37:41 PM
Quote from: HawkeyeMeds on August 26, 2011, 02:33:22 PM
Been reading a lot of bad feeling about the CGI Yoda and some other digital touch ups. I havnt seen it yet so i cant really comment but looking back at the films now (new ones) the CGI looks dated as Lord of The Rings still holds up. As I say though I have not seen any of the scenes yet.
LOTR in High Def shows some wrinkles. I have it on Blu-Ray and it shows a bit. And I say bollocks to anyone who would rather see that abomination of a puppet in TMP. That thing was complete shite. It looks awful. If they didn't use the original ESB puppet then CGI that sucker.
I agree with Bryan, the TMP version of yoda is terrible. I love the look of the original trilogy and the CGI looks, but the TMP is a sore thumb in that movie....I don't know what Gorge was thinking, but it should have been vetoed...
King
To be fair everything bar Darth Maul was shite in TPM so I suggest erasing it for ever lol
Bry have you noticed any green shimmer on the Blue Ray for LOTR? I've seen stuff on YouTube and wondered if it there is any truth to it.
Not that I have noticed but I am still early in viewing them in the entirety. They are so long and lovely. :)
I think the thing they were trying to do with Yoda in TPM was show him younger than in Empire, etc. So they had to make a new puppet. But it just didn't work and look quite like it probably should. I've never had a huge problem with it actually. If anything, the CGI Yoda looks in a way more removed from the way he looked in Empire. It's a very subtle and tricky thing to pull off. Especially for those of us with such a "burned in" image in our minds for how Yoda should look, walk, talk and so forth.
Yeah, they were trying to make him younger but somehow just made him look wierd. I wasn't a huge fan of the CGI Yoda at first, I was in the camp of bring back Frank Oz and the original puppet, but it's grown on me so much that now I don't really even notice.
Hey if anyone is going to be in the LA area on the weekend of September 24th and 25th.. you need to come to my Star Wars Movie Marathon / 41st Birthday BBQ Bash!!! Going to watch all six Blu-ray movies over the weekend on my 60 inch HDTV. Should be loads of fun. Going to start with Ep 4, 5, 6 and then 1, 2 and 3
Sounds awesome! And Kenny - that's the order to watch them in. :)
Quote from: Rico on August 29, 2011, 03:14:06 PM
Sounds awesome! And Kenny - that's the order to watch them in. :)
Yeah I have had others try to tell me otherwise. :)
Sounds like a blast! Wish I could be there!
That would be alot of fun, Kenny. BBQ and Star Wars, how much more fun could you have?
So cool
Latest Star Wars Blu-Ray "improvements", Ewoks with CGI eyeballs and blinking in ROTJ....
**sigh**
pic.twitter.com/oNpyQE5 (http://pic.twitter.com/oNpyQE5)
You ate joking???? Please tell me you ARE JOKING.
Quote from: HawkeyeMeds on August 30, 2011, 08:24:03 AM
You ate joking???? Please tell me you ARE JOKING.
Apparently it's true. Somebody has got hold of the discs early, it's mentioned in post #4584 of this thread:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=20883624 (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=20883624)
Really George? I mean, really?? :dstar
LOL! I think that's pretty funny, actually.
*is trying to figure out the problem...*
King
I'll wait to see these "improvements" before I make my decision if it was a good or bad move.
Come on Kenny, you know George Bashing is so fanboy chic! :)
Quote from: Bryancd on August 30, 2011, 11:00:58 AM
Come on Kenny, you know George Bashing is so fanboy chic! :)
Not for me.. I don't get why people bash the man who created what essentially made me a geek.
Quote from: Geekyfanboy on August 30, 2011, 11:02:21 AM
Quote from: Bryancd on August 30, 2011, 11:00:58 AM
Come on Kenny, you know George Bashing is so fanboy chic! :)
Not for me.. I don't get why people bash the man who created what essentially made me a geek.
...and who in my mind is still to this day providing me with great STAR WARS entertainment and content with the Clone Wars.
The only two "improvements" I don't care for are Han shooting first and the dance number in Jabba's palace in ROTJ, but frankly GL can do whatever he likes.
For the record I don't have a problem with changes being made to works of art like movies. I actually like the technical aspects and motivations. I may not always agree there is a need for it though.
I suspect that the issue with Wicket's eyes came up because in the HD transfer they must have become very noticeable as brown reflective lenses so the decision was made to go with CGI eyes. Now you can argue that we know it's a guy in a suit and seeing the lenses would make no difference to our enjoyment of the transfer and I agree. The counter argument is that Lucas doesn't want anything to distract us back to "reality" and take us out of the movie.
Both valid. :)
For me Star Wars pretty much ended in 1983. I was super extremely excited for the follow up movies but I don't think I'll ever get over my disappointment over the three prequels and how much I disliked them. I never got into the extended universe, never really cared about the tweaks and improvements made to the original films, and nothing about the new characters introduced into the prequel films ever grabbed me or interested me at all. As time goes by the prequels fare worse and worse in my opinion and I don't believe history will be any kinder to these films as they are continuously released and re-released over and over again. I'm a huge fan of the original movies, and I'll never understand why true sequels that extended the stories of the characters I loved were never made.
Quote from: billybob476 on August 30, 2011, 11:08:15 AM
The only two "improvements" I don't care for are Han shooting first and the dance number in Jabba's palace in ROTJ, but frankly GL can do whatever he likes.
I didn't care for replacing Anakin at the end ROTJ either. I think that's probably the worst change.
I don't think it's a problem to criticise things that we are fans of. It doesn't diminish your fandom in any way and it's healthy IMHO.
Quote from: Dangelus on August 30, 2011, 11:16:08 AM
Quote from: billybob476 on August 30, 2011, 11:08:15 AM
The only two "improvements" I don't care for are Han shooting first and the dance number in Jabba's palace in ROTJ, but frankly GL can do whatever he likes.
I didn't care for replacing Anakin at the end ROTJ either. I think that's probably the worst change.
I don't think it's a problem to criticise things that we are fans of. It doesn't diminish your fandom in any way and it's healthy IMHO.
Exactly, everyone is entitled to their opinions. Saying that a creator has no right to modify their creation is a bit silly.
Quote from: billybob476 on August 30, 2011, 11:24:13 AM
Quote from: Dangelus on August 30, 2011, 11:16:08 AM
Quote from: billybob476 on August 30, 2011, 11:08:15 AM
The only two "improvements" I don't care for are Han shooting first and the dance number in Jabba's palace in ROTJ, but frankly GL can do whatever he likes.
I didn't care for replacing Anakin at the end ROTJ either. I think that's probably the worst change.
I don't think it's a problem to criticise things that we are fans of. It doesn't diminish your fandom in any way and it's healthy IMHO.
Exactly, everyone is entitled to their opinions. Saying that a creator has no right to modify their creation is a bit silly.
I don't think I've ever come across anybody who has said that. Even the die hard purists just want the original theatrical versions preserved and available to purchase regardless of how many modified editions Lucas want to release. The issue is that Lucas absolutely has the right to NOT make these versions available and this is what these people have a problem with.
Quote from: Dangelus on August 30, 2011, 11:16:08 AM
Quote from: billybob476 on August 30, 2011, 11:08:15 AM
The only two "improvements" I don't care for are Han shooting first and the dance number in Jabba's palace in ROTJ, but frankly GL can do whatever he likes.
I didn't care for replacing Anakin at the end ROTJ either. I think that's probably the worst change.
I don't think it's a problem to criticise things that we are fans of. It doesn't diminish your fandom in any way and it's healthy IMHO.
You're right everyone has the right to their own opinions.. but I see these things as being nitpicky and I was never a fan of nitpickers. I mean in the overall story nothing has changed. Things look different (improved) most of the time but really no damage has been made to the original storyline of the movie. But these are just my opinions.
Quote from: Jobydrone4of20 on August 30, 2011, 11:15:35 AM
I'm a huge fan of the original movies, and I'll never understand why true sequels that extended the stories of the characters I loved were never made.
Because that wasn't the story that was being told by the man who created it, as much as I too would love to have seen the further adventures of the OT crew. We can't confuse our own wants and expectations with the story GL is looking to tell. I can understand and respect that position. Anakin was the story, not Luke. But we grew up loving Luke and Han and Leia and wanted more. That's our issue, not his.
I agree that Han shooting first has the greatest impact on the story being told as it directly effects how we view a main character. As such, that's the most extreme change I think he's made and one I don't care for as it alters my perception of Han somewhat. A CGI Ewok eyeball doesn't have any menaingful impact for me.
Quote from: Bryancd on August 30, 2011, 11:44:19 AM
A CGI Ewok eyeball doesn't have any menaingful impact for me.
Gotta love it all, did you ever think you'd be uttering such a sentence? Lol
Quote from: Dangelus on August 30, 2011, 11:58:51 AM
Quote from: Bryancd on August 30, 2011, 11:44:19 AM
A CGI Ewok eyeball doesn't have any menaingful impact for me.
Gotta love it all, did you ever think you'd be uttering such a sentence? Lol
Now that you point it out.... LOL!
Quote from: Bryancd on August 30, 2011, 11:42:05 AM
Quote from: Jobydrone4of20 on August 30, 2011, 11:15:35 AM
I'm a huge fan of the original movies, and I'll never understand why true sequels that extended the stories of the characters I loved were never made.
Because that wasn't the story that was being told by the man who created it, as much as I too would love to have seen the further adventures of the OT crew. We can't confuse our own wants and expectations with the story GL is looking to tell. I can understand and respect that position. Anakin was the story, not Luke. But we grew up loving Luke and Han and Leia and wanted more. That's our issue, not his.
I don't
think I'm confused. You won't see me joining in with the Lucas bashing, even though I dearly wish that the whole Star Wars franchise had turned out so much differently than it has. I have nothing but respect and admiration for the man, and will remain forever thankful for the joy the original trilogy brought me over the years. And I would certainly never begrudge anyone their enjoyment of the current Star Wars universe, it's just not my cup of tea.
LOL! Fair enough, it's probably me, I'm often confused... :)
Anything can be justified. George can surely do what he wishes, but my biggest question has always been WHY? Did Ewoks not blinking really bug anyone? Did Han shooting first keep people up at night thinking he was a cold blooded killer? Did having an older Anakin at the end of "Jedi" not make sense to anyone? I'm cool with it all and I'll be there buying the Blu-Rays when they come out, but I just think all these little changes over time have kind of turned into a bit of a joke. And I see no "Lucas bashing" on this forum. I just see some who maybe feel some of the changes were maybe not needed or even more, made the movie not quite the way they preferred it.
I agree, I've seen no Lucas bashing on this forum so I don't k ow why that keeps being mentioned. I personally don't see the point, but I didn't make the film. I know I've filmed stuff years ago & look back & think that model looks crap and now I could change it. I don't because that's then and I want to create new stuff or write new stuff. I think I'm just very bored of it. I love the films, I think GL is a great creator and I look forward to seeing the new updates (because I will buy them) but how much is too much? It's like plastic surgery, a nip tuck here and there leads to another nip, another nip till the original face looks nothing like it used to.
I'm pretty much done with buying the movies. They are not the movies that I fell in love with and they did change way too much. Han walking on Jabba's tail? Not shooting first? Luke's scream that was added then cut for the next rerelease. I'm done. I also think that people not liking the changes is totally fair. It has nothing to do with George as a person, but George as the guy that decided to make these changes. I think that he's put the final nail in the coffin for me in terms of buying the movies. Theses aren't the movies I stood in line for and millions of people memorized word for word scene for seen.
I miss the damned Ewok song at the end and still don't understand how something that happen on the ass end of the universe leads to revolution mere moments after a secret space station is destroyed. That was one of the largest issues I had, but when screwed with enough wasn't enough, I have happily decided to check out. I have the films that I want. I don't need more changes on top of the changes that I don't enjoy.
These are not the droids I seek.
Must. Rip. Original. Trilogy. VHS. Tapes...
Put me on team "change what you want, but can I have the original versions, too, pretty please". I already have originals and enhanced on VHS, I'd happily spring for blurays of the originals. Call me nostalgic, sentimental, whatever...
Please...please tell me this is a fake. I am a big proponent of things not needing to be said in scenes. Let the actions and the emotions tell the stories, not the dialogue. Please George, tell me your not this stupid....otherwise this kills any interest I have in buying the Blu-Ray versions.
http://www.badassdigest.com/2011/08/30/did-lucas-add-vader-crying-noooooo-to-return-of-the-jedi (http://www.badassdigest.com/2011/08/30/did-lucas-add-vader-crying-noooooo-to-return-of-the-jedi)
As for the New Krayt dragon sound, it is better than the 2nd version, that version is terrible and unrealistic, this version is at least creepy and doable.
King
Lol well you can say one thing at least, these releases sure are going to be talked about a lot!
More changes?
(http://img41.imageshack.us/img41/9888/r2newshots.jpg)
For Bryan and Meds ;)
(http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/7108/ewoksi.jpg)
[embed=425,349]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CRejStaN3q4[/embed]
Isn't that R2 shot from ANH? Regarding the above, "I have my eye on you Fockker!"
Quote from: Bryancd on August 31, 2011, 04:53:24 AM
Isn't that R2 shot from ANH? Regarding the above, "I have my eye on you Fockker!"
Lol!
Yep you're right, he changed that one too! ;) Corrected the caption.
See, I don't find any of the above changes, assuming they are even true, to be problematic for my enjoyment of the films. I'm at work and wasn't able to see with King was going on about and the link he psoted.
How about ths one?
What's a Dug doing there? Lol
[embed=425,349]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IlYNYb0ExAs[/embed]
That pic won't load on my cheap, security encrypted P.O.S. web browser here at work...
I'm hoping this one is a fake because it's pretty pointless.
Edit: oops. It's real :(
I can't see it!
Quote from: Bryancd on August 31, 2011, 07:07:22 AM
I can't see it!
I've gone back and embedded them now. Any better?
Here are the changes being added, the first one being Ben Kenobi's Krayt Dragon call.
[embed=425,349]<iframe width="1280" height="750" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/J0EUjobdavw" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>[/embed]
The second one is where Darth Vader yells no at the end of return of the jedi.
[embed=425,349]<iframe width="1280" height="750" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/eGaSxSuB2vY" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>[/embed]
I just don't need Vader yelling at all in that scene, you can see clearly through his movements whats going on...
King
I know what you mean. IMHO it's a crazy decision to add that "noooo" to this scene.
These have been confirmed changes, the Blu-Rays have leaked and are available in various places.
Quote from: Dangelus on August 31, 2011, 10:45:44 AM
I know what you mean. IMHO it's a crazy decision to add that "noooo" to this scene.
These have been confirmed changes, the Blu-Rays have leaked and are available in various places.
I guess the only good thing about the Krayt call is that it at least feels creepy....in the bad way.
King
What I'm wondering is if Lucas is aware of how much that "Noooo" yell from Sith was mocked and derided by so many, and if he is purposely adding it to the end of Jedi as a kind of middle finger to those people. Or if he is adding it as a link between the end of Anakin's fall to the dark side in Sith and his return to the Light in ROTJ. I guess even though it kind of seems like the former, it is probably the latter. Maybe a little of both.
Quote from: Jobydrone4of20 on August 31, 2011, 10:55:39 AM
Or if he is adding it as a link between the end of Anakin's fall to the dark side in Sith and his return to the Light in ROTJ.
I would imagine more this. He may be a lot of things, but overly involved in specific fan reactions to this seems unlikely.
Quote from: Bryancd on August 31, 2011, 11:09:40 AM
Quote from: Jobydrone4of20 on August 31, 2011, 10:55:39 AM
Or if he is adding it as a link between the end of Anakin's fall to the dark side in Sith and his return to the Light in ROTJ.
I would imagine more this. He may be a lot of things, but overly involved in specific fan reactions to this seems unlikely.
I know what you mean, it does seem unlikely. But it just seems so odd considering how much and how often that specific line was singled out by so many people. He has to know, right? I mean the guy has access to the internet and all, it would have been hard to
NOT be aware.
Like them or not, I can't wait to watch these now. This is just too funny :)
Quote from: Jobydrone4of20 on August 31, 2011, 11:16:40 AM
Quote from: Bryancd on August 31, 2011, 11:09:40 AM
Quote from: Jobydrone4of20 on August 31, 2011, 10:55:39 AM
Or if he is adding it as a link between the end of Anakin's fall to the dark side in Sith and his return to the Light in ROTJ.
I would imagine more this. He may be a lot of things, but overly involved in specific fan reactions to this seems unlikely.
I know what you mean, it does seem unlikely. But it just seems so odd considering how much and how often that specific line was singled out by so many people. He has to know, right? I mean the guy has access to the internet and all, it would have been hard to NOT be aware.
He has a vision of how Star Wars is meant to be, granted the vision keeps changing but like it has been said it is his to do with as he wishes. I'd love to know what's going on in his head though.
He certainly was well aware of the Han shot first contoversry as he wore a shirt that said "Han Shot First" in a photo from the set of Indy IV!
Quote from: Bryancd on August 31, 2011, 11:32:50 AM
He certainly was well aware of the Han shot first contoversry as he wore a shirt that said "Han Shot First" in a photo from the set of Indy IV!
The cheeky tinker! :)
Lucasfilm confirms the "nooooo!" change is genuine!
http://artsbeat.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/08/31/lucasfilm-confirms-change-to-blu-ray-release-of-return-of-the-jedi/?scp=1&sq=lucas+films&st=cse (http://artsbeat.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/08/31/lucasfilm-confirms-change-to-blu-ray-release-of-return-of-the-jedi/?scp=1&sq=lucas+films&st=cse)
Jesus, Dan, you are a news hound! As Joby mentioned, there is an element of symmetry to it. In ROTS the NO was when he learns he may have caused Padme's death and likely really seals the deal on his journey to the Dark Side. Now it ROTJ the NO is when he redeems himself, denies the Dark Side, and sacrafices himself to save Luke. Although I think it's not needed, I can see what GL may have been considering.
Wow Simon Pegg is mad! ::) ::)
Gotta say....this bums me out. I liked the silent tossing of the Emperor, the music, the body language, the editing gave you Vader's mindset, he just acted. Oh well. It is what it is.
Is the addition in ROTJ an exact duplication of the "NOOOO" from Revenge of the Sith or does it just recall the line?
Quote from: Jobydrone4of20 on August 31, 2011, 12:39:06 PM
Is the addition in ROTJ an exact duplication of the "NOOOO" from Revenge of the Sith or does it just recall the line?
I just read over on SWAN's forums it's a cold, quiet "no" followed by a more forceful, loud "NO!!!" when he scoops up Palpatine.
Quote from: Bryancd on August 31, 2011, 12:40:51 PM
Quote from: Jobydrone4of20 on August 31, 2011, 12:39:06 PM
Is the addition in ROTJ an exact duplication of the "NOOOO" from Revenge of the Sith or does it just recall the line?
I just read over on SWAN's forums it's a cold, quiet "no" followed by a more forceful, loud "NO!!!" when he scoops up Palpatine.
Read earlier in the thread, I embedded the video. :)
King
Quote from: Jobydrone4of20 on August 31, 2011, 12:39:06 PM
Is the addition in ROTJ an exact duplication of the "NOOOO" from Revenge of the Sith or does it just recall the line?
Comments are that it isn't exactly the same. I doubt he got James Earl Jones in to record this especially (although I wouldn't rule it out) so perhaps it is from a different take of the scene from Sith.
Quote from: Chris-El on August 31, 2011, 12:29:19 PM
Gotta say....this bums me out. I liked the silent tossing of the Emperor,
I must have missed this scene... Oh wait I get what you mean now. ;)
Sorry, wording was off. VADER was silent, the Emp was screaming like a little girl.
I'm with Simon Pegg
FINALLY home and able to watch the clips. Wicket looks great, I think that's a nice change. The dug and big door at Jabba's Palace are fine, no big deal. The NO I could do without, as much as it would have alerted Palpatine who could have turned the lightning on him as well as it plays better without the dialogue.
Another essential change:
R2D2 needed more doodads in this scene, some CGI reflections and smoke. :)
Original
(http://i.imgur.com/PbdSA.png)
Blu-Ray
(http://i.imgur.com/QrVEG.jpg)
Looks good.
This one might be a fake ;)
[embed=425,349]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ftB6xS7gG1s[/embed]
Now, that's a change I can get behind! :)
I felt compelled to drop a not to the guys at The ForceCast regarding some of the fan reaction to the changes we have seen and what seems to be a sense that GL should consider fan reaction and or opinions about any changes he makes to the films in his decision process. Here's what I wrote:
To respond to those who feel that GL should consider the fan reaction and or opinions as to what should or should not be in the films, I suggest they really don't understand the man. GL has built his entire career around the concept of following his own creative direction. From the very beginning, he never considered popular opinion, accepted norms, or the traditional approach to creating content, storytelling, and film making. If he had, we likely never would have had STAR WARS, LucasFilm, ILM, Skywalker Sound, and any other of the myriad of advancements which can be directly ascribed to GL doing what he felt was appropriate for his vision. He understood bowing to outside pressure was a path to mediocrity. So to excpect him to read EU novels, film reviews, or internet forums and adjust his own cretaive output to satiate public opinion is misplaced. It's perfectly fine for people to have opinions on his creative choices and to give voice to those opinions. Certainly there have been choices, both creative and aesthetic he has made that i may not agree with but that doesn't make me right or him wrong. At the end of the day it is incumbent upon GL to see his vision through as he see's fit and not attempt to censor or alter his vision by committee. The creative process is not a democracy nor should it be.
Bryan, he most certainly listens to the fans. Heck, he wears their t-shirts!
Nice post Bryan, totally agree.
Quote from: Rico on September 01, 2011, 09:05:55 AM
Bryan, he most certainly listens to the fans. Heck, he wears their t-shirts!
Go back a few posts, I mentioned that t-shirt to Dan. :)
"He certainly was well aware of the Han shot first contoversry as he wore a shirt that said "Han Shot First" in a photo from the set of Indy IV!"
And he's more then welcome to listen to whoever he wants and accept the input IF it's something he feels strongly about or agrees with. My point is that he shouldn't be polling people to see what he should do, he should do what he feels is right.
Quote from: Rico on September 01, 2011, 09:05:55 AM
Bryan, he most certainly listens to the fans. Heck, he wears their t-shirts!
Might send him this one
(http://www.shotdeadinthehead.com/images/designs/DOG07.jpg)
^ That's a good one. :)
LOL i want one of those. I've been thinking about this the past few days and obviously GL can do what he likes its his little family of films but i do think he should release the 'traditional' editions on Blue ray as well (ok do a nice transfer etc) he would make a good few bucks as well.
Even more changes by digitally replacing our beloved characters with Disney toons!
Lol! And he looks so happy about it!
OH FRAK! George has even rewritten the opening crawl! Geez - he's gone too far this time!
Star Wars Text (Re-Edit) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1LBo4R65KbA#noexternalembed-ws)
To cheer everyone up, I found this. Now this is funny!
[embed=425,349]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dRn4iSKcfY0[/embed]
:) Now THAT's an awesome change!!!!!!! Looks like R2 forgot to use sunblock. Funny, I've got a Disney Trading Pin with Disney characters replacing all the Star Wars characters, plus...I collect like, miniature firgures from Disneyland (3 in a package, you dont' know what you get until you open them, but there are several "series", and Star Wars is one), and have a bunch of the Disney characters as Star Wars roles. Cool stuff.
I'm going to have to go with this one FTW! :cheering (harsh subtitled language)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nny7w_eLIT0&feature=player_embedded# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nny7w_eLIT0&feature=player_embedded#)
Quote from: Bryancd on September 03, 2011, 11:40:22 AM
I'm going to have to go with this one FTW! :cheering (harsh subtitled language)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nny7w_eLIT0&feature=player_embedded# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nny7w_eLIT0&feature=player_embedded#)
Hahahaha!!!!
I think that video sums up the rage over the internets ;)
King
Ok. I've skimmed through eps 4 and 5 and watched ROTJ.
That "no!" made my heart sink. Partly because it changes the scene so much and partly because it's not very well done at all. You can tell it wasn't recorded for that scene.
I'm not going to rehash my opinions on these changes again as there doesnt seem to be much interest in discussing them here but I thought I'd just put that comment in now I've seen it in the context of the movie.
That Hitler video is awesome. I love the way they've used that scene from "Inglourious Basterds" over and over for things like this.
P.S. Dan - you have the Blu-Ray discs already??!?
Quote from: Rico on September 03, 2011, 01:16:48 PM
That Hitler video is awesome. I love the way they've used that scene from "Inglourious Basterds" over and over for things like this.
P.S. Dan - you have the Blu-Ray discs already??!?
Nope, I don't own a blu-ray player so I watched them via other means.
No, please discuss, Dan! I have been participating in threads over on SWAN and Rebelscum!
I could tell by your Facebook post that you were horrified by the "No" addition Dan.
Yes, let's discuss that as it is the 800lb Bantha in the room... :)
I can live with most of the new changes but the "no" is just plain bad.
The changes have just been done so badly, never mind whether you agree with their addition of them or not.
For example:
* The rocks added in front of R2 in ANH disappear a few shots later. If you're going to do it do it properly, it's insulting to the viewer.
* Making the door to Jabba's palace HUGE creates a continuity error later when we see it normal size from the inside. Why do it?
* The Dug walking down the steps in the palace is the same CGI model from AOTC, even wearing the same clothes. Lazy. Also the didn't even bother to him him a shadow.
* The Ewok eyes are ok. But they only did it in a few shots. Most of the time they have their original eyes. LAZY.
Lucasfilm put out a press release saying they were going to fix errors such as badly coloured lightsabers, various glitches and the problems with the audio mix. They fix a couple of lightsaber shots (not the whole scene, just a few shots) the same shots they previewed, nothing else.
I read something interesting, a theory that Lucas makes changes to extend his copyright on the movies because each release contains new unique properties. Interesting.
Quote from: Dangelus on September 03, 2011, 03:26:04 PM
I can live with most of the new changes but the "no" is just plain bad.
The changes have just been done so badly, never mind whether you agree with their addition of them or not.
For example:
* The rocks added in front of R2 in ANH disappear a few shots later. If you're going to do it do it properly, it's insulting to the viewer.
* Making the door to Jabba's palace HUGE creates a continuity error later when we see it normal size from the inside. Why do it?
* The Dug walking down the steps in the palace is the same CGI model from AOTC, even wearing the same clothes. Lazy. Also the didn't even bother to him him a shadow.
* The Ewok eyes are ok. But they only did it in a few shots. Most of the time they have their original eyes. LAZY.
Lucasfilm put out a press release saying they were going to fix errors such as badly coloured lightsabers, various glitches and the problems with the audio mix. They fix a couple of lightsaber shots (not the whole scene, just a few shots) the same shots they previewed, nothing else.
I read something interesting, a theory that Lucas makes changes to extend his copyright on the movies because each release contains new unique properties. Interesting.
1. I agree but will have to see it in it's entirety to see how that plays out. In and of itself, having more hid makes sense but does get ruined if there are continuity errors as you mentioned.
2. True, it's an odd choice.
3. The Dug I have no issue with, having him there makes sense regardless of the character model used.
4. Well, that's a pretty close close up and in fairness to do every Ewok in that matter would have been a herculean task.
5. Will have to see what they actually did with the lightsaber colors.
6. I would have to review US copyright law, however I think he would have 50 years from the creation of ANH before that would become public domain, which is what I think he's most afraid of. That harkens back to the speech you posted previously.
Sounds a bit depressing really.
Quote from: Bryancd on September 03, 2011, 03:32:53 PM
Quote from: Dangelus on September 03, 2011, 03:26:04 PM
I can live with most of the new changes but the "no" is just plain bad.
The changes have just been done so badly, never mind whether you agree with their addition of them or not.
For example:
* The rocks added in front of R2 in ANH disappear a few shots later. If you're going to do it do it properly, it's insulting to the viewer.
* Making the door to Jabba's palace HUGE creates a continuity error later when we see it normal size from the inside. Why do it?
* The Dug walking down the steps in the palace is the same CGI model from AOTC, even wearing the same clothes. Lazy. Also the didn't even bother to him him a shadow.
* The Ewok eyes are ok. But they only did it in a few shots. Most of the time they have their original eyes. LAZY.
Lucasfilm put out a press release saying they were going to fix errors such as badly coloured lightsabers, various glitches and the problems with the audio mix. They fix a couple of lightsaber shots (not the whole scene, just a few shots) the same shots they previewed, nothing else.
I read something interesting, a theory that Lucas makes changes to extend his copyright on the movies because each release contains new unique properties. Interesting.
1. I agree but will have to see it in it's entirety to see how that plays out. In and of itself, having more hid makes sense but does get ruined if there are continuity errors as you mentioned.
2. True, it's an odd choice.
3. The Dug I have no issue with, having him there makes sense regardless of the character model used.
4. Well, that's a pretty close close up and in fairness to do every Ewok in that matter would have been a herculean task.
5. Will have to see what they actually did with the lightsaber colors.
6. I would have to review US copyright law, however I think he would have 50 years from the creation of ANH before that would become public domain, which is what I think he's most afraid of. That harkens back to the speech you posted previously.
It just bugs me that Lucasfilm with a multimillion dollar studio and access to the original film elements can do such a poor technical job and create more continuity errors when a British guy with a home computer can do a superb job.
I cannot recommend enough that every Star Wars fan watches "Star Wars ANH Revisited". It is a masterpiece combining restoration and correction. I just cant wait or him to finish ESB!
Is this Lucasfilm or is this some low-budget college project? I can't tell anymore with the blu ray editions. I saw a clip of the project Dangelus talks about and I thought that was a Lucasfilm deal! I was shocked when he told me it wasn't! What the heck are we paying for then?!
My interest in the blu-rays has officially been killed. I have a DVD set of them already and that quality is very good and its the edition I have no problems with. To get these sounds like an insult to us Star Wars fans. If Lucas is going to do a half assed job of it, then why should we pay $$ for it.
Thanks for letting us know Dan, I no longer regret not pre-ordering the Blu-Ray set.
King
Quote from: KingIsaacLinksr on September 03, 2011, 04:39:47 PM
Is this Lucasfilm or is this some low-budget college project? I can't tell anymore with the blu ray editions. I saw a clip of the project Dangelus talks about and I thought that was a Lucasfilm deal! I was shocked when he told me it wasn't! What the heck are we paying for then?!
My interest in the blu-rays has officially been killed. I have a DVD set of them already and that quality is very good and its the edition I have no problems with. To get these sounds like an insult to us Star Wars fans. If Lucas is going to do a half assed job of it, then why should we pay $$ for it.
Thanks for letting us know Dan, I no longer regret not pre-ordering the Blu-Ray set.
King
I certainly love the Revisited project. :)
Well, I wasn't buying because I didn't like the changes, now that someone has seen it, I'm glad that my fears were confirmed.
Quote from: X on September 03, 2011, 08:43:12 PM
Well, I wasn't buying because I didn't like the changes, now that someone has seen it, I'm glad that my fears were confirmed.
I'm sure all the extra media on this will generate as many casual sales as it has lost through these changes... He won't go hungry. :)
Still ... I'm good. I won't deny others their new new new new new revisions, but I'm speaking with my wallet on this one and saying ... This far, no further. The line must be drawn here!
Quote from: X on September 03, 2011, 10:55:31 PM
Still ... I'm good. I won't deny others their new new new new new revisions, but I'm speaking with my wallet on this one and saying ... This far, no further. The line must be drawn here!
It's funny how there is so much more media coverage this time around compared to 2004 where the changes were pretty substantial. I guess people were expecting more changes but perhaps not THAT change. Lol
Or people are just tired of it all. I watched Tbe original untampeted version last week on DVD I felt so happy and unviolated lol . ;)
Quote from: HawkeyeMeds on September 04, 2011, 03:29:06 AM
Or people are just tired of it all. I watched Tbe original untampeted version last week on DVD I felt so happy and unviolated lol . ;)
I might have to bring you a couple of pressies to the meet up ;)
I am as much interested in the bonus material and deleted scenes as I am in seeing these in high def. I think visually it's going to be outstanding and I don't have a collection of the various documentaries, so it's going to be a ton of new material for me to enjoy. I can brook no argument for or against the changes, but they just aren't that onerous to me and do nothing to diminish my enjoyment of the films.
I guess I will go against the grain and looking forward to this set. I have been trying to keep somewhat spoiler free, so have not dug to deep into the changes or the deleted scenes or extra's. Probably a fanboy with Star Wars, but I doubt I will ever regret getting this set, and since I have multiple versions of Star Wars in different forms, I will always have a version to watch depending on the mood I am in. I guess I am not married to one version of the movie. I gleaned over the tread on some of the changes, and to be honest, they did not bother me. The only really changes in the past that I did not care for was the Han shot first scene being altered, and replacing Boba Fett's voice with Temuera Morrisons voice, as I just preferred the more gravelly voice of the original.
That said, I understand others complaints with the movies being changed, and why they don't want to purchase. I one of the few who actually really liked the prequels, so doesn't bother me the originals were changed to tie in more with the prequels.
Quote from: Bryancd on September 04, 2011, 06:22:30 AM
I am as much interested in the bonus material and deleted scenes as I am in seeing these in high def. I think visually it's going to be outstanding and I don't have a collection of the various documentaries, so it's going to be a ton of new material for me to enjoy. I can brook no argument for or against the changes, but they just aren't that onerous to me and do nothing to diminish my enjoyment of the films.
I've seen a lot of people who aren't too thrilled with the actual movies in this set that are still picking it up for the bonus content and deleted scenes.
Quote from: jedijeff on September 04, 2011, 06:33:25 AM
I guess I will go against the grain and looking forward to this set. I have been trying to keep somewhat spoiler free, so have not dug to deep into the changes or the deleted scenes or extra's. Probably a fanboy with Star Wars, but I doubt I will ever regret getting this set, and since I have multiple versions of Star Wars in different forms, I will always have a version to watch depending on the mood I am in. I guess I am not married to one version of the movie. I gleaned over the tread on some of the changes, and to be honest, they did not bother me. The only really changes in the past that I did not care for was the Han shot first scene being altered, and replacing Boba Fett's voice with Temuera Morrisons voice, as I just preferred the more gravelly voice of the original.
That said, I understand others complaints with the movies being changed, and why they don't want to purchase. I one of the few who actually really liked the prequels, so doesn't bother me the originals were changed to tie in more with the prequels.
That's cool Jeff. I would be interested to know your thoughts after you've had time to watch and digest these new versions.
Nice one Dan lol :D
I have it from a good source that one of the documentaries in the upcoming Blu-Ray set includes:
[spoiler]Footage of a CGI Yoda on Dagobah in scenes from ESB. Something to look forward to in the 3D release perhaps? ;)[/spoiler]
Well, perhaps the "No" we have seen isn't exactly spot on..
http://www.techguide.com.au/menu-news-by-categories/bddvd/600-lucasfilm-confirms-star-wars-blu-ray-audio-changes (http://www.techguide.com.au/menu-news-by-categories/bddvd/600-lucasfilm-confirms-star-wars-blu-ray-audio-changes)
I never liked (nor will I ever) the change in ROTJ of the younger Anakin. Yes it's meant to show that this is the Anakin before he went bad but if that's the case it should be Tbe little boy because from AOTC he was a little shit. Also the older Anakin is the one who redeems himself. I hope they do something with the monster in the Pitt of Jabbas palace because even on the remastered versions it looks odd.
Quote from: Bryancd on September 04, 2011, 04:29:37 PM
Well, perhaps the "No" we have seen isn't exactly spot on..
http://www.techguide.com.au/menu-news-by-categories/bddvd/600-lucasfilm-confirms-star-wars-blu-ray-audio-changes (http://www.techguide.com.au/menu-news-by-categories/bddvd/600-lucasfilm-confirms-star-wars-blu-ray-audio-changes)
The first few YouTube videos of the audio changes were fan made with the blu-ray audio and DVD video to represent the changes because they wanted to get them out ASAP and didn't want to wait to rip the disc and convert etc. I have seen the actual movies and they are pretty spot on.
The video changes that have been leaked you will notice were either static image grabs which is easily done or re-filmed off a tv with a camcorder, again to save time. Again they are spot on.
I believe there are actual BD grabs of these clips on YouTube now.
You know, one of my trivia questions for the live anniversary cast was going to be how many home video versions of "Star Wars" have been released? But I had trouble finding an exact answer. If anyone wants to try their "Google-fu" out and can answer this and list the versions, I'll find some sort of prize for you. :)
P.S. Let's keep it to US releases only - from videotape, to laser disc, to DVD, to Blu-Ray.
Quote from: HawkeyeMeds on September 04, 2011, 11:14:29 PM
I never liked (nor will I ever) the change in ROTJ of the younger Anakin. Yes it's meant to show that this is the Anakin before he went bad but if that's the case it should be Tbe little boy because from AOTC he was a little shit. Also the older Anakin is the one who redeems himself. I hope they do something with the monster in the Pitt of Jabbas palace because even on the remastered versions it looks odd.
Yeah, I heard there might be some chnges to the Sarlac, maybe Dan could chime in on that. I never felt the beak was very intimidating.
Hehehe...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h0EqJjUPbLs&feature=player_embedded (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h0EqJjUPbLs&feature=player_embedded)
I laughed a lot, a guilty laugh mind you =P
King
Quote from: Bryancd on September 05, 2011, 05:56:04 AM
Quote from: HawkeyeMeds on September 04, 2011, 11:14:29 PM
I never liked (nor will I ever) the change in ROTJ of the younger Anakin. Yes it's meant to show that this is the Anakin before he went bad but if that's the case it should be Tbe little boy because from AOTC he was a little shit. Also the older Anakin is the one who redeems himself. I hope they do something with the monster in the Pitt of Jabbas palace because even on the remastered versions it looks odd.
Yeah, I heard there might be some chnges to the Sarlac, maybe Dan could chime in on that. I never felt the beak was very intimidating.
I don't think they changed the Sarlac.
Somebody on the MF.com forum has compiled a list of the changes here:
http://www.millenniumfalcon.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?t=9065&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0 (http://www.millenniumfalcon.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?t=9065&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0)
Be aware there is some strong language used in this thread as you can imagine!
Lol!!
[embed=425,349]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5OAp4VIuTyo[/embed]
I'm conscious that I'm starting to sound like a naysayers here ;) but I've been hearing reports that The Phantom Menace Blu-Ray transfer has had so much digital noise reduction applied to it that certain scenes have the characters looking very waxy...
Just saw this over at Extralife and it made me laugh...
(http://s3-ak.buzzfed.com/static/enhanced/web04/2011/9/2/3/enhanced-buzz-12342-1314948039-34.jpg)
Quote from: Dangelus on September 06, 2011, 08:55:42 AM
I'm conscious that I'm starting to sound like a naysayers here ;)
Starting to? I would say that ship has sailed, mate. ;)
Quote from: Bryancd on September 06, 2011, 12:28:12 PM
Quote from: Dangelus on September 06, 2011, 08:55:42 AM
I'm conscious that I'm starting to sound like a naysayers here ;)
Starting to? I would say that ship has sailed, mate. ;)
LOL.. took the words out of my mouth :)
Quote from: Geekyfanboy on September 06, 2011, 12:40:41 PM
Quote from: Bryancd on September 06, 2011, 12:28:12 PM
Quote from: Dangelus on September 06, 2011, 08:55:42 AM
I'm conscious that I'm starting to sound like a naysayers here ;)
Starting to? I would say that ship has sailed, mate. ;)
LOL.. took the words out of my mouth :)
Haha fair enough. I wouldn't get so annoyed if I didn't love Star Wars so much! :)
CGI Yoda clip from TPM
[embed=425,349]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rUoi-a334uQ[/embed]
http://youtu.be/LF4YGIg-lZA (http://youtu.be/LF4YGIg-lZA)
Funny take on the new additions.
I'm personally not watching any of these video clips - yet. I want to see how they "feel" in the actual movies.
The Yoda stuff looks great!
This is pretty cool.. shows the various changes Star Wars has gone through. Before and After shots. https://picasaweb.google.com/102542760950977079734/ANHRVisualComparison?feat=embedwebsite#
Quote from: Geekyfanboy on September 10, 2011, 11:19:34 PM
This is pretty cool.. shows the various changes Star Wars has gone through. Before and After shots. https://picasaweb.google.com/102542760950977079734/ANHRVisualComparison?feat=embedwebsite#
And wouldn't it be great if THIS was the version of A New Hope we were getting on the Blu-Ray?
This is actually a visual comparison of "Star Wars: Revisited" by AdYwan, my definitive version of ANH. All all done by a British guy at home on his home computer!
I highly recommend this version. :)
That revisited version just rocks.
Another change spotted in A New Hope Blu-Ray:
Alderaan shoots first!
(http://users.content.ytmnd.com/1/f/9/1f934528292ee792540f978ccbd55c72.gif)
:roflmao
LOl nice one Dan. ;)
LOL!
King
hilarous!
I wasn't going to buy the new set, but over the last few days I find myself changing my mind. I might check the price in my local supermarket on the way to work! :r2d2line
Quote from: bevs_plaything on September 11, 2011, 11:05:19 AM
I wasn't going to buy the new set, but over the last few days I find myself changing my mind. I might check the price in my local supermarket on the way to work! :r2d2line
Lol, what's changed your mind?!
Quote from: Dangelus on September 11, 2011, 11:18:15 AM
Quote from: bevs_plaything on September 11, 2011, 11:05:19 AM
I wasn't going to buy the new set, but over the last few days I find myself changing my mind. I might check the price in my local supermarket on the way to work! :r2d2line
Lol, what's changed your mind?!
All the hype on the net, I suppose. I haven't watched my Star Wars DVDs for a while, and investing in the Blu-rays might be the perfect excuse to start watching them again...until Lucas brings out the new, revised version next year! LOL
Quote from: bevs_plaything on September 11, 2011, 11:45:16 AM
Quote from: Dangelus on September 11, 2011, 11:18:15 AM
Quote from: bevs_plaything on September 11, 2011, 11:05:19 AM
I wasn't going to buy the new set, but over the last few days I find myself changing my mind. I might check the price in my local supermarket on the way to work! :r2d2line
Lol, what's changed your mind?!
All the hype on the net, I suppose. I haven't watched my Star Wars DVDs for a while, and investing in the Blu-rays might be the perfect excuse to start watching them again...until Lucas brings out the new, revised version next year! LOL
Nah, in 2 years! ;)
I think they're looking at doing the 3D editions starting with TPM every year so it will be at least six years before the next box set, probably eight years. By then we might even ave a successor to Blu-Ray.
I haven't watched my official DVDs in years either...
I'm must be an elitist purist snob. I only own StarWars on VHS, original trilogy only. Original and special editions, though.
Oh, and the Lego Star Wars complete game for the Wii.
I may get the blurays, just to reduce wear on the old tapes. Unless i can digitize them faster than that...
I got all the movies already on DVD this is £60 on amazon and £68 at HMV. But apart from better picture I am not going to gain anything so I'll leave it.
Quote from: stonut on September 12, 2011, 07:59:38 AM
I got all the movies already on DVD this is £60 on amazon and £68 at HMV. But apart from better picture I am not going to gain anything so I'll leave it.
Not going to gain anything?? how about the hours of extra behind the scenes footage or deleted scenes, unless you don't care about those things..
The box set I have has some deleted scenes and behind the scenes footage. As for the ones that are not on there they will turn up on you tube. I dare say the price will drop in a few months as they tend to. Plus I have got Obi's weird wail to listen or Vader saying nnnnoooo.
The deleted scenes from the original trilogy looks like are pretty good quality mostly. There are some very interesting ones, especially for ROTJ.
Prequel fans may find themselves disappointed in the quality of the deleted scenes from those movies.
I got my set for £60.00 in Tesco today. The woman at the checkout was shocked at the price, 'what's this?' she exclaimed as the price showed up on her till. I am not going to get a chance to examin the set until Wednesday night...
It wasn't just Alderaan that fired first!!
Kirk and crew encounter the Star Wars Blu-Rays... ;)
[embed=425,349]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jTF8I8cHTqQ&sns[/embed]
Amazon just dropped their price another $10 to $79.99
http://www.amazon.com/Star-Wars-Complete-Episodes-Blu-ray/dp/B003ZSJ212/ref=sr_1_1?s=movies-tv&ie=UTF8&qid=1315924684&sr=1-1 (http://www.amazon.com/Star-Wars-Complete-Episodes-Blu-ray/dp/B003ZSJ212/ref=sr_1_1?s=movies-tv&ie=UTF8&qid=1315924684&sr=1-1)
Quote from: Geekyfanboy on September 13, 2011, 07:38:20 AM
Amazon just dropped their price another $10 to $79.99
http://www.amazon.com/Star-Wars-Complete-Episodes-Blu-ray/dp/B003ZSJ212/ref=sr_1_1?s=movies-tv&ie=UTF8&qid=1315924684&sr=1-1 (http://www.amazon.com/Star-Wars-Complete-Episodes-Blu-ray/dp/B003ZSJ212/ref=sr_1_1?s=movies-tv&ie=UTF8&qid=1315924684&sr=1-1)
Well Target's ad this week showed it selling at $79.99. So I don't know why you would pay that plus postage if you have a local Target store.
Kevin
Hmmm that's comparable to our £60 price point. Usually we get ripped off when prices get converted.
Re: Shipping and Target:
Amazon Prime = free shipping, and I don't have to leave the house!
Actually, we order a fair amount of specialty grocery items through amazon. Catching special deals and free shipping is just bonus for us.
Here are some nice screenshots of the deleted scenes in the Blu-Ray set here (http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Star-Wars-coming-to-Blu-Ray-UPDATE-August-30-2011-No-NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO/post/535353/#TopicPost535353)
An interesting one is [spoiler]one of the prequel images of General Grevious clearly shows Darth Maul's face under the mask. Looks like he might of started out as being Maul after all!
(http://img94.imageshack.us/img94/6793/vlcsnap2011091310h35m06.png) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/94/vlcsnap2011091310h35m06.png/)
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Quote from: ricdude on September 13, 2011, 08:29:15 AM
Re: Shipping and Target:
Amazon Prime = free shipping, and I don't have to leave the house!
Actually, we order a fair amount of specialty grocery items through amazon. Catching special deals and free shipping is just bonus for us.
Not to get technical but it's not actually "free" because you have paid $79 to have Amazon Prime. So basically you pre-pay your shipping costs for the year with one set fee. For that service to pay off you would have to make more than 20 purchases a year, which I do not, and so I can't justify the extra expense for what little other advantages it may have to offer. This last year I have only made six purchases from Amazon.
Kevin
Anyone got a good breakdown of what stores have what extra little goodies? I know Best Buy has film cells. What does Target have?? Walmart??? Because I'm just buying mine at the store this time.
Ok, it looks like Target has an 8-pack lithograph set with the Blu-Ray box set. (see below)
And Best Buy has the film cell thing. (see below)
Hmmm,....decisions,....decisions,.....
I heard today on "Star Wars Action News" that Best Buy should have special t-shirts available too.
Oh, and I think this below is the real reason not just behind the prequels, but also behind all these silly changes that were made. :roflmao
George Lucas Strikes Back {HD Trailer} (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_BMgegut3UM#ws)
Soooooo... I need to talk the wife into $80!! Wish me luck!
Quote from: Rico on September 15, 2011, 02:24:07 PM
Oh, and I think this below is the real reason not just behind the prequels, but also behind all these silly changes that were made. :roflmao
George Lucas Strikes Back {HD Trailer} (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_BMgegut3UM#ws)
You know I posted this a while back? Of course I did lol. Still hilarious! :)
The Ft. Worth Symphony was running a special this weekend of half off tickets for any performance and any available seats in the house. We could go and sit ten seats back in the center floor for only $60.00 for the two of us to attend. My wife gave me a choice. Either the concert or the Star Wars blu-rays. Guess which I chose! :)
Kevin
Quote from: WillEagle on September 15, 2011, 06:00:09 PM
Soooooo... I need to talk the wife into $80!! Wish me luck!
Try telling her you feel a great disturbance in the bank account. If that doesn't work, play the cute Ewok card.. tell her that one of them blinks. My wife just loves a furry little creature that blinks. Then if that doesn't work.. simply go to Walmart, or where ever, and drop it in the cart nonchalantly. When the checker rings it up.. exclaim... "I wonder how that got in there? Must be divine intervention!" and if none of that work, simply wave your hand and say" These are the Blu Rays I have been looking for" that will work.
Quote from: WillEagle on September 15, 2011, 06:00:09 PM
Soooooo... I need to talk the wife into $80!! Wish me luck!
No you need to talk your wife OUT of $80 and buy the Blu-Rays! ;)
Quote from: Dangelus on September 15, 2011, 08:47:55 PM
Quote from: Rico on September 15, 2011, 02:24:07 PM
Oh, and I think this below is the real reason not just behind the prequels, but also behind all these silly changes that were made. :roflmao
George Lucas Strikes Back {HD Trailer} (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_BMgegut3UM#ws)
You know I posted this a while back? Of course I did lol. Still hilarious! :)
Actually, I also posted this elsewhere awhile back too. But it just seemed appropriate - again. :)
Quote from: Rico on September 16, 2011, 04:48:56 AM
Quote from: Dangelus on September 15, 2011, 08:47:55 PM
Quote from: Rico on September 15, 2011, 02:24:07 PM
Oh, and I think this below is the real reason not just behind the prequels, but also behind all these silly changes that were made. :roflmao
George Lucas Strikes Back {HD Trailer} (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_BMgegut3UM#ws)
You know I posted this a while back? Of course I did lol. Still hilarious! :)
Actually, I also posted this elsewhere awhile back too. But it just seemed appropriate - again. :)
Oh yes! :) It should be a Blu-Ray extra ;)
A review of the Blu-Ray set by Jamie Benning, the creator of the Star Wars "filmumentaries" Star Wars Begins, Building Empire and Returning To Jedi.
It is a fair and balanced review so be warned ;) There's no "5 out of 5 because it's Star Wars on Blu-Ray" attitude here so think twice before clicking!
http://www.wired.com/geekdad/2011/09/jamie-benning-reviews-the-star-wars-blu-ray-set/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+wiredgeekdad+%28Blog+-+GeekDad%29 (http://www.wired.com/geekdad/2011/09/jamie-benning-reviews-the-star-wars-blu-ray-set/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+wiredgeekdad+%28Blog+-+GeekDad%29)
LOL! Yeah, fair. A fair and balanced review likely should not begin with this:
"For better or worse, the day is finally here – George Lucas's magnum opus is out today on Blu-ray. I'm sure you've all heard by now that they're not the versions we all know and love, and they're not even the versions we've begrudgingly had to live with for the last 10 years."
So we have "begrudgingly" live with STAR WARS for the past 10 years? Not this cowboy, I love the Special Editions. I am so over the fanboy nonesense. Buy them or don't, I really don't care. I plan on enjoying them. This review clearly was predisposed to not like these, how you consider this fair and balanced really escapes me, Dan.
He wants the unaltered original trilogy released, that is clear and that it is where that comes from but the I think the review of the actual discs is pretty fair.
Fair and balanced as in he is critical where he feels it's deserved and praises it where he feels it is deserved.
Did you read it? ;)
Quote from: Bryancd on September 16, 2011, 06:08:02 AM
LOL! Yeah, fair. A fair and balanced review likely should not begin with this:
"For better or worse, the day is finally here – George Lucas's magnum opus is out today on Blu-ray. I'm sure you've all heard by now that they're not the versions we all know and love, and they're not even the versions we've begrudgingly had to live with for the last 10 years."
So we have "begrudgingly" live with STAR WARS for the past 10 years? Not this cowboy, I love the Special Editions. I am so over the fanboy nonesense. Buy them or don't, I really don't care. I plan on enjoying them. This review clearly was predisposed to not like these, how you consider this fair and balanced really escapes me, Dan.
Actually I get the feeling he is saying it's worth getting even if its just for the extra material, a lot of which is excellent.
Yes, I read it and his bias is all over the place. He clearly states he doesn't even like the prequals, so he dislikes 50% of the franchise. Come on, Dan. ::)
Quote from: Dangelus on September 16, 2011, 05:52:31 AM
A review of the Blu-Ray set by Jamie Benning, the creator of the Star Wars "filmumentaries" Star Wars Begins, Building Empire and Returning To Jedi.
It is a fair and balanced review so be warned ;) There's no "5 out of 5 because it's Star Wars on Blu-Ray" attitude here so think twice before clicking!
http://www.wired.com/geekdad/2011/09/jamie-benning-reviews-the-star-wars-blu-ray-set/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+wiredgeekdad+%28Blog+-+GeekDad%29 (http://www.wired.com/geekdad/2011/09/jamie-benning-reviews-the-star-wars-blu-ray-set/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+wiredgeekdad+%28Blog+-+GeekDad%29)
LOL.. yeah if you're liking the review Dan I know I will not.. think I'll skip it.
Quote from: Bryancd on September 16, 2011, 06:08:02 AM
So we have "begrudgingly" live with STAR WARS for the past 10 years? Not this cowboy, I love the Special Editions. I am so over the fanboy nonesense. Buy them or don't, I really don't care. I plan on enjoying them. This review clearly was predisposed to not like these, how you consider this fair and balanced really escapes me, Dan.
You're AWESOME Bryan.. I'm right there with you..
Quote from: Geekyfanboy on September 16, 2011, 07:31:06 AM
Quote from: Bryancd on September 16, 2011, 06:08:02 AM
So we have "begrudgingly" live with STAR WARS for the past 10 years? Not this cowboy, I love the Special Editions. I am so over the fanboy nonesense. Buy them or don't, I really don't care. I plan on enjoying them. This review clearly was predisposed to not like these, how you consider this fair and balanced really escapes me, Dan.
You're AWESOME Bryan.. I'm right there with you..
I have to agree with Bryan, that was anything but balanced and fair. He's about as balanced as Fox News is...
King
Quote from: Bryancd on September 16, 2011, 06:26:39 AM
Yes, I read it and his bias is all over the place. He clearly states he doesn't even like the prequals, so he dislikes 50% of the franchise. Come on, Dan. ::)
What SW fan isn't biased in some way? I dare say you are terribly biased yourself. He gives the set 3.5 out of 5 which I find to be a pretty fair score.
Your not judging the review based to the points he makes about the content of the discs and seem to not like the fact he is criticising it at all.
He has bought the set and is basically saying it's worth it for the extras alone so I just don't get it....
Tim, that's what Bryan WAS saying...that the review was NOT balanced, nor fair...man, kids these days. You have the attention span of....huh? Wait, what was I saying?
Quote from: Dangelus on September 16, 2011, 08:07:49 AM
Quote from: Bryancd on September 16, 2011, 06:26:39 AM
Yes, I read it and his bias is all over the place. He clearly states he doesn't even like the prequals, so he dislikes 50% of the franchise. Come on, Dan. ::)
What SW fan isn't biased in some way? I dare say you are terribly biased yourself. He gives the set 3.5 out of 5 which I find to be a pretty fair score.
Your not judging the review based to the points he makes about the content of the discs and seem to not like the fact he is criticising it at all.
He has bought the set and is basically saying it's worth it for the extras alone so I just don't get it....
I've not read the review, because honestly, why bother? I like Star Wars, and I'll most likely buy the Blu Rays. So, the reviews of people like that, who I don't even know, have zero impact on me. But, Dan is correct about bias. The very nature of BEING a fan indicates that you ARE biased. That aside...Han Shot First!!!
Quote from: QuadShot on September 16, 2011, 08:09:04 AM
Tim, that's what Bryan WAS saying...that the review was NOT balanced, nor fair...man, kids these days. You have the attention span of....huh? Wait, what was I saying?
Uhh....yeah, I got that. The only reason I quoted Kenny is because it was easier ;). I don't have a short attention Span, I'm just lazy =P
King
Al, that is the attitude of the majority of fans. "I like SW, its on blu-ray, I'm buying it." I have ZERO problem with that.
I agree these people don't need to read reviews because they know what they're getting or don't care what they're getting.
Reviews are for people who are dissatisfied with what they've got. :)
Guys, there is no such thing as an unbiased review of an an art form like a movie, book, tv show, etc. What I always tend to do is to listen to the opinions of people that have similar tastes and interests to me. The bottom line for me on this is I'm buying it. I might not like some of the changes, but it's still well worth buying since I'm a fan and the picture and sound quality of this set should be far above anything previously released. That alone makes it worth it - at least for me.
Quote from: Rico on September 16, 2011, 08:29:44 AM
Guys, there is no such thing as an unbiased review of an an art form like a movie, book, tv show, etc. What I always tend to do is to listen to the opinions of people that have similar tastes and interests to me. The bottom line for me on this is I'm buying it. I might not like some of the changes, but it's still well worth buying since I'm a fan and the picture and sound quality of this set should be far above anything previously released. That alone makes it worth it - at least for me.
Exactly. The vast majority of opinion right there.
The review I posted was written by a fan but also a film maker so he is looking at things differently from the casual fan.
Heck, you'd think I posted a militant 1 star review from somebody who was advocating a boycott of the set from the reaction I've been getting! Lol
happily not buying it. It has zero to do with what may have change, but more with zero excitement for the release. That it came out today was a total after thought. Looking back to recent years, I can't remember when I took them all out for another viewing. I guess that I'm pretty much done with the movies at this point in my life. I'm still loving the books, but they are no longer must see for me. What I really find myself craving is the ending of the Fate of the Jedi series. Now that's something that still has the fires stoked for me!
No, I think his review is fine and reflects his own pionions which is fine and as said, what a review is. What I took excpetion to was characterizing this as fair and balanced when he clearly has a predisposition which he is upfront about. It's not the review, Dan, it's what you said that I was calling questionable.
Quote from: Bryancd on September 16, 2011, 09:16:54 AM
No, I think his review is fine and reflects his own pionions which is fine and as said, what a review is. What I took excpetion to was characterizing this as fair and balanced when he clearly has a predisposition which he is upfront about. It's not the review, Dan, it's what you said that I was calling questionable.
Ok I see that. The fair and balanced part was my interpretation of it based a few things.
1) he's honest about what he likes and dislikes.
2) he gives a critique of the actual content and gives reasons.
3) the scoring was better than average and considering he is predisposed to dislike it I think that's pretty good. (And he recommends buying it!!)
4) he's actually bought and watched the majority of the content and doesn't review things he hasn't personally seen.
They are militant people out there carpet bombing Amazon with 1 star reviews before release and others doing the same with 5 star reviews which is just crazy. People need to chill. :)
Here is an example of what I would call an unbalanced review. They point out and even criticise quite a bit, give it breakdown scores of 4.0, 4.0, 4.5, 5.0 but give it an overall score of 5.0!! My maths must be rusty but I don't think that's right.... This sort of review just isn't helpful.
http://www.blu-ray.com/movies/Star-Wars-Blu-ray/14903/#Review (http://www.blu-ray.com/movies/Star-Wars-Blu-ray/14903/#Review)
Take a look at the package and what's inside with me! I open them for the first time today.
Reviewing The Star Wars Blu Ray Package With Rick Moyer (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xUYNDDPOw9E#ws)
Thanks for the cool video review Rick. I just picked up my set on the way home from work at Walmart (ickkk)! But it was the easiest place to go on the way home. Wanted to hit Target, but it's just out of the way on my drive and we are going out to dinner soon. Looking forward to watching some of the cool extras.
I feel like this guy now. ;)
I refuse to buy it, no way, pointless exercise in wasting my hard earned money on these Blue ray discs, POINTLESS i say. Let me say this again I AM NOT BUYING THEM AND DO YOU KNOW WHY? [spoiler]I don't own a Blue Ray player and although I care nothing for the updates i would dearly love to geek out at all the special features and it just sitting there knowing it can't be played would be just torture ha ha :roflmao [/spoiler]
That's a very good reason to boycott these discs Meds! Top man ;)
This is pretty funny, the Shat talking about Star Wars.
Star Trek v Star Wars (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5BYNdTHjstI#ws)
To be clear...which is a challenge right now as we have been wine tasting all afternoon and now enjoying our purchases.. I am not a rabid GL defender. I found many aspect of the prequel lacking. Jar Jar, Battle Droid humor, about 50% of Anakin's entire prortrayal, any scene with Hayden and Natalie designed to promote an emotional response, I have issues with. Han shoots first, a dodgy Jabba, not so hot. But none of threes or any of the new additions, send me into some bizarre apocolyptic fit of fan rage. It just doesn't really alter my love for the conent which I have been enjoying since day one of this franchise. And hating on GL because we or anyone might disagree with the choices made is assinine. It is his story tell, let him tell it.
I picked up the Blu-Rays after work. About half way through A New Hope right now. Looks Amazing. It feels great to be excited to watch a Movie that I watched so many times over 34 years. I must admit I have not kept up on some of the criticism, as some of it seems more like a Axe to grind against George Lucas like Bryan stated, or just the typical negative spin that the internet seems to churn out.
Looking forward to more Star Wars tonight, and getting into some extras, and taking a break to watch the Clone Wars. :)
Watching clone wars right now!
Quote from: Bryancd on September 16, 2011, 05:35:06 PM
To be clear...which is a challenge right now as we have been wine tasting all afternoon and now enjoying our purchases.. I am not a rabid GL defender. I found many aspect of the prequel lacking. Jar Jar, Battle Droid humor, about 50% of Anakin's entire prortrayal, any scene with Hayden and Natalie designed to promote an emotional response, I have issues with. Han shoots first, a dodgy Jabba, not so hot. But none of threes or any of the new additions, send me into some bizarre apocolyptic fit of fan rage. It just doesn't really alter my love for the conent which I have been enjoying since day one of this franchise. And hating on GL because we or anyone might disagree with the choices made is assinine. It is his story tell, let him tell it.
It may shock you that my position isn't that far from yours Bryan.
I am not a purist, in general I like the special editions and the prequels. I'm not a GL hater, I accept that he has every right to do what he does with his property, that he is s business and that he has to maintain and grow the franchise.
I don't mind change, heck I'm a big fan of the Star Wars Revisited project and what they are trying to do.
George Lucas has been changing Star Wars since 1980 so it isn't anything new or shocking that he will continue to do so. It has become accepted.
I don't agree with every change made to the SW saga over the years (you may have noticed!) but I lot have improved or fixed problems. The last couple of generations of changes have created a lot of problems and ignored so many easy fixes and that irritates me. :)
Blu-Ray is the current quality standard and I guess I am disappointed that Lucasfilm didn't give the movies the major overhaul they deserve but instead concentrated on unnecessary tweaks and additions.
I hear you, Dan. I suppose it comes down to I don't mind spending the $ every few year, to be honest. Let him keep coming out with new editions, I will keep paying. Good Lord, it's a dinner out for the cost, who cares? And if $80 iis an issue you have other priorities to get right.
I'm sure I'll own these (or the next set lol) one day :)
I've just read that Greedo no longer shoots first on the Blu-Ray version, he and Han shoot SIMULTANEOUSLY. No joke!
Has anybody noticed this?
God bless you George for keeping us entertained! :)
Dan - the Greedo change/tweak has been altered a little bit more in each edition since the whole thing started years ago. The recent DVD's prior to this set had them shooting "roughly" at the same time. Not that it really matters anymore.
...not that it really matters... Sums it up well for me.
Well Wallmart actually beat Target's price by .03 cents! Woo hoo! Just finished watching The Phantom Menace and I thought the picture quality is quite amazing and the surround sound is mind blowing! My wife and I debated over whether we start with episode one or do we start with episode four and watch them in their original release order. Since we have seen them all so many times already we just decided to watch then in episode order to follow the continuity of the story.
I have to agree with Bryan and others about many things in the prequels are lacking but there are so many things well done that I am forgiving. I don't know if we can get through all six films in a week but we'll try.
Kevin
Quote from: Rico on September 16, 2011, 07:45:50 PM
Dan - the Greedo change/tweak has been altered a little bit more in each edition since the whole thing started years ago. The recent DVD's prior to this set had them shooting "roughly" at the same time. Not that it really matters anymore.
Never really bothered me that much, except "bouncy head Han" did look a bit odd.
For this set Lucasfilm ran tests with the intention of replacing the Yoda puppet from ESB and ROTJ with CGI. It didn't look right and was abandoned. I wonder what the reaction to this would have been?
Quote from: Ktrek on September 16, 2011, 07:48:56 PM
Well Wallmart actually beat Target's price by .03 cents! Woo hoo! Just finished watching The Phantom Menace and I thought the picture quality is quite amazing and the surround sound is mind blowing! My wife and I debated over whether we start with episode one or do we start with episode four and watch them in their original release order. Since we have seen them all so many times already we just decided to watch then in episode order to follow the continuity of the story.
I have to agree with Bryan and others about many things in the prequels are lacking but there are so many things well done that I am forgiving. I don't know if we can get through all six films in a week but we'll try.
Kevin
Sadly one of the problems with trying to watch the films in episode order is the distinct lack of continuity between the trilogies.
I call BS on that. They may have tested it but no way it would have bern changed. It is well known GL loves Frank's work in ESB.
Quote from: Bryancd on September 16, 2011, 07:59:38 PM
I call BS on that. They may have tested it but no way it would have bern changed. It is well known GL loves Frank's work in ESB.
It was over on digital bits. Claims "sources in a position to know..."
Who knows? Lol
I wouldn't be shocked if they did mock-ups for it because ... let's face it ... the puppet won't look that good when it gets the 3D treatment.
Just to add a few thoughts to this mess. ;) I am not a GL hater either. I actually like the prequels, but I do like making fun of them =P. Though for some reason I can still watch them even after many flaws have been pointed out about them. Simply because they still entertain me. I think it also helps that I've been watching the Clone Wars. That series has just deepened the movies by bounds beyond what we've been shown. I for one am glad it is on and hope it sticks around for another 3 years!
I am also not opposing buying GL products. I buy the Clone Wars season passes on iTunes (and renewed for this year). Simply because the entertainment value I've gotten out of the series has been that excellent! I can rematch the episodes several times and just get so much out of it. Heck, just rewatched several of them on my iPad for my vacation (thanks to iCloud).
I'm just severly disappointed by the lack luster job these Blu-rays have been given. I don't think it is asking too much that GL do a better job. The Krayt dragon and Nooooos stand out because the audio sounds so bad. The flaws that have been pointed out at length in this thread should not exist for such a well-known company as Lucasfilm. I mean, if we can find the flaws, why can't Gorge?
Anyway. Just my long 2 cents :)
King
Quote from: KingIsaacLinksr on September 17, 2011, 12:07:52 AM
I'm just severly disappointed by the lack luster job these Blu-rays have been given. I don't think it is asking too much that GL do a better job. The Krayt dragon and Nooooos stand out because the audio sounds so bad. The flaws that have been pointed out at length in this thread should not exist for such a well-known company as Lucasfilm. I mean, if we can find the flaws, why can't Gorge?
Anyway. Just my long 2 cents :)
King
Now Tim, I'll have you know hours upon hours of research was put in to find the correct sound for the dragon call. Then George took a break and watched some James Bond...
[embed=425,349]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r_-vNYtdUOs[/embed]
Decided to have a little fun with all this today and made the cartoon below. Enjoy!
(click to make it bigger) :roflmao
LOL!!
Brilliant!!
Could we have a caption competition with that pic? Lol
Wait, I got one..
JJ- "So wait, what you are saying is when Vader is about to pick up the Emperor he says "Nooo!"? Yeah, right, and pull this finger and it plays Jingle Bells...."
Lol you guys!!! You know on other forums you couldn't have this kind of thread. It would be full of swear words and name calling yet once again TSF forums prove how we can all have different opinions and still want to see Bryan in 3D ;)
I watched A New Hope and part of Empire last night, and really noticed all the little Astromechs all throughout the movies. They really jumped out at me, not sure if it was the clarity of the Blu-Ray that showed up more, or that I collect the Hasbro 3 3/4 ones. But seems at times they are tripping over them, and I could find myself point them out and relating them to the ones I have in my collection.
Also that scene where Luke and Obi-Wan first meet up, and Obi-Wan is talking about his name and not hearing in a long time, not sure if they added a bit to the score, but felt almost magical to me how that scene came across, even though I have seen it countless times over the years.
Going through some of the extras after as well was cool. Not sure if that original concept Landspeeder has been show before, but found it really interesting compared to what it came to be.
Quote from: jedijeff on September 17, 2011, 07:51:03 AM
I watched A New Hope and part of Empire last night, and really noticed all the little Astromechs all throughout the movies. They really jumped out at me, not sure if it was the clarity of the Blu-Ray that showed up more, or that I collect the Hasbro 3 3/4 ones. But seems at times they are tripping over them, and I could find myself point them out and relating them to the ones I have in my collection.
Also that scene where Luke and Obi-Wan first meet up, and Obi-Wan is talking about his name and not hearing in a long time, not sure if they added a bit to the score, but felt almost magical to me how that scene came across, even though I have seen it countless times over the years.
Going through some of the extras after as well was cool. Not sure if that original concept Landspeeder has been show before, but found it really interesting compared to what it came to be.
I'm sure ANH had the whole soundtrack rebuilt so you are probably hearing more detail because of this. What sort of audio setup have you got Jeff?
heehee that was funny! ;D
Rico that picture is brilliant, i cannot see many dedicated Star Wars sites displaying it though. I mean they'd be admitting Trek fans are more savvy lol.
Quote from: Dangelus on September 17, 2011, 08:42:31 AM
Quote from: jedijeff on September 17, 2011, 07:51:03 AM
I watched A New Hope and part of Empire last night, and really noticed all the little Astromechs all throughout the movies. They really jumped out at me, not sure if it was the clarity of the Blu-Ray that showed up more, or that I collect the Hasbro 3 3/4 ones. But seems at times they are tripping over them, and I could find myself point them out and relating them to the ones I have in my collection.
Also that scene where Luke and Obi-Wan first meet up, and Obi-Wan is talking about his name and not hearing in a long time, not sure if they added a bit to the score, but felt almost magical to me how that scene came across, even though I have seen it countless times over the years.
Going through some of the extras after as well was cool. Not sure if that original concept Landspeeder has been show before, but found it really interesting compared to what it came to be.
I'm sure ANH had the whole soundtrack rebuilt so you are probably hearing more detail because of this. What sort of audio setup have you got Jeff?
I have a Dolby Digital/DTS 5.1 setup that I have had for a few years. I will admit, I was listening to it quite loud as the Sub woofer was shaking the floor :) . Even the scene where the Stormtrooper hits his head on the door in the Deathstar Control room, the thud came through pretty loud as well :)
With all this discussion about the Star Wars Blu-rays make me want to upgrade my television and get a blu-ray player.
Holy womp-rat !
Looks like George Lucas has been busy changing or deleting hundreds of scenes for years.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_changes_in_Star_Wars_re-releases (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_changes_in_Star_Wars_re-releases)
tinker tinker tinker lol
There's a lot in that article, I didn't get even halfway through.
I'm with Meds. Boycott the release! (No Blu-Ray player and no TV worth plugging one into)
A lot of people over on the ForceCast, Rebelscum, and StarWars Action News are loving the sets. And so shall I. Enjoy your boycott.. :)
Quote from: Bryancd on September 17, 2011, 08:23:15 PM
A lot of people over on the ForceCast, Rebelscum, and StarWars Action News are loving the sets. And so shall I. Enjoy your boycott.. :)
There are so many things I can say in response to that, but instead I will say ... I'm glad that you're enjoying it.
Exactly my point.
Quote from: Feathers on September 17, 2011, 01:16:27 PM
There's a lot in that article, I didn't get even halfway through.
I'm with Meds. Boycott the release! (No Blu-Ray player and no TV worth plugging one into)
I was thinking the exact same thing. Maybe if I had a Blu-Ray player... and a TV.
I don't care what folks are saying about Star Wars or George or whatever... I'm a Star Wars fan, I will always be a Star Wars fan and these minor changes and fixes won't make me change my mind. Everyone is entitled to their opinions just like I have my own, which really is the only one that counts for me. Now I will admit I'm getting tired of all the Star Wars hating and George bashing but the great thing about that is I can stop reading/listening to it.
I've had the blu-ray for two days now I still haven't unsealed it because I am so busy. I hope to take a few hours tomorrow and pop in the extras DVD and check it out. I'm watching all six months next weekend for my Star Wars Marathon/BBQ/Birthday weekend.
Kenny, Bryan, I agree with you 100%. I've been a fan of George Lucas since I first saw American Graffiti and think he's really quite talented. He's obviously got something, otherwise he wouldn't inspire so many people to debate about him. Say what you will, but one thing you cannot deny is that boy has talent, for his craft and for business. And Kenny, I am devastated that Joyce and I can't make it to your party. It was to be the highlight of my month. Honestly. :(
Quote from: Sheppard on September 17, 2011, 08:45:24 PM
Quote from: Feathers on September 17, 2011, 01:16:27 PM
There's a lot in that article, I didn't get even halfway through.
I'm with Meds. Boycott the release! (No Blu-Ray player and no TV worth plugging one into)
I was thinking the exact same thing. Maybe if I had a Blu-Ray player... and a TV.
Boycott eh? It's like those folks who want to protest the high price of gas here in the US. "Let's show the big oil companies. Don't buy any gas on this day!" Uh huh. That'll show 'em! NOT! Sorry Meds and company, I love ya', but I'm rooting for George on this one.
well I spent a bunch of time today watching the extras on the Blu Ray set. And Andrew and I watched A new Hope. All very excellent. Man, so clear and bright compared to my other copies of it. Very, Very good.
Quote from: Bryancd on September 17, 2011, 08:35:07 PM
Exactly my point.
No, seriously, I'm glad you're enjoying it. I have no interest in seeing it, not for some silly boycott reason or anything like that, but because I've lost interest in the films.
I also don't see any bashing going on around my circle. People either like or don't like the changes and they are voicing why that's the case. The funniest review I've read in a long time was someone questioning GL's stated reason for the changes. Somewhere he said that he was making changes that couldn't be captured in his vision because of the lack of technology to do it. They wondered how the FX department didn't have the tech available for Greedo to shoot first in the original cut. I got a laugh out of that, but it wasn't bashing Gl.
Some other reviewers pointed out that GL didn't direct 5 and 6 and by the very nature of his enhancements was altering the vision of the directors and again that had me pause for a minute. Nor did he write the screenplay for empire and was a co-writer on Return. Granted he does own the franchise and is free to do what he wants, but I can't help but wonder if any other producers or co-writers decided to go behind a director and change a movie, how it would be received and how the directors would feel. I do know that when the long version of Dune was recut, Lynch asked for his name to be taken off the project because it undermined his vision as the director.
In the end, I just have to shrug because I don't have the passion for a spirited debate on the subject. I'm glad that people are finding enjoyment in the movie and I don't fault them for it, but I think my heart is now with the further adventures of the Skywalkers and Solos in the EU. George is going to do what he thinks is best for his franchise and regardless if you agree or not with those changes, those who are protesting the changes the loudest are still going to run out and buy the movie.
I am a fan of star wars, but that doesn't mean that I need to buy every product that gets released to still call myself a fan. Nor does it mean that I have to stay stuck in the universe of the six films. I adore what star wars has become and I was shelling out hard earned money in the lean years when all we got were novels, West End games RPGs, and Tie Fighter and X-Wing PC games.
I'm also happy that people are buying the movies because that might get them interested in the books and generate more EU books that I can devour due to increased demand. Do I prefer when Lucas is more a guiding hand than a leading voice of the franchise? Yes! Every one of my favorite things were done when he was the guiding voice and not the captain of the ship. Still, I don't begrudge him wanting to have a bigger role in shaping the vision of what I feel were the best movies of the franchise.
In the end, we all have our preferences and I've discovered that mine are with the EU, the novels and games are where my passions rage the strongest.
Quote from: QuadShot on September 17, 2011, 09:24:35 PM
Quote from: Sheppard on September 17, 2011, 08:45:24 PM
Quote from: Feathers on September 17, 2011, 01:16:27 PM
There's a lot in that article, I didn't get even halfway through.
I'm with Meds. Boycott the release! (No Blu-Ray player and no TV worth plugging one into)
I was thinking the exact same thing. Maybe if I had a Blu-Ray player... and a TV.
Boycott eh? It's like those folks who want to protest the high price of gas here in the US. "Let's show the big oil companies. Don't buy any gas on this day!" Uh huh. That'll show 'em! NOT! Sorry Meds and company, I love ya', but I'm rooting for George on this one.
Well I'm just joking Al. I'd buy it probably if I had a Blu-Ray player. I don't even have a TV at the moment. I'm a recently graduated poor college student out of a job. I can't afford this stuff.
Frankly my opinion whatever George wants to do with his Star Wars, fine. I don't hate George or Star Wars. I don't really care. I'd prefer the original versions for the most part and I kinda wish he'd stop messing with it all, but I just don't care, it's still Star Wars. And give it a few years and they will probably release a Theatrical Blu-Ray version anyway.
Shep, no worries bud. One thing you'll find here, especial from us "old timers" (no comment from YOU Meds!) is that we can disagree, argue, disagree, debate, and disagree some more, but there's RARELY any hard feelings. We all share a wonderful passion for our geekdom, which is why we're here in the first place. Oh, and just for the record, NEVER take anything I say seriously. I'm what you could call the comic relief here! :) Rock on dude.
Guys, nobody on this forum AFAIK is boycotting this release. The "boycott" phrase came from a joke Meds made and I responded to about not having a Blu-Ray player hence he's not buying it. He put this in spoiler boxes so people may not have seen it.
We are a great community not a bunch of militants.
We have had a few moans and a little banter but it has all been in good taste, nobody is Lucas "bashing" either. We all have different tastes and expectations that's all. We've made a few jokes based around the changes, all in good fun.
I'm thrilled Star Wars is out on Blu-Ray and one day I will pick it up because Im a Star Wars fan. It is what it is, it's here and let's enjoy it! :)
Er guys did you actually read my post? Please read it before you comment. I didn't write I'm boycotting it I said "I refuse to buy it" and then in a spoiler tag I put "because I don't own a blue ray player" humour! Hello.
Quote from: Dangelus on September 17, 2011, 11:55:59 PM
Guys, nobody on this forum AFAIK is boycotting this release. The "boycott" phrase came from a joke Meds made and I responded to about not having a Blu-Ray player hence he's not buying it. He put this in spoiler boxes so people may not have seen it.
We are a great community not a bunch of militants.
We have had a few moans and a little banter but it has all been in good taste, nobody is Lucas "bashing" either. We all have different tastes and expectations that's all. We've made a few jokes based around the changes, all in good fun.
I'm thrilled Star Wars is out on Blu-Ray and one day I will pick it up because Im a Star Wars fan. It is what it is, it's here and let's enjoy it! :)
We're not a bunch of militants??! Awww....I just bought my two Ak-47s I was going to shoot into the air for no reason....*sulk*
King
No, I know you guys are kidding around, I was refering more to the other forum communities with all the wailing and nashing of teeth.
I can't Nash my teeth anymore, I have a shield to wear at night lol. I'm not joking either I really do. Lol
Quote from: HawkeyeMeds on September 18, 2011, 06:27:58 AM
I can't Nash my teeth anymore, I have a shield to wear at night lol. I'm not joking either I really do. Lol
Sexy! ;)
I'll show you in October if you are lucky ;) lol
Quote from: Bryancd on September 18, 2011, 05:39:21 AM
No, I know you guys are kidding around, I was refering more to the other forum communities with all the wailing and nashing of teeth.
Me too! I was referring to the actual boycotts that people are doing round the web.
Yeah? Well, I boycott your boycotting of boycotts! :P
I'll be honest with you, as I always am if I had a blue ray player I would buy these as I have every release and part of me thinks I may as well lol. I don't agree with the constant messing about but I can see why GL does it. As SS said it's his films he can do what he likes. But I also agree with SS people have fond memories of the first editions stick them in with Blue Rays. SS is doing that with ET as he realised he'd made mistake when he messed with his film.
I'm impressed with what I've seen of the extras and packaging ( thanks Rick) I hope though that this is the final instalment.
In response to Dangelus I could not talk my wife OUT of $80! So I thought I would try Rick Moyer's suggestions. The bank account disturbance normally happens on Wed. and Friday when I go to the Comic Shop and then the Bargain Box on Friday. So she is used to that happening. And she went to the store by herself so I couldn't drop the package into the cart. And if my dog looked more like a Ewok rather than a Gremlin that card could have been played. So my last option, before she went to the store, was the hand wave and I said "These are the Discs we are looking for." And the only response I got from that was... "Boy! Don't you be waving your hand at me like that if you like using it to eat!!" And since I like to eat I said, "Sorry, Honey. Could you please get me some cookies!" LOL
So maybe I'll get them for Christmas! :vaderxmas
Quote from: HawkeyeMeds on September 18, 2011, 08:03:58 AM
I'll be honest with you, as I always am if I had a blue ray player I would buy these as I have every release and part of me thinks I may as well lol. I don't agree with the constant messing about but I can see why GL does it. As SS said it's his films he can do what he likes. But I also agree with SS people have fond memories of the first editions stick them in with Blue Rays. SS is doing that with ET as he realised he'd made mistake when he messed with his film.
I'm impressed with what I've seen of the extras and packaging ( thanks Rick) I hope though that this is the final instalment.
Don't forget he's doing a movie a year in 3D soon. So there will be a theatrical release followed by the 3D Blu-Ray once a year then most likely a new box set after all 6 movies have had individual releases.
Plenty of life in the old dog yet! :)
Quote from: WillEagle on September 18, 2011, 08:06:57 AM
In response to Dangelus I could not talk my wife OUT of $80! So I thought I would try Rick Moyer's suggestions. The bank account disturbance normally happens on Wed. and Friday when I go to the Comic Shop and then the Bargain Box on Friday. So she is used to that happening. And she went to the store by herself so I couldn't drop the package into the cart. And if my dog looked more like a Ewok rather than a Gremlin that card could have been played. So my last option, before she went to the store, was the hand wave and I said "These are the Discs we are looking for." And the only response I got from that was... "Boy! Don't you be waving your hand at me like that if you like using it to eat!!" And since I like to eat I said, "Sorry, Honey. Could you please get me some cookies!" LOL
So maybe I'll get them for Christmas! :vaderxmas
Lol I nominate this for Post Of The Day!! :roflmao
Ha ha ha nice try Will lol
Dan a 3D release will see these boards explode lol
I also enjoyed those videos that were posted. Neat to see whats in the package since I won't be seeing it for awhile. And the Shatner video was funny.
And to cheer everyone up,
What if Yoda had survived and went with Luke to Endor? ;)
[spoiler](http://media.threadless.com/subs/big/334418.jpg)[/spoiler]
Thanks for the nomination Dangelus. And I wouldn't buy the 3D because I don't care for it as something I would watch over and over. Don't mind a 3D at the theater a few times but wouldn't want to mess with it at home.
I just got a text message from my brother, he has a HD copy of ANH, original release, he is putting on a DVD and sending to me. That could be our communal copy. :)
Quote from: Bryancd on September 18, 2011, 08:30:05 AM
I just got a text message from my brother, he has a HD copy of ANH, original release, he is putting on a DVD and sending to me. That could be our communal copy. :)
If I'd known you wanted them I've got these:
Harmy's Despecialized Editions in HD
(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-_yvVn8Xxoxw/Te_96eTNK_I/AAAAAAAAAYY/etsvm1hZgN0/s720/Comparison001.JPG)
(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/_m8PSEMCRdts/TdZeIODferI/AAAAAAAAABM/c9HlMjjyRTE/s800/Sn%C3%ADmek1.JPG)
(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-RzgSyQK1ftg/TmUKSBwWw9I/AAAAAAAAA3U/5ss-H_Fj8Ds/s800/Sn%2525C3%2525ADmek1.PNG)
Oh, I didn't realize they had all been done. I wasn't looking for them but thought ANH would be cool to see.
Yep they're pretty good.
I am going to try to introduce my kids to the movies now...I think they are old enough, they were bored to tears the first time I tried years ago. I refuse to start with TPM either, they are going to love the first film first or they aren't watching them at all! They'll be watching my "flawed" 2006 DVDs, and one thing I am sure of, not a single one of my kids will be upset that Obi Wan doesn't sound enough like a Krayt Dragon ;)
Quote from: Jobydrone4of20 on September 19, 2011, 06:53:00 AM
I am going to try to introduce my kids to the movies now...I think they are old enough, they were bored to tears the first time I tried years ago. I refuse to start with TPM either, they are going to love the first film first or they aren't watching them at all! They'll be watching my "flawed" 2006 DVDs, and one thing I am sure of, not a single one of my kids will be upset that Obi Wan doesn't sound enough like a Krayt Dragon ;)
As unfortunate as it might be, with kids I'd say starting with TPM might actually work. It's a much more kid friendly movie then ANH.
Quote from: billybob476 on September 19, 2011, 06:56:47 AM
Quote from: Jobydrone4of20 on September 19, 2011, 06:53:00 AM
I am going to try to introduce my kids to the movies now...I think they are old enough, they were bored to tears the first time I tried years ago. I refuse to start with TPM either, they are going to love the first film first or they aren't watching them at all! They'll be watching my "flawed" 2006 DVDs, and one thing I am sure of, not a single one of my kids will be upset that Obi Wan doesn't sound enough like a Krayt Dragon ;)
As unfortunate as it might be, with kids I'd say starting with TPM might actually work. It's a much more kid friendly movie then ANH.
I know you're right but frankly to heck with that!
Quote from: Jobydrone4of20 on September 19, 2011, 07:06:55 AM
Quote from: billybob476 on September 19, 2011, 06:56:47 AM
Quote from: Jobydrone4of20 on September 19, 2011, 06:53:00 AM
I am going to try to introduce my kids to the movies now...I think they are old enough, they were bored to tears the first time I tried years ago. I refuse to start with TPM either, they are going to love the first film first or they aren't watching them at all! They'll be watching my "flawed" 2006 DVDs, and one thing I am sure of, not a single one of my kids will be upset that Obi Wan doesn't sound enough like a Krayt Dragon ;)
As unfortunate as it might be, with kids I'd say starting with TPM might actually work. It's a much more kid friendly movie then ANH.
I know you're right but frankly to heck with that!
The one thing I learned from raising my demons is that if you make a big deal out of something, they won't. My kids love trek because I watched it with no fanfare. We tried the sitdown for star wars and they hated it. I've noticed that they tend to watch the things that I enjoy yet don't ask them to enjoy with me.
My daughter (who is just two) keeps saying Daddy Doctor Who, now i dont watch it with her for obvious reasons but when she was born I always put on the black and white epsodes as babies like anything that is black and white. Plus she knows the tardis sound and theme music.
I'm toying about putting on ANH i dont think i could handle her enjoying TPM and wanting a Jar jar ;)
Another really interesting article over at AV Club. What a great website that is!
http://www.avclub.com/articles/letting-go-of-star-wars,61965/ (http://www.avclub.com/articles/letting-go-of-star-wars,61965/)
by Keith Phipps September 20, 2011
Assuming Lucasfilm keeps up with the proposed release schedule of one film a year, Star Wars, also known as Star Wars: A New Hope, will return to theaters in 2015 in a new 3-D conversion. I don't think I'll be there, and I say that with more than a little regret. My daughter will be 4 in 2015. I was 4 when I first saw Star Wars, and I wouldn't mind reliving the experience with her. I might still if she asks to go, but I'm not going to drag her. I've tried to hold onto my affection for the Star Wars movies over the years, but I keep losing my grip every time they get re-released with scenes added, effects tweaked, and other changes. I'm not even sure those movies are there anymore.
My complaint is a common one, I know. I'm one of "those," a first-generation fan who grew up watching the movies in their original format and would like to see them that way again, and not as some half-hearted DVD bonus feature designed for the finest televisions of the early '90s. But I don't feel like I'm one of the other sort of "those," the fans sent into a lather by the thought of altering Star Wars at all. I wasn't even particularly upset when the "Special Edition" releases came out in 1997, with Greedo shooting first and that terrible CGI Jabba The Hutt that looked more like a steamrolled slug than the creature from Return Of The Jedi. I didn't love the changes, but I, maybe foolishly in retrospect, didn't expect these new versions to supplant the old.
After all, how could they? A couple of generations grew up watching the original versions. We knew every moment of them. I write about movies all the time, and I feel like I can safely go back and offer an honest assessment of the films I loved as a kid, with the exception of the first three Star Wars films. I remember Nathan Rabin, never much of a fan of the series, reporting back from a viewing of Star Wars with complaints about its cheesy acting and less-than-compelling story. I suspect he's right, but I honestly can't see what he's talking about. I don't see Mark Hamill, a young actor straining at the far reaches of his ability. I just see Luke Skywalker.
Yet the movies I grew up with have pretty much been put in a vault. The last time I watched the Star Wars films was in 2004, when they first appeared on DVD, and watching the special editions, which had even more changes, felt a lot more jarring than before. I felt myself coasting along, getting swept up in the action like before, and then one of the alterations would serve as a speed bump. "Wait, that's not the hologram of the Emperor that's in Empire. That's Ian McDiarmid, the guy who played the Emperor in Jedi and the prequels. And what's Hayden Christensen doing next to Obi-Wan Kenobi and Yoda at the end?" Reports of even more changes made to the Blu-ray editions—blinking Ewoks and such—lead me to believe that I'd be even more frustrated with the new versions. (And probably more frustrated still with the alterations sure to be made to the 3-D re-releases, even beyond the dubiousness of converting the films to 3-D.) The changes are jarring not just because they alter the story, but because they drop the technology of the '00s on films of the '70s and '80s. It just feels off, like a classic car outfitted with garish rims.
But I wouldn't mind them at all if they hadn't effectively replaced the versions I grew up watching. My wife and I were shopping for our daughter at Toys"R"Us recently when my eyes drifted to a huge display of Star Wars toys. It had the surely unintended effect of making me sad. The Star Wars marketing machine has gone out of its way to target nostalgic fans like me—nostalgic fans with kids and some money in their pocket to spend on toys, particularly—but the wall of action figures in packaging made to recall the Star Wars figures of my youth made me feel alienated from George Lucas' world, not closer to it. As problems go, I know how frivolous this is. They are, as people say, only movies. But when I was growing up, they felt like so much more. In a recent Entertainment Weekly piece, Darren Franich argues that it might be time for old fans to see Star Wars as a fundamentally silly piece of entertainment from our collective past, best "left behind in our adolescence" like "fruit snacks and Nickelodeon." He may be right, but there are plenty of silly things from my adolescence and before that give me pleasure even now that I've moved on to more sophisticated stuff, and I still like having them around.
I guess I could take extreme measures. On Facebook, Futurama executive producer (and former Onion writer) Dan Vebber wrote about watching a bootleg DVD of the old cut and offered another take on why the tinkering made so many angry:
IMHO, all this fan frustration comes from people who recognize that they will never in their lives produce anything as perfect as the original cut of Star Wars. So we're pissed at Lucas because he was lucky enough to have produced One Perfect Thing, and now he just keeps fraking with it and ruining it. It hurts us as artists to see this happening. The good news is, those of us who are nerdy enough to be pissed off by Lucas's tinkering are also nerdy enough to have a good copy of the original film before he started ruining it. So really, what are we bitching about, exactly? Let him release his piece-of-shit Blu-Rays. I know what Obi Wan's Krayt dragon call is supposed to sound like. My kids will grow up knowing what Obi Wan's Krayt dragon call is supposed to sound like.
I wonder if the next generation really ought to care so much about what a Krayt dragon ought to sound like. There are books, films, and TV shows of my youth that I look forward to sharing with my daughter, but I don't expect her to claim all, or even any, of them as her own. If she doesn't like A Charlie Brown Christmas, I can watch it without her. (But, seriously, how could she not like that?) As for Star Wars, I have no doubt it will still be around, but maybe she won't care about it at all. I kind of hope she doesn't. It's had a good long run. She should have her own imagination-colonizing pop culture. I hope she loves it as much as I loved Star Wars, and that she gets to hold onto it all her life.
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There's a lot in that article, I didn't get even halfway through.
I'm with Meds. Boycott the release! (No Blu-Ray player and no TV worth plugging one into)
I was thinking the exact same thing. Maybe if I had a Blu-Ray player... and a TV.
Boycott eh? It's like those folks who want to protest the high price of gas here in the US. "Let's show the big oil companies. Don't buy any gas on this day!" Uh huh. That'll show 'em! NOT! Sorry Meds and company, I love ya', but I'm rooting for George on this one.
Al, you miss my point! I don't own a blu-ray player or an HD TV! What would I do with these discs???
*Edit* OK, never mind. I just realised that the two further pages of posts I hadn't read covers this point admirably.