Source: Entertainment Weekly
December 11th, 2008
There are some big changes in store for Heroes in the near future, including one pivotal new character. According to Entertainment Weekly, John Glover has been cast as Sylar's father in Heroes.
Glover, who has villain-dad experience from playing Lex Luthor's father in Smallville, is said to appear towards the end of the series' next volume, which is entitled "Fugitives."
"When Sylar meets his father, he's going to see a path ahead of him that he doesn't want to take," reveals a Heroes insider. "He has a lot more in common with his father than he realized."
Entertainment Weekly also caught up with Bryan Fuller, who is returning to the series after his creation Pushing Daisies was cancelled. Fuller was a consulting producer and writer in the show's phenomenally-successful first season, and he will be re-joining the series in Episode 19 of this season. Here's some of what Fuller had to say about the new "Fugitives" volume, which will debut on February 2.
It really is a fresh start. All of the characters are back in their real lives. You see Peter as a paramedic. Claire is looking for colleges. We get away from the world of formulas and quasi-magic.
Yes. Episodes 14, 15 and 16 are amazing. The whole "Fugitives" arc starts out very strongly, and then it gets a little dense in the middle in terms of the mythology. So I came in right at the point where everybody was realizing, "Oh, we're getting too dense here and we need to put faces on stories because there is no face to a formula; there is no face to saving the world." So it's turning this big ship back into a character stream, and everyone on the writing staff shares that desire. We need to get back into a character place, because that's where this story started: Very clean, superhero metaphors to everyday life. That's the path that we're taking. But it is a big ship so it's going to take a little while to turn it.
"Heroes" Gets a Reboot
January 16, 2009 by Michael Hickerson || Category: TV
If you've been driven away by the past season and a half of "Heroes," creator Tim Kring wants you to come back when the show comes back later this year. Kring recently told TV Guide that the next installment of NBC's series "Fugitives" will serve as a reboot for the struggling series and it designed to win back fans who turned away and to draw in new fans.
"This volume starts us pretty much from scratch," Kring said. "There is almost nothing that the audience needs to know from the previous volume in order to follow the storyline."
The series, once a hit for NBC, has struggled creatively and in the ratings the past season and a half. It has struggled so much that NBC didn't give the series an early renewal vote of confidence earlier this week. Several other shows including "30 Rock" and "The Office" were awarded new seasons.
Angela Bromstad, NBC's president of primetime entertainment, said Thursday that the show was "very secure."
Bromstad said she's talked with Kring about whether the show has strayed too far from it's original focus: ordinary people dealing with extraordinary powers.
"They may have taken on too much in terms of characters and multiple storylines," she said.
http://www.sliceofscifi.com/2009/01/16/heroes-gets-a-reboot/ (http://www.sliceofscifi.com/2009/01/16/heroes-gets-a-reboot/)
Let's hope they can pull it out the bag. I really enjoyed last season so I don't understand why it lost so many viewers. Did they change the broadcast time slot or day over there?
Quote from: Dangelus on January 19, 2009, 11:22:04 PM
Let's hope they can pull it out the bag. I really enjoyed last season so I don't understand why it lost so many viewers. Did they change the broadcast time slot or day over there?
I'm with you Dan.. I've enjoyed every episode of Heroes..it's hasn't changed time slots or day, so I can't explain it.. but maybe someone who hasn't liked it as much the past few years can explain why it's lost viewers.
I'm still of the opinion that "Heroes" is really not a mainstream TV series. The first season for some reason captured a lot of viewers. But now over the next couple of years it's settled into having the audience that really enjoys this type of show. People like us. So due to the viewer fall out they keep thinking the show is broken. Frankly, I think it's still pretty interesting and solid. I've pretty much enjoyed it - even last season. A few things I'm not super happy with, but overall it's a great deal of fun to watch and talk about. I just hope they don't change it into something the loyal, core audience won't like.
Quote from: Rico on January 20, 2009, 04:58:37 AM
I'm still of the opinion that "Heroes" is really not a mainstream TV series. The first season for some reason captured a lot of viewers. But now over the next couple of years it's settled into having the audience that really enjoys this type of show. People like us. So due to the viewer fall out they keep thinking the show is broken. Frankly, I think it's still pretty interesting and solid. I've pretty much enjoyed it - even last season. A few things I'm not super happy with, but overall it's a great deal of fun to watch and talk about. I just hope they don't change it into something the loyal, core audience won't like.
Good point. I remember back before 'Heroes' started and it was always being compared to 'Lost'. Perhaps that had an influence on the first season viewing audience?
Hmmm, I haven't had a problem with it either...except following it occasionally but that's been due to distractions at home and not the broadcast story.
Reboot could be bad. I hope they don't damage it too much.
Well Heroes is back.. I liked tonights episode. Wasn't an OMG episode but I like the direction they are taking. I look forward to seeing where it goes.. but the last scene I turned to Harry and said.. oh look it's "Lost".
Okay I understand that they stripped Peter and Hiro of their powers to time travel because it's very hard on plots, but last night really annoyed me. I don't like how they changed the way some powers work. It annoys me. They wrote it like that then they want a reset?
I'm not liking the direction of this show much anymore. I didn't like how Nathan went from good guy to bad guy so quickly and with very little reason in the last group of episodes. I have no idea of the point of it all right now. And Sylar has become about the only interesting one on the show - and he isn't even a hero. I can't understand at all why HRG is going along with all this? Since when does he track and hunt down heroes? Even his own daughter??
I think the big problem for me is the show is a struggle to watch. The writing is chaotic and inconsistent and not nearly as good as it was early on. The structure is all over the place. And frankly, it just isn't much fun. I hate to say it, but the show is really turning me off in it's current state.
I gave up halfway through last nights episode to go to bed, although I recorded it and will finish it today. I was a bit lost as to why Hero and Peter had no powers and thought it was all very pedestrian and dull.
Quote from: Bryancd on February 03, 2009, 05:03:43 AM
I gave up halfway through last nights episode to go to bed, although I recorded it and will finish it today. I was a bit lost as to why Hero and Peter had no powers and thought it was all very pedestrian and dull.
Hiro never recovered his powers after they were stolen and well Peter got his back but seems to have been neutered in the process.
Quote from: Rico on February 03, 2009, 04:40:34 AM
I'm not liking the direction of this show much anymore. I didn't like how Nathan went from good guy to bad guy so quickly and with very little reason in the last group of episodes. I have no idea of the point of it all right now. And Sylar has become about the only interesting one on the show - and he isn't even a hero. I can't understand at all why HRG is going along with all this? Since when does he track and hunt down heroes? Even his own daughter??
I think the big problem for me is the show is a struggle to watch. The writing is chaotic and inconsistent and not nearly as good as it was early on. The structure is all over the place. And frankly, it just isn't much fun. I hate to say it, but the show is really turning me off in it's current state.
I actually find Nathan's actions totally believable. Given his track record with each season, he's never been a good guy. Saving your brother from a bomb doesn't negate that you were for nuking a city for the greater good. Nathan will do with Nathan thinks is best and there is little to sway him from his course. I'm more upset about them robbing Peter and Hiro of a huge part of themselves.
I guess I just maybe have never understood Nathan. The things he seems to believe in make little sense to me. Nuking a city? Arresting people that he has worked along side with?? All for the greater good? What good is that? Again, I don't see the motivation. Especially considering how opposed he was to his father.
As far as the powers, well they covered all that in the last story arc. Peter has his basic power back to absorb other abilities. It just seems he hasn't built up a group of powers again yet because he has been laying low. Hiro is another story. I agree, he needs to get his powers back. At least to a degree. He has always been one of my favorites. And how the heck did he get from Japan to New York so quickly after they captured him?
Anyway, as you can tell I'm pretty disappointed in the current direction of things.
Just finished watching...
hmmm not sure what they are trying to do. I suppose it is early days yet.
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Just finished watching...
hmmm not sure what they are trying to do. I suppose it is early days yet.
I assume you've found an alternative way to watch since it's not back on the BBC over hear yet is it?
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Just finished watching...
hmmm not sure what they are trying to do. I suppose it is early days yet.
I assume you've found an alternative way to watch since it's not back on the BBC over hear yet is it?
I've not watched any TV shows that I follow on regular television for a couple of years now. I have Sky TV and I pay my license fee but I prefer 'alternative' ways to watch for convenience . ;)
Quote from: Rico on February 03, 2009, 05:32:09 AM
I guess I just maybe have never understood Nathan. The things he seems to believe in make little sense to me. Nuking a city? Arresting people that he has worked along side with?? All for the greater good? What good is that? Again, I don't see the motivation. Especially considering how opposed he was to his father.
As far as the powers, well they covered all that in the last story arc. Peter has his basic power back to absorb other abilities. It just seems he hasn't built up a group of powers again yet because he has been laying low. Hiro is another story. I agree, he needs to get his powers back. At least to a degree. He has always been one of my favorites. And how the heck did he get from Japan to New York so quickly after they captured him?
Anyway, as you can tell I'm pretty disappointed in the current direction of things.
If you notice carefully, Peter seems to have lost the ability to hold on to powers. After touching the Ice Princess, he lost the super strength. That's what I'm upset about. Does he borrow them or does he steal them until he finds another?
I don't get it either. I don't remember how he his original power back and you're right, it works differently now. Doesn't he collect powers anymore?
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Quote from: Rico on February 03, 2009, 05:32:09 AM
I guess I just maybe have never understood Nathan. The things he seems to believe in make little sense to me. Nuking a city? Arresting people that he has worked along side with?? All for the greater good? What good is that? Again, I don't see the motivation. Especially considering how opposed he was to his father.
As far as the powers, well they covered all that in the last story arc. Peter has his basic power back to absorb other abilities. It just seems he hasn't built up a group of powers again yet because he has been laying low. Hiro is another story. I agree, he needs to get his powers back. At least to a degree. He has always been one of my favorites. And how the heck did he get from Japan to New York so quickly after they captured him?
Anyway, as you can tell I'm pretty disappointed in the current direction of things.
If you notice carefully, Peter seems to have lost the ability to hold on to powers. After touching the Ice Princess, he lost the super strength. That's what I'm upset about. Does he borrow them or does he steal them until he finds another?
Hmmm, I didn't notice that at all. If that is true that is even different than he was when the series started. Seems odd to me.
Peter in the beginning just had to be near someone to pick up their power and then he retained it. His father took that power, Peter then injected himself with the serum and it didn't revive his previous power.. it gave him a new power(this is only from observation) but his new power is taking the power from someone by touch, not sure about the not being able to keep it, or he can only have one power at a time. Still too early to know.
Thanks for clearing that up Kenny. I think so much happened at the tail end of the first half of the season that i lost track a little. Glad you were paying attention! ;D
If that is the case, again it doesn't make sense to me. Why wouldn't the serum just reactivate his original power? They have kind of implied that people have certain "gifts" or powers that just need to be activated in some way (serum, an eclipse, etc.). Anyway, again just seems odd to me.
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If that is the case, again it doesn't make sense to me. Why wouldn't the serum just reactivate his original power? They have kind of implied that people have certain "gifts" or powers that just need to be activated in some way (serum, an eclipse, etc.). Anyway, again just seems odd to me.
It doesn't make sense to me either, which is why I'm not happy. This is also why he's struggling to stay on the plane. If he still had nathan's power, he could just fly and be safe.
I think that the problem is that his powers were normal and he didn't need to touch Nathan to fly them to safety. Then when the show returns, he only has the flying and not the fire powers of the other guy that was in the room with them.
Whatever they decided to do with Peter, it seems clear that they stripped him and Hiro of their all powerful space and time powers, but at the same time, Sylar got to keep all of his powers. I thought, at first, that they were just resetting Peter's abilities to avoid the time travel issues and requiring two people to move in time. Then when the show returns, we have Hiro who is still powerless, but could have gotten some Serum from the wonder twins using their speed and power boost abilities.
I think that they destroyed Hiro and Peter all in one episode and I'm hesitant to see what they screw up next. I'm also upset that they didn't cover what happened to the marines who did get the injections.
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I'm also upset that they didn't cover what happened to the marines who did get the injections.
As far as I recall only one Marine got the injection before they destroyed it all.
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I'm also upset that they didn't cover what happened to the marines who did get the injections.
Only one Marine got the injection.
Nope, we only saw one getting the injection, but a the begining of Duel, Nathan says that there were a dozen marines being injected as he talked to Peter. Maybe it was a throw away line, but I thought it was more of a factual statement.
I have to agree, although I enjoyed the episode, Peter and Hiro are characters that are destroyed. I mean, its simply saddening to see the two most favorite heroes of mine just pretty much removed from their powers and given roles in which they don't fit. They need to rework this before its too late and they lose all the support they have.
King
Quote from: Kinglinksr on February 03, 2009, 02:06:34 PM
I have to agree, although I enjoyed the episode, Peter and Hiro are characters that are destroyed. I mean, its simply saddening to see the two most favorite heroes of mine just pretty much removed from their powers and given roles in which they don't fit. They need to rework this before its too late and they lose all the support they have.
King
Wow It's only been one episode.. who knows what is going on with Peter and Hiro.
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I have to agree, although I enjoyed the episode, Peter and Hiro are characters that are destroyed. I mean, its simply saddening to see the two most favorite heroes of mine just pretty much removed from their powers and given roles in which they don't fit. They need to rework this before its too late and they lose all the support they have.
King
Wow It's only been one episode.. who knows what is going on with Peter and Hiro.
You're right Kenny, it's only one episode, but something about it just didn't sit well with me. I really don't like what happened to Hiro and Peter. While I can surmise the reasons behind it, it still rings a bit forced and lacking. The only capture sequence that seems to ring true for me was the attempt on Sylar. Everyone else on the show seems to have momentary IQ drops during their capture.
I could care less about Peter, but Jamie and I love Hiro and Ando.
Yeah...ok, so I just finished watching the episode. Did I miss something? How is it Claire can now knock a guy out with a kick and board a moving plane through the wheel well like she was John Mclaine from Die Hard? And folks will only get sucked out of an airplane until the cabin pressure equals the outside pressure and they were about 500 feet above the ground towards the end there. WEAK.
Quote from: Bryancd on February 03, 2009, 05:12:59 PM
Yeah...ok, so I just finished watching the episode. Did I miss something? How is it Claire can now knock a guy out with a kick and board a moving plane through the wheel well like she was John Mclaine from Die Hard? And folks will only get sucked out of an airplane until the cabin pressure equals the outside pressure and they were about 500 feet above the ground towards the end there. WEAK.
From your lips to the writer's ears. How is it that we can accept powers, but that whole plane sequence shatters the suspension of disbelief?
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Quote from: Bryancd on February 03, 2009, 05:12:59 PM
Yeah...ok, so I just finished watching the episode. Did I miss something? How is it Claire can now knock a guy out with a kick and board a moving plane through the wheel well like she was John Mclaine from Die Hard? And folks will only get sucked out of an airplane until the cabin pressure equals the outside pressure and they were about 500 feet above the ground towards the end there. WEAK.
From your lips to the writer's ears. How is it that we can accept powers, but that whole plane sequence shatters the suspension of disbelief?
Didn't ruin my suspension of disbelief... I was loving it.. but it seems like I'm the only one here.
Quote from: StarTrekFanatic5 on February 03, 2009, 05:44:24 PM
Didn't ruin my suspension of disbelief... I was loving it.. but it seems like I'm the only one here.
I really tried to love it, but it just wasn't there.
I'm trying to love it too...but there are really big gaps in logic and hopefully it pulls together in the next few. Don't get me wrong, I liked it better than enemies, but the only character I really like is Silar. The rest are kinda meh right now....
King
I just got done watching. Cool episode, great entertainment. Should be interesting to see how everything works out.
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Quote from: Bryancd on February 03, 2009, 05:12:59 PM
Yeah...ok, so I just finished watching the episode. Did I miss something? How is it Claire can now knock a guy out with a kick and board a moving plane through the wheel well like she was John Mclaine from Die Hard? And folks will only get sucked out of an airplane until the cabin pressure equals the outside pressure and they were about 500 feet above the ground towards the end there. WEAK.
From your lips to the writer's ears. How is it that we can accept powers, but that whole plane sequence shatters the suspension of disbelief?
Exactly, it somehow just made me so annoyed as it was such a weak plot /action device that just didn't work. I am ok with their powers, but don't do lame stuff like that, they weren't out in space!
Ok, after watching this week's episode of Heroes...
I'm not thrilled with the whole... let's get revenge on these folks.. been there done that... I mean, we will see if it works, but that isn't the direction I expected the whole thing to go.
Nathan bothers me. His character has turned strange to me, I mean he has always been complicated, but come on. Maybe it will all work out in the end and we will understand why he went psycho.
But...
Sylar Jr.? That was not only an intense plot line.. ouch! But Very interesting. Must be his step brother? Yeah?
I sure love Hero and Ando.
Is super speed girl done for good? I sure hope not. I love her character and think she is a fine actor as well.
Claire is confident, then scared, confident, then scared. What gives? Come on Cheerleader, save the world!
We shall see, we shall see... :yoda
Yeah not sure where it is going now.
They keep killing people off just like that! Or is she? hmmm
I agree, the most interesting plot line at the moment is Sylar and his 'apprentice'... (microwave boy?)
I'll keep on watching!
I have to agree with the above people.
Sylar's storyline is the only intriguing and suspenseful part of the whole series. He at least has been very consistent in the whole heroes series. (Well, ok, if you ignore last season....)
The dialogue from the others is down right annoying. "We need to take revenge to survive and...all that crap". Speed girl killed...wha?... And why is Hiro even here? He's got no point for being here.
Its confusing and annoying to watch. I'll keep watching in hopes they pull through but...to be honest, this is there last chance season to pull it off. I have heavy doubts that if they screw it up like last season that they will be renewed.
King
The writers had written themselves into a corner making their characters too powerful and now they are back-peddling to try to find another way out.
Hiro - great character but too powerful. If you can travel through time you can change anything at any time. Without powers his presence in in question although he is still a great character.
Peter - was too powerful. If you can absorb EVERY power you are exposed to without affecting others what is to stop you? His power has been downgraded to compensate.
Ando - was given a power to explain his presence since Hiro is now powerless. With his boosting power he is useful to the others.
Sylar - back to his original power of 'stealing' powers usually by killing. He seems to have forgotten how to take them without killing (making him a lot like Peter was). Still very powerful but his gaining power has serious consequences that can affect the plot; people have to die.
Maybe they have something amazing up their sleeves... Here's hoping.
A simple fix for Peter would have been one power at a time, but keep them all.
Quote from: Just X on February 10, 2009, 09:29:26 AM
A simple fix for Peter would have been one power at a time.
That's what he does have now. Confirmed in this week's episode. Seems like he can only absorb the power through touch as well which is another downgrade. (Rogue-much?)
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A simple fix for Peter would have been one power at a time.
That's what he does have now. Confirmed in this week's episode. Seems like he can only absorb the power through touch as well which is another downgrade. (Rogue-much?)
Went back and edited my post. meant store them but have to cycle through them.
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A simple fix for Peter would have been one power at a time.
That's what he does have now. Confirmed in this week's episode. Seems like he can only absorb the power through touch as well which is another downgrade. (Rogue-much?)
Went back and edited my post. meant store them but have to cycle through them.
An interesting concept. I'm sure Peter has used more than one power previously in the series but I can't recall any specific scene. I know Sylar does it all the time, usually telekinesis and another power together. Probably would have been too difficult to portray and explain on film.
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Quote from: Just X on February 10, 2009, 09:29:26 AM
A simple fix for Peter would have been one power at a time.
That's what he does have now. Confirmed in this week's episode. Seems like he can only absorb the power through touch as well which is another downgrade. (Rogue-much?)
Went back and edited my post. meant store them but have to cycle through them.
An interesting concept. I'm sure Peter has used more than one power previously in the series but I can't recall any specific scene. I know Sylar does it all the time, usually telekinesis and another power together. Probably would have been too difficult to portray and explain on film.
Not really. A simple " I can only use one power at a time now." would have worked.
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Quote from: Just X on February 10, 2009, 09:29:26 AM
A simple fix for Peter would have been one power at a time.
That's what he does have now. Confirmed in this week's episode. Seems like he can only absorb the power through touch as well which is another downgrade. (Rogue-much?)
Went back and edited my post. meant store them but have to cycle through them.
An interesting concept. I'm sure Peter has used more than one power previously in the series but I can't recall any specific scene. I know Sylar does it all the time, usually telekinesis and another power together. Probably would have been too difficult to portray and explain on film.
Not really. A simple " I can only use one power at a time now." would have worked.
I suppose so. Really that's what they did this week anyway with the 'one power' thing!
I can be dense sometimes! :wacko
Sad to see what happened with Daphne, as I really like her character. Hopefully that is not the last of her. I do admit I miss Hiro's and Peters powers, but can see the reasons behind it. I did like the way Peter escaped, by taking Nathans and flying away.
I'm a little better with it after this week's episode, but I still don't really care for the plot of - hunt them all down because they are such a danger. It still makes little sense to me. But I enjoyed the characters working together a bit more this time out. And Daphne better come back soon. I like her a lot and Matt and her deserve a chance after all they have gone through.
I would join in but it's not back over here yet (that I can see). I hope the BBC haven't dropped it.
Yes, better, but still sort of all over the place. Claire keeps going abck and forth from Super Hero to scared teenager too much and Peter is just going nowhere. I like Sylar and his new sidekick, though!
Well, Peter is forming the "Justice League!" ;)
Quote from: Rico on February 11, 2009, 05:42:19 AM
Well, Peter is forming the "Justice League!" ;)
LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Well, Peter is forming the "Justice League!" ;)
LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I thought it was the X-men? ;)
The first one piece leather suit I see and I am right out!
Not quite a one-piece, but you must of forgotten future, bad-girl Claire.
Last night's was an ok episode. Nothing amazing and frankly a bit predictable. When I watched I kept thinking, how did Hiro and Ando get to India so easily and quickly? No money, frozen accounts, and no teleporting? Although, maybe Nathan and his goon squad couldn't stop people from Japan. There are some pretty big gaps forming. The stuff between HRG and Claire is getting a bit old. Anyway, I'm still enjoying some of the character stuff sometimes, but the spark seems to be missing for me.
I kept thinking...
[spoiler]Sylar is going back for the kid, they aren't going to leave it like that![/spoiler]
It did feel a little predictable.
Quote from: Rico on February 17, 2009, 10:22:30 AM
Last night's was an ok episode. Nothing amazing and frankly a bit predictable. When I watched I kept thinking, how did Hiro and Ando get to India so easily and quickly? No money, frozen accounts, and no teleporting? Although, maybe Nathan and his goon squad couldn't stop people from Japan. There are some pretty big gaps forming. The stuff between HRG and Claire is getting a bit old. Anyway, I'm still enjoying some of the character stuff sometimes, but the spark seems to be missing for me.
I don't think that they can freeze Hiro and Ando's accounts. I'm willing to bet that their secret little operation isn't going to fly in Japan. Perhaps they could mess with Hiro's US holdings, but he would still be far from broke.
I thought the third episode in chapter 4 was the first one to really make it feel like heroes again. The first two didn't seem to hit the mark. I've been watching it online the next day for this chapter since it's running opposite Kyle XY.
Its starting to get better...I suppose. It still has a long way to go before its really, ya know, good. Still, we shall see what happens...
King
I sort of enjoyed this weeks episode, but I do see the plot holes as Rico mentioned. They did track down Hiro in the first episode for this chapter, so I am surprised he would be able to travel still, being Japanese or not. I would think just producing his passport well checking in would notify the task force. Unless he is travelling under an different identity, I would think he would be on some no fly list. I can't recall if Nathan and his group know of Ando's powers, so he might not be on any list, so that might explain why he was able to travel.
I agree as well, that the Claire Noah stuff is feeling a bit tired, been there done that, same story as in the past. I sure hope they don't drag it on to long.
With that all said, I did really like last this weeks episode, though still not sure how the whole trip to India plays into the bigger picture.
This is still better than anything they did in Season 2. I am enjoying the season so far.
Sylar, Hero and Oceans-4 group are the highlight of the show for me.
Clair-bear? Send her up to her room without supper or jam a butterknife at the base of her skull ;D She's becoming very whiney
Quote from: markinro on February 18, 2009, 02:59:46 PM
Sylar, Hero and Oceans-4 group are the highlight of the show for me.
Clair-bear? Send her up to her room without supper or jam a butterknife at the base of her skull ;D She's becoming very whiney
x2, well said!
Starting over here next Monday so it looks like we'll be running 3 or 4 episodes behind you guys this time around.
No "Heroes" comments from the last episode yet? I thought it was ok. Wasn't sure why Parkman had such a hard time getting info from HRG, unless he's been trained to resist mind probes somehow. I kind of like it when they stay focused more on one storyline and play it out.
Haven't watched it yet and since there were no comments I figure I didn't have to get to it right away.. don't think I'll watch it until the weekend.
It was all right...
Yeah, it was just "OK" for me too. I don't know, it's just not as good as I expected.
It was meh. Nothing really new in this episode.
King
It filled in some info that we needed in retrospect. Not my favorite way of finding out things which made it an average episode for me.
I just can't wait until Nathan is outed and has to go underground too. That will be interesting.
That will be interesting. We are only on episode 3 over here so I'm still trying to get my head round what's going on. It's good enough drama but because we were so caught up in what went before we just watch going "but...but..." and pointing at the screen a lot.
I thought this weeks episode was really weak in my opinion. Sylar just seems to be driving around almost aimlessly, and stopping at the cafe and the Revelation just felt blah to me. Claire and her mom helping Alex was lame as well, the whole thing with forging a drivers license for Alex seemed out of date. I am not sure what Licenses are like down in the states, but the one I have now, it is just made different and more secure, and that trick would not work anymore. Last weeks episode just seemed like been there done that with HRG, his character is no longer mysterious like in the first season. Hopefully Heroes picks up, and these are just a few dud episodes, they need to get back to Hiro and Ando.
I think this was kind of a fun one as the past few were so heavy. With them being rounded up and and Daphne getting shot etc. I thought the sneeking the boy out of the house was a nice change of pace.
I enjoyed the episode and I didn't mind Claire sneaking Alex out, but I didn't like how she lied to her mother at the beginning after the whole be truthful with each other theme from two episodes back and I didn't like the whole relationship aspect either. Claire seems to always get herself a new boyfriend each season (I kinda liked the Alex character till then).
I thought Sylar's storyline was a little weak, interesting, but I don't think it worked as well as might have been planned.
Peter and Parkman's was a bit better done in my opinion.
I like the Sylar story - interesting they are not showing his father. Wonder if its someone we know?
I liked this most recent episode quite a bit. I thought it was a nice change of pace and I liked them using Claire's mother for more than just looking upset all the time. The twist at the end with who showed up was cool too. The Sylar stuff was interesting and so was the bit with Peter and Matt. The show is getting a bit stronger again for me.
Although Peter still isn't interesting to me, Claire's mom really rocked this episode! She was terrific!
I guess for me, the I felt after the past few episodes it is getting weaker. I am hoping next week it rebounds with Matt and the bomb. The Sylar story feels like they are just dragging their feet at the moment. I am sure that when he gets to his father it will pickup and be explosive, but right now, each episode of him just looking for his father is just getting boring to me. Also how they neutralized Matt with the alarms had me thinking where did that come from (Maybe that has come up before, and I have forgotten, so will admit that)
As for Claires mom, I guess I just don't care for her character, and when they focus on her, I feel it just brings the show down considerably. How they tricked the agents in getting Alex out of the house seemed really simple in my opinion, and would not expect those agents to fall for that. The forged License is just as bad to me as the complaints about the plane crash at the start of this chapter. It just seemed like they took an easy shortcut, and disregarded how things are done these days. The Claire character seems to have taken a few steps back in my opinion, that is probably what the writers have planned, I guess for me, I am still thinking of Claire from the past few chapters.
I guess those are the reason the last episode did not sit well with me. Not every episode is going to resonate with others, and the earlier episode with Hiro and Ando in India I really enjoyed, though others did not like it as much, so I guess it all evens out :) . I agree, the setup with Matt for next weeks episode has me interested to find what is going to happen, and for that this episode did finish off strong.
I agree, Jeff, that the escape from the house was really amateur hour. The part with the mom that got me was when she was reaching under the counter for the piece ready to pop a cap! I was like, "Go Mom!"
yeah, every family has a gun duct taped to the bottom of their breakfast bar. Like nobody's going to see it. :)
Quote from: moyer777 on March 04, 2009, 08:49:46 AM
yeah, every family has a gun duct taped to the bottom of their breakfast bar. Like nobody's going to see it. :)
You mean you don't?!
shhhh. If the pets find out, I'm in trouble. :)
I agree, there were strong points but I still was left disappointed with the episode. I'm still waiting for it to improve. Silar had his weak episode so I guess every hero needs one this season =\.
King
Who else thought the scene where everything was desaturated but the blood was amazing?
Quote from: AlanP on March 05, 2009, 10:02:26 AM
Who else thought the scene where everything was desaturated but the blood was amazing?
I really loved that and it made story to see how a killer is born
Heroes to Return for Fourth Season
Source: The Hollywood Reporter
March 5, 2009
Despite a ratings decline this season, NBC plans to bring back "Heroes" for a fourth season, said entertainment president Angela Bromstad.
The Hollywood Reporter says the network plans to order 18-20 episodes of the show for next season. That's fewer hours than "Heroes" first or current third season (which each had orders of at least 23 episodes), with season two having been cut short due to the writers strike.
For all its headline-making audience erosion, "Heroes" is still tied with NBC's "The Office" as the network's top-rated series among adults 18-49 this season. "Heroes" also still performs well internationally.
The network has privately discussed setting a series end date for "Heroes," which would followed the creative model used with critical success by ABC's "Lost," SCI FI's "Battlestar Galactica" and FX's "The Shield." But even if NBC ever made such a move, Bromstad said, they wouldn't want to make next season the conclusion.
Quote from: markinro on March 03, 2009, 08:21:34 PM
I like the Sylar story - interesting they are not showing his father. Wonder if its someone we know?
He is but probably not in the way you think. If you want to know:
[spoiler]Sylar's father is to be played by John Glover - Lionel Luthor in Smallville.[/spoiler]
Last nights episode was pretty good. The Syler/Father story was good, the Natahn story was good, and Claire and the PuppetMaster was good and he is still the creepiest character on the show. And the ending was very funny.
Quote from: Bryancd on March 11, 2009, 05:06:08 AM
Last nights episode was pretty good. The Syler/Father story was good, the Natahn story was good, and Claire and the PuppetMaster was good and he is still the creepiest character on the show. And the ending was very funny.
I second that. A much stronger episode.
Am I the only one that's figure out who Rebel is yet? I've had a guess since day one and the most recent episode confirmed it.
Go on, who is it then? ;D
Quote from: Just X on March 11, 2009, 11:54:51 AM
Am I the only one that's figure out who Rebel is yet? I've had a guess since day one and the most recent episode confirmed it.
Yeah, what do you want, a medal? ;)
Quote from: Just X on March 11, 2009, 11:54:51 AM
Am I the only one that's figure out who Rebel is yet? I've had a guess since day one and the most recent episode confirmed it.
I have no idea who that could be....oh wait, I KNOW NOW. Whahahahahahaha Man, talk about thinking it. I do know now who it is.
[spoiler]I can't believe I completely forgot about that person. [/spoiler]
King
I'm just glad Nathan isn't on the wrong side now.
Quote from: Dangelus on March 11, 2009, 12:02:42 PM
Go on, who is it then? ;D
[spoiler]It's Sarah Conner![/spoiler]
since this is only a guess, I think that Micah is Rebel, but I have no proof so it's not really a spoiler. Given who he's contacted and how they are contacted, it only makes sense to me.
That would make the most since to me.
Quote from: Just X on March 11, 2009, 04:56:37 PM
since this is only a guess, I think that Micah is Rebel, but I have no proof so it's not really a spoiler. Given who he's contacted and how they are contacted, it only makes sense to me.
It's a spoiler thread.
You know my guess on rebel is [spoiler]that it's Micah and Molly, possibly others, like Monica comes to mind. But I see it Micah using the machines and Molly doing the locating.[/spoiler]
Quote from: Sheppard on March 11, 2009, 07:03:16 PM
You know my guess on rebel is [spoiler]that it's Micah and Molly, possibly others, like Monica comes to mind. But I see it Micah using the machines and Molly doing the locating.[/spoiler]
Yeah, that's a pretty good guess. =)
King
That makes the most sense and it is the consensus on the Heroes Podcast 10th Wonder, but a lot of people also suspect
[spoiler]that Angela is coordinating and backing them as well[/spoiler]
Isn't there a big difference between speculation and spoilers?
Last night's episode was pretty darn cool and enjoyable I thought. I liked all the various stories and we learned some things too. I was a bit confused by the very start of the episode. Who left the little "gift" for the bad guy chasing all of them? Loved the Ando and Hiro stuff. Also read below...
[spoiler]Does anyone think Tracy might be alive still somehow?[/spoiler]
I agree, it was a great episode, had a lot of great elements in it, Really like that Hiro and Ando are back in the story again, and look like they might have an important role to play.
[spoiler]I am not sure what to think of Tracy, maybe she is still alive as her ice head winked at the end.
Great to see Micha again, no real surprise he was Rebel, like everyone had speculated, but nice to see that they answered that.
I think it was Sylar who left the gift for Danko, he seems like the only one who would be powerful enough to bring puppet man in.And I thought I saw him hiding in Dankos apartment in the previous episode.
Baby Matt Parkman is cool, hopefully he sticks around, his mom I do not care for, so hopefully she is not around for to long.[/spoiler]
Jeff has said pretty much said everything I was going to say and I totally agree! I'll just add:
[spoiler]Scene of the Year has got to be Hiro and Ando's 'ET' moment in the closet! Hilarious![/spoiler]
Did you guys catch the "Life from Lifelessness" line Hiro had? Cool stuff!
Yeah - those scenes with Hero, Ando and kid were hilarious. :roflmao
They had many Star Trek references last night. It was a MUCH better episode. Best one this season IMO!
Did anyone else interpret Tracy's "Keep doing what you're doing, Rebel" as a tip of the hat to "Help me Obi-Wan Kenobi?" It sounded rhythmically the same to me and there was no other reason for her to call him Rebel and Micah 2 seconds later.
What a blegh episode. Just was all over the place imo and very....ehh.
This series still doesn't seem to get better. It gets worse.
Thumbs down.
King
Quote from: Kinglinksr on April 14, 2009, 08:12:25 PM
What a blegh episode. Just was all over the place imo and very....ehh.
This series still doesn't seem to get better. It gets worse.
Thumbs down.
King
But you keep watching...
Quote from: StarTrekFanatic5 on April 14, 2009, 11:40:14 PM
Quote from: Kinglinksr on April 14, 2009, 08:12:25 PM
What a blegh episode. Just was all over the place imo and very....ehh.
This series still doesn't seem to get better. It gets worse.
Thumbs down.
King
But you keep watching...
Which is true. I keep hoping it gets better soon. Starting to think that's a fool's hope. Ah well...:(
King
I liked the most recent episode dealing with Angela and her past and the company. Man, that girl playing here in the past was perfect for her. Anyway, some nice background and I was glad how the episode ended. Time now for taking some action, I say.
Yeah, I liked this past episode as well. The backstory for Angela was very well done and I agree that actress was spot on. It got a bit week towards the end with the storm cellar scene, but otherwise good episode.
That episode was ok, and did provide some back ground on Angela and a few others from the first season. I guess my big issue with it, is that it seemed to come out of no where, no real lead up, I had a tough time in seeing how it really tied in with the present story. It answered a lot of question, which I think were important, but I just did not realize those were question I was thinking about. If Heroes had more of series wide story arc, this would have been a higher impact episode. In a sense this felt a bit like them taking a page from LOST, with the Dharma Initiative. I do hope that more episode like this will come, and they do more at tying all the seasons together and have some longer running story arcs.
[spoiler]The scenes about the socks and Angelas sister were nice, and provided insight into when we first saw Angela in the series after she was caught for Shoplifting[/spoiler]
This episode is next week for us but we've had the lead in episode so I can guess what you're talking about in general.
Do you think this change reflects the return of the Season 1 writer (Brian Fuller?) to the series. It seems like someone's getting a grip on things and trying to take it somewhere at last.
What we've seen this year has got better as it's gone along but is still very much a story of people 'treading water' and trying to stay afloat rather than actually going anywhere. It appears that this may be changing with a bit of back story hopefully being thrown out in order to highlight something in the near future.
Quote from: Feathers on April 15, 2009, 07:45:43 AM
This episode is next week for us but we've had the lead in episode so I can guess what you're talking about in general.
Do you think this change reflects the return of the Season 1 writer (Brian Fuller?) to the series. It seems like someone's getting a grip on things and trying to take it somewhere at last.
What we've seen this year has got better as it's gone along but is still very much a story of people 'treading water' and trying to stay afloat rather than actually going anywhere. It appears that this may be changing with a bit of back story hopefully being thrown out in order to highlight something in the near future.
Yes, I felt for this episode, with even the one episode lead up, it just felt that there would have been a bigger payoff if this would have been part of a longer story arc. Coyote Sands seemed to come up, and if there was maybe more of a search for it, it might have made the story all the more intriguing for me. If they have brought back the writers from season 1, it does show as we are starting to see references from season 1.
I thought the episode was OK but I agree that it felt out of place.
[spoiler]Did they really need to go all the way there and start to dig up bodies? They are fugitives, do they have time for this? Like Peter or Nathan said, "you couldn't have just told us all this in a restaurant?"[/spoiler]
Good back story and a little history which was interesting and pretty good acting on the part of the young guest actors.
I thought this last one was the best so far out of chapter 4.
Wow, this one was a good episode. Nice to see Sylar's powers are starting to have consequences to him.
[spoiler]Who was reminded of Gollum in Lord of the Rings when Sylar was doing all that stuff? I thought that was very cool myself.
Seems Hiro's powers have hit a limit with him bleeding out his nose. It was good to see him finally acknowledge Ando as an equal.
Is Sylar now invincible? Or will his powers consume him? That's the question.
[/spoiler]
Otherwise, Great great episode it definitely turned a corner this time.
King
Just finished watching this episode.
[spoiler]Boy, it's The Sylar show. He's a fantastic character and I love getting more insight on him. Can't wait to see where they are gong with this. I suspect the shape shifting power has altered his DNA so that his previous weakness (the achilles skull) no longer applies. I find it fascinating that the more powerful he gets the 'weaker' he is portrayed. Great writing![/spoiler]
Agreed, great Episode this week.
[spoiler]An odd bit of mercy shown by Sylar towards Michah. One thing to help him get away, another to actually let him stay at his apartment, albeit for a short time. The Hiro - Ando stuff is interesting, interested to see what happens with Hiro. Parkman going back to his ex doesn't do much for me, I never really cared for her in season 1. Would much rather have Daphne still around, hopefully they did not kill her off just so they could start up the Parkman and his Ex story line.[/spoiler]
Interesting episode. I didn't know until the end that next week is already the season finale.
[spoiler]I liked the Hiro and Ando stuff. Maybe super-charging Hiro up by the baby hurt him somehow? The Sylar stuff was cool and he continues to be the most interesting character. Rumor is he may kill a "Hero" next week. We'll see.[/spoiler]
I liked the Nathan stuff from the last two. I hope they give him some time next week to do something cool.
Ok episode...a bit flat.
It may have been a little flat, but it was satisfying. It gave me things to think about and that's what I like most about the show. Story wise, it was slightly lacking, but some of the things they put forward will have my mind working till next week. :P
I didn't think the episode was flat at all. With that much crazy Sylar stuff it sure didn't seem that way to me.
I'm not really sure where this last episode fell because, to me, all the pieces were there but I didn't feel like the story was being built to a fever pitch. I think had Micah escaped from Sylar rather than having been let go it would have been more exciting. Then to have Syler close to replacing the president, etc.
NBC Likely To Trim "Heroes" Order Next Season
April 23, 2009 by Michael Hickerson || Category: TV News
For its third season, NBC's "Heroes" got an 25-episode order. For its fourth season, the episode count is likely to be reduced according to Advertising Age. The series will get an episode order between 18 and 20 episodes for next season.
It appears NBC is following the trend established by other serial dramas like "Lost" and "24." While "24″ can't have a reduced episode count because of the nature of the show, "Lost" has seen a reduction in the episodes produced per season in the past several years. Both shows have been scheduled in an un-interrupted block during the winter and spring seasons, allowing both to gain momentum in the ratings and make each series feel more like an "event" for fans.
"The serialized action-adventure dramas, if you think about 'Lost' and especially '24,' making it once a year makes it that much more special — and it also saves you money if you have fewer episodes," said Shari Ann Brill, senior VP-director of programming at Aegis Group's Carat.
Of course, NBC has other reasons to cut the episode order for "Heroes." While it's still the network's highest rated scripted series, "Heroes" continues to set new lows for viewership with each passing week.
The writers strike and "story-line issues" have contributed to the program's decline, Brill said, but the current story arc "really has picked up a lot. I don't know if the audience has followed."
The current season of "Heroes" wraps up Monday night at 9 p.m. EST on NBC.
Holy crap! Did not see that comming!
Well tonight was interesting! I kind of enjoyed it.
[spoiler]It was a bit of a stretch for me with the whole Sylar is Nathan now... I know that's what they wanted me to think.. but still. Amy and were grossing out when Nathan's throat got slit. YUCK! ewwwwww! I hope Hero will be ok. I like him. Anyway, it was nice to see Warf again. Michael Dorn rocks... and makes a cool president, even thought we haven't seen a whole lof ot him. :) Fun to see Tracy again, and now she is drowning folks? Hmmm, seems all wet to me. :) OH, and Amy speculated that Matt was fooling everyone into seeing Sylar burning up not Nathan. Yes?[/spoiler]
The shapeshifter guy that died when looking like Sylar was the one burning.
The finale was pretty good. But it brought up quite a few questions for me still.
[spoiler]Sylar replacing Nathan I thought was not a great idea. I understood it, but these people should know by now not to let Sylar run around, even if his mind has been altered. Also, wouldn't his healing ability still be in place? I wish we knew why Hiro is having issues with his power - no one else seems to have them. Seems like just another way to control his powerful ability. I really had thought Tracy was still alive all along. And now she is out for revenge. Overall not too bad, but I still feel this show has a lot more potential.[/spoiler]
I thought the finale was interesting as well, but I did not find it as solid as the previous episode.
[spoiler]The Nathan/Sylar thing I am not really sure about. For me, I get that they transferred Nathan into Sylars body, and all his thoughts and memories. But to me, there is soul and his essence and I don't see how they could transfer that, so to me, they don't really have Nathan. I suspect as they alluded to, their are still elements of Sylar buried, and probably next season those will come out, and their will be some conflict between the two. I agree with you Rico, that it is not smart to still have Sylar running around, and in a position of power as well. The Hiro/Ando story is my favorite, and to be honest, I was happy they did not answer what is happening to Hiro. Gives me something to think about during the break, and at least it is not rushed for an explanation[/spoiler]
[spoiler]They did the replacing because Momma Petreli had the dream, so they figured it would work. At this point I don't think that they have an option about Sylar. They don't know how to stop him and they can't kill him. I think she's trying to eat her cake and have it too. (The other way makes no sense). I'm also glad that Tracy is back. Losing Ali each season is getting silly.
As for Hiro. I think they explained it perfectly. His and Peter's powers were stolen. Peter got new powers from an injection. Hiro didn't. Baby touch and go restored Hiro's power, but his body is now rejecting them. If we knew what Papa Petrelli did when he stole their powers, we could figure out something, but that storyline kind of imploded. He shouldn't have been taken out like he was with both Adam and Peter's healing powers.[/spoiler]
One more gripe ... Did they retcon Claire's ability to resurrect the dead with a dose of her blood?
I think Mohinder just wasn't around to suggest that option.
Quote from: Scott on April 28, 2009, 10:51:36 AM
I think Mohinder just wasn't around to suggest that option.
Except the person that benefited from the blood in the past and the person that ordered the treatment were in the room watching and actually sent claire away. It was very poor writing that ignored several seasons of information.
Was anyone else frustrated by:
[spoiler]Finally we get a battle sequence and they pull an old school special effects where you saw nothing. Lame? Sad? Unfortunate? I think so.
Putting Sylar in Nathan's place was a terrible idea. Poor writing in all of that. It also makes Season four fairly predictable.
Who else was disappointed by "President Worf's" lack of dialogue/screen time?
Great to see Tracy is alive and well. And it seems, even more powerful than before.
Is Danko dead? Or will he survive the tranquilizer?
Ando/Hiro's storyline was just kinda bland this time around. Although I guess considering that Season 2 Hiro and Ando had a lot of screen time then....[/spoiler]
All In All, it was OK, but this show could have so much more and they aren't even half way there. I'm incredibly disappointed with the season as a whole. They fell way short of what could have been with bad writing, bad plot design and just random arcs. I also thought Sylar's attempt at power was rather short notice and quickly implemented. Seems to me anyway....
Will season 4 be any better? I have my doubts. Season 3 fell flat on its face and although the last episode was enjoyable to a degree, the rest was rather painful, retcon (way too much) central, and pretty much lack of consistency, is proving to rear its ugly head in this series. Next season really needs to step it up, or it is time to put this show out of its misery.
King
P.S. I know my words sound harsh, but it is time they woke up to the fact that they need to step it up. Or step down. I still enjoy it to a degree, but there could be so much more.
Finished watching the finale...
[spoiler]hmmm... It ended quite well. They hyped that a hero would die but it was a little of an anti-climax really. I'm guessing making Sylar into Nathan may have something to do with Zachary Quinto's schedule next year? ;) Let's see if 'Nathan' can pull off a good Sylar impression next season.
One thing that bugged me about all this shapeshifting... If it was DNA based why would his clothes change as well?
I think season four will have to be make or break.[/spoiler]
Did his clothing change when Sylar shape shifted? I was getting confused by that. Sometimes it seemed like it didn't.
Quote from: Rico on April 29, 2009, 04:53:15 AM
Did his clothing change when Sylar shape shifted? I was getting confused by that. Sometimes it seemed like it didn't.
Yeah it did. Which didn't make sense because the guy that first had the power couldn't do it. The only other answer is that he did pick up that illusion power from the girl a few seasons ago when his powers were not working. The only problem with that is it kind of makes the shapeshifting redundant and unnecessary.
Wasn't there a scene when Danko brought Sylar some other clothes even at one point when he was first shifting?
Quote from: Rico on April 29, 2009, 05:30:52 AM
Wasn't there a scene when Danko brought Sylar some other clothes even at one point when he was first shifting?
Yep. It just doesn't make any sense. They aren't applying past episodes to future ones.
I enjoyed the epsiode well enough. I agree with most of the complaints voiced here, but I am looking forward to a new season. Jamie and I felt this season was much better than the last one.
Yup, a new one will be good. We felt it really tightened up toward the end of this season. It's definately better than the last one.
I just think the director either didn't think that we would notice the clothes changing, or just didn't think about it. I doubt the writers left a note in the script saying that it was imperative that Sylar keep the same clothes.
It's creative license I suppose.
Having to change clothes wouldn't have worked when Sylar was 'channeling' his mother.
Although it would have been amusing! :biggrin